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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:16 PM Feb 2014

The 'Religious Liberty' Campaign May Be Backfiring For Conservatives

ED KILGORE – FEBRUARY 25, 2014, 6:00 AM EST

In 2012, the conservative “campaign for religious liberty” looked like a smart and possibly winning strategic gambit. Aimed specifically at the Affordable Care Act’s contraception coverage mandate, nestled in a broader claim of institutional and individual exemptions from complex and sometimes unpopular laws and regulations, the campaign linked the Conference of U.S. Catholic Bishops with conservative evangelicals and both to the Republican politicians (including presidential candidate Mitt Romney) who made it a new front in both their anti-Obamacare and “family values” messaging.

Some leading Catholic Democrats (e.g., E.J. Dionne) feared it would become a crucial wedge issue. And it gave a nice First Amendment gloss to unseemly culturally reactionary impulses, while providing mainstream respectability to the “constitutional conservative” claim that church-state separation was a threat to faith itself.

Two years later, the “religious liberty” crusade shows signs of backfiring. This very day, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer may veto a bill just passed by a legislature controlled by her own party that provides a broad exemption from discrimination laws to businesses and individuals claiming compliance violates their beliefs. And more generally, an argument that once distracted from the extremist nature of conservative Christian objections to gay rights and reproductive rights is drawing attention to them in a dangerous way.

This began happening first on the contraception coverage front, where the religious objection to the Obamacare mandate had to be justified (in the Hobby Lobby litigation most notably) by the claim that highly effective contraceptive devices (the IUD) and treatments (Plan B and hormonal “patches”) used by millions of women were in fact “abortifacients.”

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The 'Religious Liberty' Campaign May Be Backfiring For Conservatives (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2014 OP
Of course! Populist_Prole Feb 2014 #1
Good. k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #2
Good God, I just don't get it!!!!!!!!! BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #3
The way I read it, it doesn't even have to be about gays Bandit Feb 2014 #4
they're not defending their religious liberty Skittles Feb 2014 #6
It's true BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #7
I saw a Yahoo headline that this bill is "not favored by gays" Skittles Feb 2014 #9
The Civil Rights Acts of 1964 wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #8
The bakery angle is because some gays wanted a wedding cake and were denied. SharonAnn Feb 2014 #11
Yep -- I've been warning folks about the code phrase, "Religious Liberty" and the USCCB theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #5
Can I (and other Quakers) have the liberty to not pay war taxes? quaker bill Feb 2014 #10

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
1. Of course!
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 05:35 PM
Feb 2014

"Christian Inc" may seem like some strong bulwark to them, but it's as fractured and balkanized as any other bloc; common conservative leaning nothwithstanding.

Around my neck of the woods, protestants despise catholics as much as pagans.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
3. Good God, I just don't get it!!!!!!!!!
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:04 PM
Feb 2014

How on earth could a gay couple coming into your bakery to buy bread or your restaurant to buy a meal do anything to your faith or practice of your religion? This is in fact saying that discrimination can be based on treating people as non-humans. Just by the fact that they are gay or seem gay, you can shun them and throw them out of your business????? Their very person is an offense to you? It's making my brain destruct!!!!!!!!!!!!



I know I'm not saying anything anyone here doesn't already know. I think the backlash against these kinds of things is going to put the fundies back under their rock where they belong. When I was growing up, fundies were shunned for being insane freaks. Reagan gave them their fifteen minutes and they used their allotted time to screech and howl their incoherent ramblings. Now it's time to yank them off the stage. And it won't be soon enough!!!!!

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
4. The way I read it, it doesn't even have to be about gays
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:10 PM
Feb 2014

If you are for abortion or contraception you could be discriminated against just as much as if you were gay. I would bet a mixed race marriage would offend their religion just as much.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
6. they're not defending their religious liberty
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:40 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:31 PM - Edit history (1)

they are defending their right to be racists and bigots

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
9. I saw a Yahoo headline that this bill is "not favored by gays"
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:32 PM
Feb 2014

NEWSFLASH - it is not favored by anyone who isn't a sanctimonious, teabagging piece of SHIT......this bill is not just anti-gay, it is ANTI-AMERICAN

 

wocaonimabi

(187 posts)
8. The Civil Rights Acts of 1964
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 07:56 PM
Feb 2014

They are still pissed off about it.

Read their websites if you want to understand them. They admit to it themselves in any discussion about anyone other than white christians exercising their Constitutional rights and guarantees.

They are a sick and dangerous lot.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
5. Yep -- I've been warning folks about the code phrase, "Religious Liberty" and the USCCB
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 06:24 PM
Feb 2014

All you have to do is visit the website for the USCCB and you can track how this "religious liberty" movement evolved. And as it grew it came to encompass not only anti-choice lobbying, but opposition to ENDA, contraception and the HHS mandate, gay marriage, et al. In the process they hooked up with RW evangelicals and became what they probably thought was an formidable political force. After all, such a coalition worked in places like Uganda, Nigeria and Cameroon. I can only hope that in their zeal they overreached and the backlash will be fierce.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
10. Can I (and other Quakers) have the liberty to not pay war taxes?
Tue Feb 25, 2014, 10:10 PM
Feb 2014

Our conscientious objection to war is already recognized in law. However we cannot refuse to pay war taxes, short of a vow of poverty, which some few have taken.

I think that if they get the religious freedom to discriminate, we should get the freedom to pass on war taxes. This could be just the shot in the arm Quakerism needs.

Personally I hope they get struck down, even if it means I have to continue to pay war taxes.

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