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okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 01:54 PM Feb 2014

Science Explains Why The Rich Are Calling Everyone Nazis

It turns out F. Scott Fitzgerald was right about the very rich: Science confirms that they really are different from you and me.

That difference has been on uncomfortable display lately, with billionaires declaring themselves an oppressed but superheroic minority “being pummeled” and “picked on,” despite their incomes having grown exponentially over the past few decades, leaving the rest of us far behind.

Dacher Keltner, a psychology professor at the University of California-Berkeley, is not surprised by these rich-guy outbursts, which have included offensive comparisons to Nazi persecution. His research shows that large gobs of money often make people drift away from the reality the rest of us know. So if some of those millionaires and billionaires seem to be completely out-of-touch rich guys lacking sympathy for their fellow man, that's because they are.

“Extreme wealth in our lab makes people less compassionate, they care less about the suffering of others, they’re less empathetic,” he told the Huffington Post in an interview. “They tend to think that they have their tons of money because they have a stronger genetic profile. You put that together, and you get jackasses.”

Studies by Keltner and others have shown that rich people are less likely to share money with a partner or feel empathy for starving children. They are more likely to take candy from a baby.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/rich-clueless-science_n_4855098.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

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Science Explains Why The Rich Are Calling Everyone Nazis (Original Post) okaawhatever Feb 2014 OP
And, of course, they think that they are entitled to their wealth question everything Feb 2014 #1
What I find ridiculous Mr.Bill Feb 2014 #23
The ones that really irk me is the ones mikeysnot Feb 2014 #28
Add the Johnsons (of Johnson and Johnson) rwsanders Feb 2014 #31
Seen it mikeysnot Feb 2014 #36
Usually I hear "Dont work harder, work smarter" 7962 Feb 2014 #32
There are office politics too. THAT is what determines who gets what. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #53
The most striking thing to me about Keltner's work Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #2
Some people would have empathy, but... MicaelS Feb 2014 #6
They should simply say no to the tax break they get on capital gains taxes, money they earn JDPriestly Feb 2014 #17
I agree with everything you said. MicaelS Feb 2014 #20
And boy are there PLENTY of stories like what you mention!! Here's one on a smaller scale.. 7962 Feb 2014 #33
Think. Consider. Remember. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #55
Actually. I think there is something nobel about being poor. fasttense Feb 2014 #64
I can understand the thinking. When the very poor become very rich they don't understand how others okaawhatever Feb 2014 #7
This has always been known My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #3
That's how and why the French Revolution started, and succeeded (at the time). Amonester Feb 2014 #26
LOL! 'You put that together, and you get jackasses.' nt freshwest Feb 2014 #4
^^^EXACTLY^^^^ FSogol Feb 2014 #5
I know awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #10
I always wondered how we got so many jackasses. Thanks for the info. lol. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2014 #13
Bestest, most scientific conclusion ever!!! LOL reformist2 Feb 2014 #60
As My Late Father, tea and oranges Feb 2014 #8
Lolz. I like your dad's thinking. nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #9
Thanks okaawhatever! tea and oranges Feb 2014 #22
Same thing happene to my father. He was an FDR Democrat Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #50
OMG, I'm so sorry that happened tea and oranges Feb 2014 #66
Ha ha, so do I. deafskeptic Feb 2014 #11
It's called "projection" VA_Jill Feb 2014 #12
+1 alfredo Feb 2014 #67
FDR knew most rich people were assholes at heart, obama does NOT know this. pansypoo53219 Feb 2014 #14
Obama is one of the very wealthy FuzzyRabbit Feb 2014 #16
FDR was also one of the wealthy. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #19
Your sentiments are exactly right. Your facts are slightly off but well intentioned. RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #21
Me too. As a teenager, I read everything I could find by Eleanor Roosevelt. Wow! She was amazing. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #39
OT, but here's a prophetic Eleanor quote from Jan. 1934 RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #42
So maybe it's not the wealth that determines how someone is, but the compassion Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #54
Franklin married his brains and his heart. FDR was nothing but another parasitic patrician asshole Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #56
Obama is not one of the 1%. Rex Feb 2014 #34
President Obama's salary alone makes him in the top 1% of earners. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #46
He is not part of the .1% of 1% Rex Feb 2014 #48
The 1% do not get paychecks. They do not show up for work, They cannot be fired. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #57
This is silly uponit7771 Feb 2014 #40
that's bs mopinko Feb 2014 #63
I suppose Obama raising the miniumum wage by exec order is your proof? tridim Feb 2014 #30
Oh my, what a bold move! Raising the wage that billionaires have to pay their slaves from Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #58
Agreed. Call me when he creates a maximum wage. nt tomp Feb 2014 #59
Thankfully, there have been a few rich folks who have retained their empathy. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #15
Lewis Black explained it in six epic minutes on the Daily Show: Initech Feb 2014 #18
social darwinism - a perversion of science - RainDog Feb 2014 #24
Some call this the "Just World Fallacy." tclambert Feb 2014 #25
Sounds like being very rich is a disease that we need to eliminate. FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #27
I don't think it Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #29
So redistributing wealth via taxes is healthy for them and society! KittyWampus Feb 2014 #35
In my younger and more vulnerable years, my father gave me some advice DefenseLawyer Feb 2014 #37
Taxes should be raised to help them express their superheroism. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #38
"jackasses" ...sounds like someone is holding back. L0oniX Feb 2014 #41
"You put that together, and you get jackasses." SammyWinstonJack Feb 2014 #43
He, he blackspade Feb 2014 #44
As usual, the Simpsons has already animated reality Number23 Feb 2014 #45
That's great. I stopped watching the Simpsons years ago. Maybe I should start again nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #47
I'm sitting here wondering if they're tastier… MrScorpio Feb 2014 #49
Great article Gothmog Feb 2014 #51
More likely to take candy from a baby? Lunacee_2013 Feb 2014 #52
Here's what I think: The more money you have, the more time you devote to preserving it, making more reformist2 Feb 2014 #61
i'm pretty skeptical of this guy. mopinko Feb 2014 #62
in reading the article, loved the comments from the super rich--like thewilbur ross guy, who claimed niyad Feb 2014 #65

question everything

(47,486 posts)
1. And, of course, they think that they are entitled to their wealth
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:01 PM
Feb 2014

until... they lose it all.

People who are sick or poor have done something wrong or, worse, deserve it.

Mr.Bill

(24,301 posts)
23. What I find ridiculous
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:24 PM
Feb 2014

is that they think they got rich by working harder than everyone else. If hard work always resulted in wealth, agricultural workers would be the 1%.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
28. The ones that really irk me is the ones
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:01 PM
Feb 2014

that inherited their wealth. Didn't earn shit, born in the penthouse feeling entitled to everything.

Kock Bros
Trump
etc...

rwsanders

(2,605 posts)
31. Add the Johnsons (of Johnson and Johnson)
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:31 PM
Feb 2014

And if you can find a copy (netflix had it for a while) and can avoid gagging, watch the documentary "The One Percent" by one of the heirs. The ultra-wealthy are as clueless about real life as the skit someone posted a while back from Monty Python called "upperclass twit of the year"

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
36. Seen it
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:24 PM
Feb 2014

Saw it when it came out directed by Jodi Johnson... yes recommended. The scene at the golf course sticks in my head...

at least one child of privilege saw the light and new this greed was unsustainable.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
32. Usually I hear "Dont work harder, work smarter"
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:33 PM
Feb 2014

Working "hard", to me anyway, has a physical sound to it, which would be like farming as you mention. But I guess if you stay at the office 12 hrs a day it could be said you're working "harder" than the guy who only spends 8....

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. The most striking thing to me about Keltner's work
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:05 PM
Feb 2014

was his finding that the wealth is antecedent to the piggish, Romneyesque worldview. Previously-poor people tend to become entitled assholes when wealth is bestowed upon them. Thus, the wealth carries its own curse.

This whole thing strikes me as counterintuitive; I would have thought that the previously-poor would retain empathy when money is dumped on them.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
6. Some people would have empathy, but...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:18 PM
Feb 2014

What do you do when you have people you have never met claiming that they are a distant relative and you "owe" them a cut? If you give enough away you end up broke, and poor again. And unless you want to be poor and broke again you have to help a few people, and learn to say "Sorry, no" harden your heart against the rest.

Quote from The Wolf of Wall Street:

Let me tell you something. There's no nobility in poverty. I've been a poor man, and I've been a rich man. And I choose rich every fucking time.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. They should simply say no to the tax break they get on capital gains taxes, money they earn
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:06 PM
Feb 2014

on the stock market, money they earn by buying and then using loopholes that working people cannot use, money they keep because they earn it on their money and not from their work. That would help a lot.

There's no nobility in living in wealth and not bearing a share for paying a fair share of your money for the many amenities your enjoy. If you earn 300 times the money that other people earn, you should pay the taxes that the poor who earn so little they can barely have a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs would be paying if you shared a little more.

Sharing is a social skill. A rich person would be ashamed to sit at a table with a hungry poor person, order a huge, expensive meal and then sit and eat it in front of the poor person who is hungry. But he is not ashamed to live in a gated or guarded community, run his business so as to pollute the environment in places like Tennessee, West Virginia, etc. where poorer people live and then enjoy his country estate with its clean air and water.

And keeping the water and air clean requires government regulation or more conscientious management of industrial plants. The rich don't have to live on an average family income of $50,000 per year. They just should pay for the damage they do and to cover the needs of others a bit. It's called sharing. It's called taking responsibility for the damage you cause to others in your pursuit of wealth.

Think about the situation in the West Virginian chemical spill. Here we have Freedom Industries spilling poison into the water of huge numbers of people who are not wealthy. Freedom Industries was responsible whether they were negligent or not. But those who owned the facility from which the poison spilled will hide behind a corporate entity to avoid taking responsibility and paying for the damage they did. Just wait and see. The people who owned Freedom Industry and those who sold them the company shortly before the spill should have to make good the damage they did.

But they will externalize the cost of repairing the damage (assuming it can be repaired) and make the government pay for it. That's what they will do. That is why the "rich" are not so popular nowadays as they were in more innocent times. We can now see clearly and measure the havoc they cause in our world. The havoc they cause and then, like hit-and-run drivers, rush away from.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
20. I agree with everything you said.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:11 PM
Feb 2014

I'm talking about the poor person who suddenly becomes wealthy because they won the Lottery, and becomes fearful they will become poor again. Because that has happened to Lottery winners who pissed all their money away. Sorry, I did not clarify my OP.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
33. And boy are there PLENTY of stories like what you mention!! Here's one on a smaller scale..
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:40 PM
Feb 2014

I personally know a man who won 100K on a scratchoff ticket a few yrs ago. It was the end of September. After taxes, he got 68K. He lived in a trailer park run by another guy I know. There were women and cars at his trailer EVERY day and night. Shortly after New Years, my other friend who runs the park drove in and only saw one car at the guys home. He joked to his wife, "I guess the money ran out, there arent any women there". A week later the guys mom came in to pay his lot rent for him. 68K was gone in just over 3 months. And I live in an area where you can live a pretty decent life on 35k a year.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
55. Think. Consider. Remember.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:07 AM
Feb 2014

The biggest reason most lottery winners end up broke is that the first thing they typically do is to turn to the professional mosey extractors for advice on what they should do with their new-found wealth.

Like Vegas, there is no amount of money in the world that Wall Street can't steal. At least with Vegas you will end up with a good story and one helluva hangover.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
64. Actually. I think there is something nobel about being poor.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:15 AM
Feb 2014

I think that is what Jesus was trying to get at when he said the meek will inherit the earth.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
7. I can understand the thinking. When the very poor become very rich they don't understand how others
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014

can't do the same thing. They fail to see the luck involved and focus more on their hard work and intelligence or education. In their eyes, if everyone worked as hard as they did they wouldn't be poor or homeless.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
3. This has always been known
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:06 PM
Feb 2014

That is why, in fairy tales and folk tales, there is almost no difference between rich men, kings, and monsters. Fairy tales belong to the poor and to the narrative of social justice.
That's what I've been thinking, anyway.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
26. That's how and why the French Revolution started, and succeeded (at the time).
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:41 PM
Feb 2014

Filthy-rich Aristrocrats having no empathy for anyone but other filthy-rich Aristocrats.

Same sh!t, different centuries.

That Revolution was no fairy tale.

Nor was the Romanian Revolution against Caucescu's more recently.

The point is, the super rich never learn anything from the lessons of History.

They always think their excessive money renders them so powerful, nothing bad will ever happen to them.

That's what is so depressing.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
22. Thanks okaawhatever!
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:19 PM
Feb 2014

He was a brilliant man. He & my mother were progressives. I'm forever grateful to have been a pink diaper baby.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
50. Same thing happene to my father. He was an FDR Democrat
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:54 PM
Feb 2014

Then he started his own business and was very successful. Of course then he became a Nixon Republican and died as on... never fails.

tea and oranges

(396 posts)
66. OMG, I'm so sorry that happened
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:31 PM
Feb 2014

Irv made some money through investments, but remained a progressive to the end. The story goes that when I learned to walk he was all smiles, but warned me it was something to never do across a picket line.

I'm glad, as a long time Floridian, he died before the Bush recount or the election of the criminal Rick Scott. It would have concerned him greatly.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
16. Obama is one of the very wealthy
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:04 PM
Feb 2014

and so are nearly all congressmen and senators.

And so we get more billions of government subsidies for the wealthiest and cuts in food stamps and unemployment benefits for the poorest.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. FDR was also one of the wealthy.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:08 PM
Feb 2014

But he had polio as a child and was disabled even while serving as president. He understood how unfair life can be. That may be why he was both rich and compassionate. He married a very compassionate woman too.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
21. Your sentiments are exactly right. Your facts are slightly off but well intentioned.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:16 PM
Feb 2014

Roosevelt didn't get polio until he was nearly 40. But yes, although it doesn't change everyone, I think in Roosevelt's case this dramatic shift in his life opened his eyes to the challenges many people are faced with involuntarily. And you're absolutely correct about Eleanor. She was hugely compassionate and relentless in her pursuit of social justice.

I still think of myself as a Roosevelt Democrat, an Eleanor Roosevelt Democrat.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
42. OT, but here's a prophetic Eleanor quote from Jan. 1934
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:53 PM
Feb 2014

She was speaking before the ninth annual Congress on the Cause and Cure of War:

“How deadly stupid we are that we can study history and live through what we live through, and complacently allow the same causes to put us through the same thing again!”


Later that same year in a speech that was broadcast nationally, she lashed out against racial discrimination. In addition, she personally (and relentlessly) lobbied her husband to publicly endorse the Wagner-Costigan Anti-Lynching Bill. And, of course, most famously, in 1939, when the Daughters of the American Revolution refused to let African-American contralto Marian Anderson perform at Constitution Hall, Eleanor publicly blasted the decision, resigned as a DAR member, and then arranged it so Anderson could give an open-air concert on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. The result was an unforgettable performance and a watershed event in 20th century American civil rights history.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
54. So maybe it's not the wealth that determines how someone is, but the compassion
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:00 PM
Feb 2014

Which is why even poor Republicans are a-holes.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
56. Franklin married his brains and his heart. FDR was nothing but another parasitic patrician asshole
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:15 AM
Feb 2014

until he married Eleanor. She in turn, was a brilliant scion of vast wealth that was constrained by the times she had the misfortune to be born in.

Most of the adulation we pile on Franklin is due to Eleanor.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
34. Obama is not one of the 1%.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:57 PM
Feb 2014

He just takes orders from them. Congress does to...they are NOT part of the Ownership class.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
46. President Obama's salary alone makes him in the top 1% of earners.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:43 PM
Feb 2014

Add to that his net worth, which is in the millions, and he is very comfortably within what is called "the one percent."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
48. He is not part of the .1% of 1%
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:45 PM
Feb 2014

Yes he is rich, but he is not a Koch level rich person. Nor near as powerful. He is not part of the Ownership society, but gets his orders from their proxies.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
57. The 1% do not get paychecks. They do not show up for work, They cannot be fired.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:18 AM
Feb 2014

The President is a vassal doing as he's instructed to do. Deal with it.

mopinko

(70,121 posts)
63. that's bs
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:12 AM
Feb 2014

obama is one of the very wealthy? please. he does have a couple mill from his books, mostly.
why would you say something untrue like that?

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
58. Oh my, what a bold move! Raising the wage that billionaires have to pay their slaves from
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:24 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:11 AM - Edit history (1)

wholly inadequate to almost entirely inadequate, where's my victory drum?

$440 a week. Gross pay before withholding of course! We should all be in the streets forming spontaneous parades to exalt the awesomeness that is our savior and chief!

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
15. Thankfully, there have been a few rich folks who have retained their empathy.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:58 PM
Feb 2014

FDR comes to mind. And that millionaires group that calls for higher taxes on themselves: patrioticmillionaires.org

They are by far the exception to the rule, sadly.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
25. Some call this the "Just World Fallacy."
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:28 PM
Feb 2014

In that, we instinctively think the world has some justice built into it, that karma rewards goodness and punishes badness. So we think someone with wealth must have somehow earned it. Psychology studies show people start to believe this even when a flip of the coin determines who gets the unfair advantages in playing a game of Monopoly.




FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
27. Sounds like being very rich is a disease that we need to eliminate.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:54 PM
Feb 2014

A better tax code might do the trick.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
29. I don't think it
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:12 PM
Feb 2014

is people being very rich that's a disease, but instead, selfishness and contempt for the common good that are the diseases here. The owners of Ben and Jerry are pretty wealthy, but they're not messed up like that. Same thing with Warren Buffet. Even he has come out in favor of higher top taxes.
For the sake of the entire country, we definitely do need to have the tax code changed.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
37. In my younger and more vulnerable years, my father gave me some advice
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:39 PM
Feb 2014

that I've been turning over in my mind ever since.
"Whenever you feel like criticizing anyone," he told me, "just remember that all the people in this world haven't had all the advantages that you've had." -Nick Carraway

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
38. Taxes should be raised to help them express their superheroism.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 07:39 PM
Feb 2014

In fact, I'd suggest erecting a small plaster of paris statue on the mall for each taxpayer who pays $1m in taxes. The statues should be an inch taller for every additional million paid in taxes. Make it a competition!

The statues should look like this;
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Number23

(24,544 posts)
45. As usual, the Simpsons has already animated reality
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:39 PM
Feb 2014
Studies by Keltner and others have shown that rich people are less likely to share money with a partner or feel empathy for starving children. They are more likely to take candy from a baby.


Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
52. More likely to take candy from a baby?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:24 PM
Feb 2014

Really? They're just joking, right?

On edit: I read the other link in the link you posted and apparently, it's true.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/rich-people-_n_1305008.html

The hell is wrong with some people?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
61. Here's what I think: The more money you have, the more time you devote to preserving it, making more
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:29 AM
Feb 2014

By the time you get into the multi-millionaire level, managing your money becomes a 24/7 obsession. Any concern for the poor at that point is likely to be for show - or worse, a way to help you make even more money for your business.

mopinko

(70,121 posts)
62. i'm pretty skeptical of this guy.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:10 AM
Feb 2014

how can you make someone rich in a lab? c'mon. he gets people to act like they are rich, and they act like they think rich people act.
pseudoscience at it's worst, imho.

niyad

(113,336 posts)
65. in reading the article, loved the comments from the super rich--like thewilbur ross guy, who claimed
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:16 AM
Feb 2014

that he "rose from the ghetto"--except that his father was a lawyer and his mother a teacher in suburban new jersey.

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