That wound to the back of George Zimmerman's head is still bothering me...

[Bicoastal]

...NOT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK GEORGE ZIMMERMAN DOESN'T FULLY DESERVE TO BE ARRESTED. Let me be perfectly clear about that. Mr. Zimmerman pursued, approached, and soon killed an unarmed kid half his size, yet somehow has not even seen the inside of a jail cell or a courtoom. It's a complete miscarriage of justice no matter how you slice it.

Yet, if the police report is to be believed, there was a noticeable wound on the back of the gunman's head. So if this ever does go to trial, the defense is going to say: how did it get there if Zimmerman was not, at some point, hit from behind? And then they can spin that into a ludicrous but legally admissible self-defense claim. Now, it seems unlikely that Trayvon sucker-punched Zimmerman as he was trying to reenter his van as he claims (mainly because they ended up fighting on the lawn, several yards away from where the driver's side seat of the vehicle would be.) It also apparently wasn't a wound serious enough to receive medical attention. Still the question remains: if it's not a complete and total lie, how did it get there?

Did Zimmerman receive this wound when the two were wrestling on the ground? That would be consistent with some of the witness's accounts, but if so, did it happen via Trayvon's fists or upon impact with the ground? Have you noticed that NO ONE--not the media, not the police, no one--seems to have reported on Trayvon's wounds besides the fatal gunshot that killed him? Even by Zimmerman's account, the two scuffled on the ground before he shot the boy. Yet the only nonlethal injury I can find mentioned anywhere is Zimmerman's bloody nose, head injury, and grass stains. Nothing about Trayvon's other injuries, and I find it hard to believe there weren't any.

From a purely legal standpoint, I crave more details--details that the cops were apparently completely uninterested in providing or perhaps even investigating.

[Logical]

1. It does not matter......

Zimmerman initiated the confrontation so he could not then use deadly force.

You can't pick a fight and then when getting your ass kicked shoot the guy.

[Bicoastal]

6. I'm totally talking out of my ass, because I'm not a lawyer, but...

Could you prove in court that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation as well as the pursuit? This is where I have to ask for help, because I'm not sure what the legal definition of "initiating a confrontation" is. Does following someone in a vehicle qualify?

If I was a defense attorney, the head wound is the first thing I'd point to to back up Zimmerman's story of retreating, then getting hit from behind. So I'm trying to think like the prosecution will...assuming an arrest is made.

[Logical]

12. I agree with you that this is a tough case to prove......

The best witness is dead. And you know Zimmerman is making up the best story he can. And getting plenty of time to do it.

[Honeycombe8]

32. But...I've noticed over the years that many are willing to believe a man accused of rape...

when he says he didn't do it. Plenty of people, incl. in DU, are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, presumption of innocence and all that.

Just sayin'. Who someone chooses to believe sometimes hinges on who he identifies with.

As for myself, I try to remind myself to wait for all the facts. Altho in this case, it doesn't look good for Zimmerman. There seems to be no doubt he was following the kid. That's a big clue as to his frame of mind, IMO.

[Logical]

34. Yes, and he out weighed the kid by 100 pounds. Hard to believe he was worried about his....

life in danger.

[Honeycombe8]

44. People make such a big deal out of weight.

It can matter sometimes, I guess. But it has nothing to do with strength and ability, if you're male. A younger, slimmer male might well be able to beat up a fat older man. He may have more muscle, and would certainly be faster and more agile.

Unfortunately, the poor kid couldn't possibly outrun a bullet.

Well, on 2nd thought, size DOES matter. But I don't think it's the end all that some people make it out to be. If they got into a personal tussle, weight would most certainly matter since it'd be like wrestling. Even a large woman would have a chance to sit on the teen and keep him there.

[Logical]

50. I realize size is not all that matters. But I have trouble believing Zimmerman felt scared.

[Honeycombe8]

64. Me, too. Esp since he was armed. nt

[starroute]

75. Zimmerman is 28

Not exactly an "older man."

[Taverner]

57. It's very likely Zimmerfuck did it to himself

[Broderick]

80. my thought too

[seabeyond]

14. yes. he stated he was following. he was told not to and he did anyways

per the call the kid was making talking to a friend. he was concerned. fearful. of a man following him. that was clearly established. he was trying to hide from him. he was trying to get away from him. at this point, he is intimidated, again, per the call while he was doing this

zimmerman had to get out fo the car and approach the kid

the kid is 140

zimmerman is 250

the kid is afraid. being followed. clueless who the man is. much smaller. has not gotten away from zimmerman. and is now being approached by the man

yes

it can easily be established that zimmerman was the intimidating person.

[rustydog]

33. The 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to not follow the victim

He had no legal right to stop the young man who was walking home.
Being Black in Public is not illegal!
When an armed man comes up to you and challenges you, you can push him away. perhaps he struck the back of his head on a fence...
He did NOT follow in a vehicle, he got out and pursued the victim. The victim's girlfriends version of their cell phone conversation as Zimmerman chased the victim.

Zimmerman committed murder. period.

[Noodleboy13]

7. Exactly.

You can't be aggressive and then claim self-defense.

peace,
Noodleboy

[cthulu2016]

41. Wrong

"Zimmerman initiated the confrontation so he could not then use deadly force."

That is false made up nonsense. The law does care about "confrontation."

You feel that someone is parked in your space. You get into their face about it, verbally. They pull a knife on you and you shoot them.

Normal, uncontroversial self-defense.

The question is who initiated what a reasonable man would view as a threat to his life, not who initiated a confrontation.

[Logical]

47. A Knife? Well hell yes. Wow! But if someone parked in your spot and you get out of the car....

and get into his face about it and he tells you to fuck off and you continue and end up fighting and he has no weapon you better not shoot him. You started the fight. And were stupid!

Try initiating a road rage incident and then using the gun. See what that gets you.

[uppityperson]

69. What if they pull a bag of skittles and a can of iced tea on you? Shoot them?

[Justice wanted]

2. Major Whole in your theory. Two witnesses called 911 reporting Zimmerman's actions. NOT only

that Zimmerman stalked Trayvon as reported by his Girlfriend.

[Bicoastal]

10. So hopefully it doesn't matter who threw the first punch, right?

I'm asking non-sarcastically--not a lawyer.

Because it IS possible that Treyvon hit first, if he felt intimidated enough and Zimmerman was physically menacing him...

[arcane1]

18. My guess: Zimmerman tried to "detain him until police arrived"

and got a well-deserved bloody nose for it

[Justice wanted]

26. WHAT RIGHT DID ZIMMERMAN HAD TO DETAIN HIM?! Trayvon was on a PUBLIC street! I'm tired

of this story getting twisted to make Zimmerman not look like the monster he is-with all the evidence coming out.

[uponit7771]

51. +1, there have been other stories with the premise that these "authorities" have the right

...to detain people

[csziggy]

58. Technically, it was a private street but that does not make a difference

Zimmerman had no right to detain Martin. Martin had just as much right to be in that development as Zimmerman did.

Adding to the evidence that Zimmerman pursued Martin is the location of the body. See the map in my post here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=453695

That was a good distance from a road. Zimmerman left his vehicle in pursuit of Martin, not something he would do if he was in fear of the kid.

[Justice wanted]

61. That's just it. The streets to get to the houses are really public because not just ONE person own

that street.


If I go and visit my cousin at her home in VA and she is in a Community -not exactly gated but a community. Am I only able to drive on the ONE street that leads to her home? What if I turn on the wrong street because EVERY FREAKIN home is the same color and style. Do I not have the right to look for that home?


How about this. My cousin who like me has Italian and Arab traits and she happens to have dark skin goes down a street because she decides to walk for exercise. Does that mean a fellow member of that community has a right to detaine her? Just because it is a "gated" community doesn't mean IT IS ALL Private. There are public areas.

[arcane1]

53. He had no right whatsoever to detain him! n/t

[X_Digger]

28. +1

And by illegally detaining Martin, lost the benefit of the self-defense statute.

[MADem]

37. +1. and he had no right to detain the kid, either.

He was overreaching in his "Neighborhood Nut, er Watch" role.

[chrisa]

39. That's what I thought about this story from day 1 too.

Zimmerman figured he would detain Trayvon, and it would be over. Then, it went to sh*t. Plans never work out the way you want them to, and Zimmerman's was extremely stupid.

[Justice wanted]

24. THIS IS A CHILD being stalked by a man! but YOU ONLY SEE BLACK AND WHITE!

[jwirr]

84. Yes, I was very upset when they were calling him a man when this first started. This was a child.

[uppityperson]

70. If some man approached me carrying a gun, I'd try to run. If he kept stalking me, I'd hit out too

Last edited Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:18 AM - Edit history (1)

(edited to change "brandishing" to "carrying" in subject line.)
Some random stranger, stalking me with a gun in his hand. Could be Trayvon felt this way also. It could be. It does not in ANY way exonerate Zimmerman's shooting him. Or stalking him. Zimmerman is at fault but I could see why I might try to push him away.

[X_Digger]

71. Is there something that indicates Zimmerman was brandishing?

I hadn't heard that.

[uppityperson]

72. Well, he certainly had it out in his hand before he shot. "brandishing" is not specific enough, true

True. "Brandish" is not specific enough since we may have different views on what the word means. If someone came after me with a gun in his hand.....

He had the gun out before he shot.

If someone came after me, stalked me, followed me, I'd be very concerned. If then he approached me with a gun, I would try to get away and, if all else failed, do what I had to do to keep myself safe.

[X_Digger]

73. As far as I can recall, none of the witnesses who saw Zimmerman on top of Martin mentioned a gun.

My guess would be that Zimmerman pulled it when he confronted Martin, or when the two were on the ground.

We know that Zimmerman had one hand on a cell phone when he left his vehicle, you can hear him fumbling it when he gets out. (Right after you hear the *ding* *ding* *ding* of his car door open reminder.)

Neither of the witnesses who saw Zimmerman put his hands on his head in a 'Oh FUCK!' type gesture reported a gun.

According to the police report, when they arrived, Zimmerman had already holstered it.

I think it a bit premature to assume that Zimmerman approached Martin 'with a gun' (brandishing it.) In his possession, yes.

[aquart]

3. It's the kid who was screaming for help in the 911 call background.

And why isn't it a felony for a community watch volunteer to patrol WITH A GUN?

[Politicalboi]

4. Self inflicted

Or perhaps he tackled someone else prior to killing Trayvon. Or maybe he just tripped himself in more ways than one.

[MADem]

38. Maybe a family member hit him with a cast iron pan because he's an idiot. nt

[gateley]

65. They said he did have some calls on domestic violence from a former fiance. Maybe his wife

whacked him one and that's what set him off.

[vaberella]

89. That's what I was thinking.

With no witnesses he can and could have said anything and with him not going to the hospital to get it checked out all we have is word of mouth.

[Glimmer of Hope]

5. But witnesses say there wasn't fight.

Your post made me think of the Lululemon case where the murderer inflicted wounds on herself to try to cover her crime.

[Mariana]

68. Perpetrators injure themselves more frequently

than a lot of people realize. Considering that Zimmerman knew he might face the needle, I don't think it's unlikely at all.

We'll probably never know. This goes (again) to the police officers' laziness and/or incompetence. If the cops had done a proper investigation, thoroughly going over the area looking for evidence, they may have found whatever he used to inflict that wound on himself, if indeed he did so. And if they had searched diligently and found nothing like that, we'd be more likely to believe that there really was a fight.

[arcane1]

8. Could be that Trayvon defended himself successfully and got away (almost)

and then the coward went after him with a gun

[MoonRiver]

9. The point is, there should have been a thorough police investigation.

Zimmerman should have been questioned at police headquarters and statements taken from people who called 911 and his girlfriend. Instead, we have a cover-up.

[Bicoastal]

11. The girlfriend thing makes me so mad...

...because no one official bothered to check Trayvon's call logs until the media got involved. The Sanford cops were incredibly, criminally negligent for this reason and more...

[MoonRiver]

15. Criminally negligent and maybe worse.

This whole thing stinks.

[mysuzuki2]

13. Whose blood was on Zimmerman's clothes?

Why didn't the police confiscate his clothing for testing? Why was a man who at least possibly was involved in a crime allowed to retain the weopon. Are those police officers complete idiots?

[XanaDUer]

16. So many balls dropped here

Nt

[csziggy]

60. Yes, Zimmerman's clothes should have been forensically examined

And his injuries photographed. Also, blood samples for tox screening should have been taken and an alcohol test should have been performed.

The officers took Zimmerman's word for EVERYTHING. They didn't even lift a finger to try to identify the dead young man, not even checking his cell phone.

Yes, these cops ARE complete idiots.

[Life Long Dem]

17. This is what Chief Bill Lee said.

Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/17920337/article-Chief-Bill-Lee-answers-questions-about-investigation-into-shooting-of-17-year-old-Trayvon-Martin?instance=home_news_2nd_left

[Bicoastal]

20. That dog don't hunt.

Trayvon runs so far and fast he loses Zimmerman, then SOMEHOW he doubles back so quickly he takes him by surprise?

I mean putting aside the question of HOW a human being would do that. WHY would he do it?

[Life Long Dem]

21. Yeah it doesn't make sense.

One second he is on the phone with the cops following the boy and the next second he loses him? Then there is the girlfriend on the phone with the boy up until the time the phone was knocked to the ground.

This conversation should help in determining whether he was walking or running because they talked about this. The cops didn't even talk to the girl.

[Justice wanted]

29. Hmmm problem with that statement is that Trayvon's girl friend -who was on the phone with Trayvon

doesn't fully match that attack. Unless a Verbal demand of WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME is justification to shoot someone.

[uponit7771]

52. +1

[frylock]

35. the 911 tapes completely disprove that theory

[Life Long Dem]

76. Trayvon seems to have lost Zimmerman

Chief Bill Lee: Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

http://tinyurl.com/84rklbf

Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend: “He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on,” she said. “He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”

http://tinyurl.com/7vn6m2f

Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and had a bloody nose.

I don't know what exactly happened during this time but if Martin attacked Zimmerman, was Zimmerman still justified in using deadly force?

Everyone is ready to be judge and jury to hang Zimmerman. Well not me because I still believe in a person being innocent until proven guilty.

I'll be the first person to fry his ass if he is found guilty with his right to a fair trial.

[X_Digger]

78. If Zimmerman laid hands on Martin to detain him, or took the first swing- no.

He loses the ability to use self-defense as a defense.

[div class='excerpt']776.041 Use of force by aggressor.

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

[frylock]

93. zimmerman was clearly the instigator therefore losing any right to claim self defense..

as has been pointed out over and over and over you cannot start an altercation with someone and then claim self defense because you're getting your ass kicked.

[Mnemosyne]

19. Isn't this a gated community? Where are the surveillance tapes? Seems such a paranoid area would

have cameras.

[alphafemale]

22. If they was never medically examined it could have been Trayvon's blood.

He could have wiped Trayvon's blood on himself.

[uppityperson]

27. Or it could have been from hitting his head on a cupboard the day before.

There are many ways to have an abrasion on your head.

[JI7]

23. how do we know there was a wound ?

i don't believe there was. and if there is it was from something else .

the reason i say this is if it was true that wannabe cop piece of shit murderous thug Zimmerman would probably have made some appearances or put pics out to show he was hurt.

[KT2000]

25. Exactly

the police were trying to get the witnesses to change their story. I would not believe a word they said. If there is a wound - where are the pictures? Surely they would have tried to head off DOJ involvement with it if they had a pic.

[savalez]

36. Bingo. Police normally photograph that stuff.

The only reason they wouldn't have photographed it is if it did not exist. Or if they wanted to cover up the incident. Which is it?

[uponit7771]

54. True, the police dept isn't on the up and up

[bigtree]

30. so, he hit his head

. . . in the struggle that ensued after he pursued, tackled, and struggled with the young man trying to escape him.

[Major Hogwash]

31. Go ask Zimmerman.

He hasn't said a word publicly about it.
And it has almost been a month.

[Joseph8th]

40. It bothers me too...

... that it didn't knock him unconscious so Treyvon would still be alive.

What happened to taking a good ole fashioned ass-kicking when you deserve it? Zimmerman could've killed that boy with his bare hands but the coward pulled his gun.

Gun owners are cowards. And the 2nd Amendment is the LEAST important of our Constitutional Rights. I'd go so far as to say it's completely outdated and useless.

Where's my right to keep and bear and F-16?

[Joseph8th]

42. The hobby argument doesn't fly either...

... where's my right to collect stamps? Huh?

Guns are for cowards. Only cowards need them.

COWARDS.

Why should you have a constitutionally protected right to collect guns? Fucking repeal that piece of shit.

[Joseph8th]

43. REPEAL THE 2ND AMENDMENT. nt

[morningfog]

45. If Trayvon hit his sorry racist ass hard enough, be could have hit his head on the way down.

Regardless, Zimmerman instigated and was the aggressor. Any injuries he got can be explained as a result of Trayvon trying to defend himself before the racist murder.

[Th1onein]

46. Did you also happen to hear the police recording, where Zimmerman was told

not to go after the child, and Zimmerman said, "Fucking coon." Did you hear that recording?

This was a hate crime.

[bluestate10]

48. A good prosecutor would rip apart a wound defense.

Wounds have signatures. A wound from a fist has a specific signature, as does a wound from a rock or stone, or a pipe, or a can, or a piece of wire, or concrete sidewalk or pavement. Zimmerman is drawing a rope tighter and tigher around his neck. That rope is likely to hang the cop that was first on the scene and the police chief that could and should have forced the right actions to be taken by people under his command but didn't.

[csziggy]

55. The shooting took place more than a few yards from where a vehicle could be

Where the "A" marker is indicates the townhouse BEHIND which the body of Trayvon Martin was found. It was actually pretty much between that house and the one directly across the backyard since the police report indicated it was between the houses facing the two different streets.

George Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon at the entrance to the community, near the building with the swimming pool behind it. Trayvon was headed to the apartment almost at the back entrance, at the far end of the block where he was killed and across the street, about where the number 2610 on Retreat View Circle.

I suspect that when Trayvon realized the nut in the SUV was following him, he cut down that sidewalk between the rows of townhouses to get away from him. Zimmerman had to have gotten out of his vehicle to chase the kid, which totally eliminates the self defence claim.

In addition, if the girl friend's narrative of her last call with Trayvon is to be believed, Trayvon was blindsided by Zimmerman. Maybe he fought back, but if so he was the one who was protecting himself from an attack according to her story. Until the autopsy report is released, we will not know if there were any marks on Trayvon.

For all we know, Zimmerman could have been blundering around in the dark, tripped and hurt himself that way.

[gkhouston]

56. Was this "noticeable wound" a backwards B? n/t

[gateley]

59. I think it was a backwards N. nt

[Nye Bevan]

62. I'm not a lawyer. But say you initiate a fistfight, because you're a racist.

The other guy turns out to be a better fighter than you. Slimmer, more agile, and stronger. He holds his own and gets a few well-placed blows in.

So you draw a gun and shoot the guy dead. You then claim self-defense because your ass was being handed to you, even though you started the fight.

Morally repugnant? Enormously so. But does that work as a legal defense? I hope not, but I don't know.

[X_Digger]

66. In Florida? Maybe..

There is a specific set of circumstances..

If you tried to disengage, and your opponent persisted, then yes, you'd be justified..

Here's the relevant section of law:

[div class='excerpt']776.041 Use of force by aggressor.

The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

The example would be, you and a guy 'stepped outside' to 'engage in fisticuffs' and when you realize you're getting your ass kicked, you try and give up, but the other person continues to stomp you..

[yardwork]

77. The 911 tapes record the sounds of a young person screaming for his life.

Trayvon was trying to get away from the scary big man who was chasing him with a gun. Zimmerman did not try to disengage. He was the aggressor and then he shot his victim.

[X_Digger]

79. Right, which means he can't avail himself of this defense.

Especially if he also tried to detain Martin illegally (a forcible felony.)

[yardwork]

83. So far he hasn't been asked to defend his actions. The police chose not to press charges.

Now, after weeks of public outcry, a grand jury is going to review the case. I don't have a lot of faith that this will lead to charges. The DA presents the evidence to grand juries, and the DA, police chief, and town manager think that there is no reason to arrest Zimmerman.

[X_Digger]

87. Have you ever been on a grand jury?

It's not like a trial on law and order where the prosecution presents the case- you get to ask questions, ask that other evidence be presented (or looked for).. basically you get to grill the DA and cops.

You don't have to know legalese, either.

With all the outrage, I fully expect the DA / cops to feel like they've gotten a colonoscopy.

[yardwork]

88. I hope you're right.

[Canuckistanian]

63. Someone fighting for their life can exhibit amazing strength

We don't know whether that particular wound was inflicted AFTER Trayvon was shot or before.

But one thing is clear. This didn't have to happen. The cops TOLD Zimmerman to back off, BEFORE the fact.

[frazzled]

67. If a hospital admittance report shows up ...

for treating a head wound, you can ponder this more. Not a police report, but something showing that there was a wound serious enough to need treatment.

If no such thing turns up, then there was no serious wound. And we can return to discussing the issues: a self-appointed vigilante with a gun was pursuing a 17-year-old kid who lived in the complex and was carrying a can of iced tea and some Skittles and got shot to death.

[trumad]

90. Finally sonmeone in this thread spouts the obvious...

Were paramedics called to the scene to administer first aid to this errr serious wound?

Did he go to the hospital?

If so---let's see the report.

[jwirr]

74. Just a thought - would any of us not defend ourselves if some guy stalks us and does not identify

himself? The tapes make it clear that was the case.

[Evasporque]

81. I dont suppose they tested the blood on his head....

It was probably Trayvon's...a little dab will fool ya....

[Ganja Ninja]

82. Let me simplify it for you.

You can't go out armed and stalk and chase down complete strangers who are minding their own business. And then when they turn and fight for their lives and you shoot them you can't call it self defense. That's the gist of this case.

[DefenseLawyer]

85. That's why we have trials. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

86. Police are saying Zimmerman wasn't confronting Trayvon when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

Zimmerman says he was walking to his truck.

Chief Bill Lee: Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.

http://tinyurl.com/84rklbf

Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend: “He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on,” she said. “He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.”

http://tinyurl.com/7vn6m2f

[vaberella]

91. That makes no sense.

Because just based on where Trayvon was killed which was a few yards from his house and Zimmerman killed him which was a good mile from Zimmerman's own home...I doubt that Trayvon jumped him and he wouldn't be able to do it when he's on the phone with his girlfriend...since the girlfriend claimed that she was on the phone with Trayvon when the phone went dead because it sounded like Trayvon was attacked or pushed.

[newspeak]

94. the police look like they're either covering or derelict, which is it?

because it seems that it should have been treated like a murder scene until proven otherwise. Just the perps word on it doesn't fly. The perps gun and clothes should have been confiscated, pictures should have been taken of zimmerman's alleged wounds. Nothing was done. This looks more and more like a cover up, to me.

[vaberella]

92. Trayvon was on the phone with this girlfriend when the girl heard a scuffle before it went dead.

Just by that information there was no way that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. You don't attack someone with your phone on and your having a conversation. How does that even make sense?

[EmeraldCityGrl]

95. The longer this murderer remains loose

the better chance his defense team has arguing he cannot get a fair trial
due to media coverage. The longer he stays loose the more time there is
to get rid of the murder weapon and other evidence like clothing, Zimmerman's
cell phone, computer, or anything that should have been collected at the time of the crime.

Time is of the essence.