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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:04 AM Feb 2014

Larry Summers: The US is becoming a 'Downton Abbey' economy

The following is quoted from an editorial by Summers appearing in today's "Financial Times."


Inequality has emerged as a major issue in the US and beyond. A generation ago it could reasonably have been asserted that the overall growth rate of the economy was the main influence on the growth in middle-class incomes and progress in reducing poverty. This is no longer a plausible claim.

The share of income going to the top 1 per cent of earners has increased sharply. A rising share of output is going to profits. Real wages are stagnant. Family incomes have not risen as fast as productivity. The cumulative effect of all these developments is that the US may well be on the way to becoming a Downton Abbey economy. It is very likely that these issues will be with us long after the cyclical conditions have normalised and budget deficits have at last been addressed.

.......

It is not enough to identify policies that reduce inequality. To be effective they must also raise the incomes of the middle class and the poor. Tax reform has a major role to play. The current tax code is so badly designed that it is very likely to be having the effect of reducing economic growth. It also allows the rich to shield a far greater proportion of their income from taxation than the poor. For example, last year’s increase in the stock market represented an increase in wealth of about $6tn, of which the lion’s share went to the very wealthy.

It is unlikely that the government will collect as much as 10 per cent of this figure. That is because of a host of policies that favour the rich, such as the capital gains exemption, the ability to defer tax on unrealised capital gains, and the fact that gains on assets passed on at death are not taxed at all. Similarly, the corporate tax system allows value to flow through it like a sieve. The ratio of corporate tax collections to the market value of US corporations is near a record low. The estate tax can be more or less avoided with sophisticated planning.

http://m.ft.com/cms/s/2/875155ce-8f25-11e3-be85-00144feab7de.html

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Larry Summers: The US is becoming a 'Downton Abbey' economy (Original Post) Redfairen Feb 2014 OP
It could be that the 1 percent Turbineguy Feb 2014 #1
You have accurately diagnosed the problem. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #3
Hear, Here! 2banon Feb 2014 #23
+10000 JDPriestly Feb 2014 #41
Nah, the 1% were robber barons who Progressive dog Feb 2014 #6
Uhhh..... Squinch Feb 2014 #30
+2 Octafish Feb 2014 #11
And hide all their money in the Cayman Islands. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #18
This is exactly true shenmue Feb 2014 #27
Well, Larry, I guess you shouldn't have been such a cheerleader for Gramm-Leach-Bliley Enthusiast Feb 2014 #2
+ swilton Feb 2014 #17
took the words right out of my mouth! n/t 2banon Feb 2014 #24
^^^THIS^^^ valerief Feb 2014 #25
Winner FreakinDJ Feb 2014 #32
+! nt adirondacker Feb 2014 #33
And, like OJ, Larry won't rest until MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #4
Larry Summers LOL KG Feb 2014 #5
Stop Bragging About YOUR Success, Larry Demeter Feb 2014 #7
^^^^This. Nice of Summers to notice. After he put it in place. Squinch Feb 2014 #31
think maybe he sees the writing on the wall, Volaris Feb 2014 #43
. . . said Larry "Grantham" Summers hatrack Feb 2014 #8
Much thanks to you and yer buddies ...fucking rich ass greedy pig! L0oniX Feb 2014 #9
He doesn't watch Downton Abbey treestar Feb 2014 #10
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. If Summers were watching and paying attention to "Downton maddiemom Feb 2014 #49
Inspector Renault is shocked--shocked!-- QC Feb 2014 #12
In other news: Cancer now self-diagnosing! 4_TN_TITANS Feb 2014 #13
I can't stand him, but overall, he nails the problem. BUT, closeupready Feb 2014 #14
oh, isn't he just so cute... magical thyme Feb 2014 #15
What a schmuck Oilwellian Feb 2014 #16
wait.... wait... Locrian Feb 2014 #19
So Larry "what would Goldman think" Summers solution is tax reform? pa28 Feb 2014 #20
Damnit, pay them enough so they look presentable when they bring me dinner jsr Feb 2014 #21
Really Larry? progressoid Feb 2014 #22
Oh. Look. The guy who helped cause it noticed. Octafish Feb 2014 #26
Really, Larry? And how do you suppose that happened? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2014 #28
And the Biggest Balls Award goes to......... nt Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2014 #29
Larry Summer talking about income inequality... LittleBlue Feb 2014 #34
that's why the show's so popular: we're preparing ourselves! MisterP Feb 2014 #35
The arsonist is yelling fire? Armstead Feb 2014 #36
I imagine that many do, to divert suspicion. merrily Feb 2014 #54
I Had To Do A Double Take colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #37
Larry Summers giving us financial advice makes me feel like we children being groomed jtuck004 Feb 2014 #38
Oh the irony TomClash Feb 2014 #39
Larry Summers is finally catching on. This happened on his watch. But he doesn't mention that JDPriestly Feb 2014 #40
no, he is not "catching on" Skittles Feb 2014 #52
Next: Dick Cheney calls American military adventurism destructive, costly IDemo Feb 2014 #42
Without attaching blame to himself jsr Feb 2014 #44
Holding my breath until Larry takes on his own share of the blame... Roland99 Feb 2014 #45
Hey there Roland Demeter Feb 2014 #46
Hiya back! Roland99 Feb 2014 #50
As well as can be, I suppose Demeter Feb 2014 #51
The OP's sentiment is good concerning economics defacto7 Feb 2014 #47
Coming from the sexist neolib elitist? Take a look in the mirror. nt alp227 Feb 2014 #48
Yes, Larry. So, where's your humble apology? merrily Feb 2014 #53
Oh, and HE did it DiverDave Feb 2014 #55
Larry Fucking Summers? How precious is that. Autumn Feb 2014 #56
Now that IS rich coming from Summers! n/t markpkessinger Feb 2014 #57
I really hope Larry Summers reads this thread (n/t) bread_and_roses Feb 2014 #58

Turbineguy

(37,361 posts)
1. It could be that the 1 percent
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:08 AM
Feb 2014

used to be industrialists, people who created wealth and employed large numbers of people. Now the 1 percent are financial types who rig the system and loot wealth.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
3. You have accurately diagnosed the problem.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:18 AM
Feb 2014
Loot wealth.

And that Gramm-Leach-Bliley that Summers was a cheerleader for is the foundation for the mechanism used by the 1% to do the looting. Bring back Glass Steagal!

Progressive dog

(6,917 posts)
6. Nah, the 1% were robber barons who
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 09:29 AM
Feb 2014

forced competitors out of business. They employed armed thugs to break strikes.
Many of them were not industrialists, they provided the money and expertise to organize the various trusts.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. +2
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 11:28 AM
Feb 2014

It's easier to make a buck when you have a pile of money than it is to turn a pile of stuff into money.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
18. And hide all their money in the Cayman Islands.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 12:44 PM
Feb 2014

That doesn't produce jobs...except maybe more Island Cayman bankers.

I personally think all money in the Islands should be accounted for and taxed as income. It isn't fair that the rich can hide so much money and workers get taxed on all their income. The rich should too.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
2. Well, Larry, I guess you shouldn't have been such a cheerleader for Gramm-Leach-Bliley
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:15 AM
Feb 2014

which put tax payers on the hook for fraudulent behavior by your good buddies.

Asshole!

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
7. Stop Bragging About YOUR Success, Larry
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 09:53 AM
Feb 2014

You are the chief tool in the Robert Rubin drawer. If you want someone to blame, go look in a mirror.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
43. think maybe he sees the writing on the wall,
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:29 PM
Feb 2014

And decided he would rather not be hanged for his particular brand of treason?

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
8. . . . said Larry "Grantham" Summers
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:15 AM
Feb 2014

Bite me, you pretentious bag of shit.

Oh, and how'd that "free-market miracle" known as Gramm-Leah-Bliley work out for you?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. He doesn't watch Downton Abbey
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:56 AM
Feb 2014

The rich there are having to adjust to a new economy. They are going to lose their estate if they don't get more business savvy.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
49. Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. If Summers were watching and paying attention to "Downton
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:49 AM
Feb 2014

Abbey," he'd be drawing a different lesson.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
13. In other news: Cancer now self-diagnosing!
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 11:44 AM
Feb 2014

Is it denial, or does this guy really not know how much of the problem he has been over his career?

What he describes is the end-game of everything he has advocated. Sheesh.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
14. I can't stand him, but overall, he nails the problem. BUT,
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 12:05 PM
Feb 2014

our corrupt "money is speech!" political status quo prevents us getting a responsive Congress to improve our way of life.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
15. oh, isn't he just so cute...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 12:14 PM
Feb 2014

So 'everyday people' he watches Downton Abby just like the rest of us ordinary schmoes.

And then there's this gem:
Presidents from Franklin Roosevelt to Harry Truman railed against the excesses of a privileged few in finance and business. Some have gone beyond rhetoric. Confronted with rising steel prices, John Kennedy sent the FBI storming into corporate offices and is widely thought to have ordered the authorities to audit executives’ personal tax returns. Richard Nixon used the same weapon in 1973, announcing tax investigations “of the books of companies which raised their prices more than 1.5 per cent above the January ceiling”.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/875155ce-8f25-11e3-be85-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2tb25G1h3

Nice to imply that Roosevelt didn't get beyond rhetoric because, like, Glass-Steaghall had nothing to do with his success. And its repeal, tyvm Larry, didn't contribute greatly to our current nightmare scenario.

All leading us to his brilliant, and some how not terribly surprising, conclusion:

"Sooner or later inequality will have to be addressed. Much better that it be done by letting free markets operate and then working to improve the result."

Yup, just let those "free markets" continue the updraft until the 0.01% have it all.


Locrian

(4,522 posts)
19. wait.... wait...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 01:07 PM
Feb 2014

Larry *fuc**ing** Summers? Are you kidding me? The free market leg humper is now surprised that this is happening? The Same Larry *fuc***ing** Summers that drove a lot of these policies?

Oh, wait.... I read it assuming he thinks this is a BAD thing. I get it, jokes on me :p

And *obviously* the best solution will be less regulation and more 'freedom' of the markets.



pa28

(6,145 posts)
20. So Larry "what would Goldman think" Summers solution is tax reform?
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 01:07 PM
Feb 2014

Tax reform that actually ends up lowering rates?

Nothing about reigning in monopoly banks or restoring a healthy labor market because "what would Goldman think".

Seriously I can't fathom why anybody at all listens to this person still. He's been part of the problem for over 20 years now.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
28. Really, Larry? And how do you suppose that happened?
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:30 PM
Feb 2014

Sounds like a guy who murders his parents and then bemoans the fact that he's an orphan.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
37. I Had To Do A Double Take
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:15 PM
Feb 2014

Talk about tone deaf. Larry you're a huge reason for the burgeoning inequality and you got rich screwing all of us. You should be in the Big House.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
38. Larry Summers giving us financial advice makes me feel like we children being groomed
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:33 PM
Feb 2014

by a pedophile.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
39. Oh the irony
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:40 PM
Feb 2014

Bank bailouts, free trade and tax cuts for the wealthy all were approved by Lord Summers.

Skittles

(153,174 posts)
52. no, he is not "catching on"
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 12:00 AM
Feb 2014

it's just that the results of his kind of policies are now too obvious for even him to keep pretending otherwise

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
50. Hiya back!
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:23 PM
Feb 2014

To quote the evil magician from Frosty the Snowman, "Busy! Busy! Busy!"

Commuting (via Delta) to RIC from MCO every week (since the first of the year). A few more months of this.

fun stuff.

I still lurk in SMW a bit but haven't really had time to post any market news.

Hope all is well!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
47. The OP's sentiment is good concerning economics
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:23 AM
Feb 2014

but Larry Summers can't possibly have seen Downton Abbey or he would never have used it for his argument. It's a pretty bad analogy considering it's about a failing aristocratic system and how they cope with it. The 1% have absolutely nothing to do with their failing system. A better analogy would be about the rise of the Rockefellers, Vanderbilts or J.P. Morgan, or maybe the rise of Genghis Khan for that matter.

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