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hatrack

(59,592 posts)
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:40 PM Feb 2014

Arctic Sea Ice Melting Now - In February - North Pole 35F Over Historical Avg. 2/13

Last edited Sun Feb 16, 2014, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)

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Extraordinarily warm water, as much as 10°F above normal, has entered the Barents sea on the Atlantic side of the Arctic. Sea ice is melting in February in response to the incursion of warm water that originated in the Gulf Stream.

Storm after storm has pounded England and western Europe, smashing the coastline with massive waves and flooding, making this the stormiest winter in the long English weather records which go back to 1766. But there's something happening in the ocean that's even more disturbing than the destruction to Europe. The extreme wind field across the Atlantic this winter is literally driving water that originated in the Gulf Stream into the Arctic Ocean causing sea ice extent on the Atlantic side of the Arctic ocean to decline in the middle of February. Water temperatures reported by NOAA are far above normal from the coast of north America, to the Labrador and Greenland seas, extending all the way into the Arctic ocean. The sea surface temperature anomaly maps are shocking. Water temperatures are more than 10°F above normal near Svalbard in the Arctic ocean. Likewise, Gulf Stream temperatures off of the east coast of North America are stunningly hot.

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Sea surface temperatures in the Gulf Stream are greater than 10°F above normal off the east coast of North America

The Norwegian Atlantic current carries hot Gulf stream water mixed with cool water from the north Atlantic, up the coast of Norway. The current then flows north towards Svalbard, in the Arctic, or east towards Murmansk, Russia depending on the storms and winds. This winter, the much stronger than normal winds across the north Atlantic and in the Greenland sea, have spun up the Norwegian Atlantic current to higher than normal speed, driving warm water rapidly towards both Svalbard and Murmansk.

Temperatures near the north pole were 35°F (20°C) above normal on February 13.

Ed. - emphasis in original.

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Surface winds were much stronger than normal across the Atlantic from Nov. 1, 2013 through Jan. 31, 2014. Moreover anomalous cyclonic winds spun up in the Nordic seas, spinning up the warm Norwegian Atlantic current up the coast of Norway and the cold Greenland current down the east coast of Greenland. These winds hastened the export of sea ice from the Arctic and the import of warm Atlantic water into the Arctic.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/16/1278016/--Extraordinary-N-Atlantic-Storms-Driving-Gulf-Stream-Water-into-Arctic-Sea-Ice-Melting-in-February

I'm sorry, what was that again about the Department of Agriculture "climate hubs", and the "adaptation fund"?


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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/16/1278016/--Extraordinary-N-Atlantic-Storms-Driving-Gulf-Stream-Water-into-Arctic-Sea-Ice-Melting-in-February
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Arctic Sea Ice Melting Now - In February - North Pole 35F Over Historical Avg. 2/13 (Original Post) hatrack Feb 2014 OP
K&R. Although it's not about swimsuits, it ought to be kept Ron Green Feb 2014 #1
Appreciate it! hatrack Feb 2014 #3
And it appears east-central Wisconsin is the new arctic cap. Scuba Feb 2014 #2
Gee, too bad this story isn't connected to the Swimsuit Issue, huh? hatrack Feb 2014 #4
There is a swimsuit issue now? zeemike Feb 2014 #5
Maybe a Swimsuit Issue on the scenic coast of Greenland? hatrack Feb 2014 #7
Recommend...You've been on Climate Change "FOREVER" On DU and Thanks for It! KoKo Feb 2014 #6
frightening nilram Feb 2014 #8
Please remember..... penndragon69 Feb 2014 #9
. XemaSab Feb 2014 #10
Things. seem to be moving Faster Than Expected ... hatrack Feb 2014 #13
Been good XemaSab Feb 2014 #19
Shocking bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #11
How about the WEST ANTARCTIC ICE SHEET???? happyslug Feb 2014 #12
Criminals albino65 Feb 2014 #14
And yet... woo me with science Feb 2014 #15
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #16
Are you going to ProSense Feb 2014 #18
But the deniers have snow in their front yard in February. pa28 Feb 2014 #17
Alaska had its fourth warmest January on record. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #20
It's still not really normal here in the Interior - raven mad Feb 2014 #22
You guys might get our Iditarod start. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #24
If that happens, I'll be happy to buy you coffee. raven mad Feb 2014 #25
We've considered coming up there Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #26
Those areas looked pretty rough - big bro texted some pics. raven mad Feb 2014 #27
Thanks, Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #28
The Parks Highway has been fairly nasty between here and Cantwell. raven mad Feb 2014 #32
It looks like they'll be keeping the restart in Willow. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #34
I'd love a link, Blue_In_AK!! raven mad Feb 2014 #36
And I am hearing about -97 degree wind chill up there. Bandit Feb 2014 #29
Yes, in Howard Pass. raven mad Feb 2014 #33
The weather has been all over the place this year. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #35
kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #21
Setup for Spring blizzards in New England... JCMach1 Feb 2014 #23
Water temperatures are more than 10°F above normal near Svalbard means starving polar bears.. DreamGypsy Feb 2014 #30
+1 jsr Feb 2014 #31
Here, ProSense Feb 2014 #37
and... Kick Do this. Agony Feb 2014 #39
5000 and we NEED 500,000 comments - direct link to comment page Agony Feb 2014 #40
Kick, because the door to the Arctic is wide open. Agony Feb 2014 #42
Kick Agony Feb 2014 #38
it's no wonder NOAA is having problems predicting the weather... Agony Feb 2014 #41

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
3. Appreciate it!
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 09:00 PM
Feb 2014

It's probably the most important story of the year, and good to know that there's some interest out there.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
5. There is a swimsuit issue now?
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 09:51 PM
Feb 2014

Can't prove it by me, I don't click on that...

But this is important in ways that will make the world a dangerous place to live.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
7. Maybe a Swimsuit Issue on the scenic coast of Greenland?
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 09:57 PM
Feb 2014

Now THERE'S a way to get public attention on climate issues!

 

penndragon69

(788 posts)
9. Please remember.....
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:14 PM
Feb 2014

Global warming is just a liberal myth,
forget about those scientists...what the hell
do they know ?

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
12. How about the WEST ANTARCTIC ICE SHEET????
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:42 PM
Feb 2014
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/01/13/3155431/massive-glacier-melt-irreversible-antarctica/

http://www.imaja.com/as/environment/can/journal/madhousecentury.html

Related to this is any shutdown of the ocean conveyor system:

More on the Ocean Conveyor belt:
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/conveyor.html
http://oceanmotion.org/html/background/ocean-conveyor-belt.htm
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/545.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100618102646.htm

Please note it takes about 1000 years for water to go through this system, but it tends to keep most of the world at the same temperature.

You also have to understand that West Antarctic is NOT one piece of land but a series of interconnected islands, connected by the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS). Here is a map of Antarctica without ice, notice on the Left, which is West Antarctica mostly islands:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica

More maps of Antarctica:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Antarctica

The Antarctic is melting from below:
http://www.motherjones.com/authors/julia-whitty?page=20

More on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet
http://earthsky.org/earth/sophie-nowicki-on-weak-underbelly-of-west-antarctic-ice-sheet
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100116103350.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/02/05/203656/antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse-even-more-catastrophic-for-us-coasts/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast27dec_1/

Part of the the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is 1.5 KM below sea level:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n6/full/ngeo1468.html
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2012/05/10/ice_sheet/

More on the Antarctic Circumpolar Current:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circumpolar_Current
http://phys.org/news191483678.html
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-antarctic-magazine/2001-2005/issue-4-spring-2002/the-southern-oceans-global-reach

El Nino tied in with the Antarctic Circumpolar Current:
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/pacific-01b.html


Here are some links, the first one goes into details on some of the proposals to "help the Climate":
http://www.chooseclimate.org/cleng/cleng.html

http://www-esd.lbl.gov/CLIMATE/OCEAN/fertilization.html
http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/life/dustplankton...
http://www.mountwashington.org/transcripts/2004/03/23.p...
http://www.esse.ou.edu/classes/geos5510/lecture_notes/L...
http://www.princeton.edu/~cebic/enzymecycles.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~cebic/chelbindintro.html


Map of sea level raise:
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/washington.shtml

Map History of North America over the last 20,000 years:
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nercNORTHAMERICA.html
 

albino65

(484 posts)
14. Criminals
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:47 PM
Feb 2014

Since John Kerry called global warming "perhaps the world's most fearsome weapon of mass destruction", can we charge the deniers with crimes against humanity?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
15. And yet...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:48 PM
Feb 2014


Fracking is a huge environmental and human threat. Why does Obama support it?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024470380

Oil industry wrote State Department report on Keystone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024487677

2013 In Review: Obama Talks Climate Change–But Pushes Fracking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112760899

I told myself this couldn't be true: Big Oil and Gas is Exempt from Major Environmental Laws
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024480868

Obama's Oil Expansion Plans: A Clear and Present Danger to Public Safety
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112759747

Video: Romney And Obama Argue About Who Loves Big Oil More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101768935

Obama and Climate Change: The Real Story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014675710
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024190645

WikiLeaks Release: Administration Retreating on Environment in Talks on Pacific Trade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014697818

WikiLeaks on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Environment Chapter: "Toothless Public Relations Exercise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024374847

Obama is determined to push the TPP through despite opposition
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024505012

Leaked TPP Document Reveals No Regard for Environment in Trade Agreement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017169842

TYT: Obama Relies On Corrupt Consultants For Crucial Environmental Report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017173081

Obama Administration Sells More Than 20 Million Acres in Western Gulf of Mexico for Oil and Natural Gas Exploration and Development
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021896005

Eighteen leading environmental groups demand an end to Obama's "all of the above" energy strategy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101683340




Response to woo me with science (Reply #15)

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. Are you going to
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:59 PM
Feb 2014

post that "propaganda" in every thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024512367#post4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024505179#post14

If you do, and I come across it, I'll post this:

From your last link

And here’s more commentary from Trip Van Noppen, president of Earthjustice, another group that signed the letter:

In addition, “all of the above” leaves the American people holding the bag of drinking water contamination in our communities, crude oil pipeline bursts in our neighborhoods, toxic chemicals in our air, fracking groundwater accidents across the nation, oil spills in our precious Arctic waters and in our seafood-rich Gulf, carcinogenic dumping in our community waters, mountaintop removal across the Appalachians, historic coal ash spills, and more.

Yes, environmentalists are against the “all of the above” strategy.

Environmentalists, however, do recognize progress when they see it.

Earthjustice Statement on President Obama's State of the Union Address

Washington, D.C. —

The following is a statement from Earthjustice President Trip Van Noppen in response to President Obama’s State of the Union Address:

“We are encouraged that President Obama made climate change a centerpiece of his speech tonight. We applaud his commitment to facing this challenge, for the benefit of our children and grandchildren.

“President Obama has taken courageous actions so far to back this commitment. His leadership in achieving strong clean car standards has been a huge accomplishment, and we are thrilled with his leadership in tackling carbon pollution from power plants, the nation’s largest source of climate change pollution. And tonight, the President went further and affirmed that we can’t allow destructive energy development on our pristine public lands.

“The success of the President’s climate plan and our children's future depends on viewing all fossil fuels decisions through the lens of climate impacts, as the president has said he would do for the Keystone XL pipeline. Those agencies responsible for drilling off our coasts, fracking, mountaintop removal, and fossil fuel exports have to prioritize climate change just as the EPA is doing, and the President needs to ensure that they do.

“An ‘all-of-the-above energy strategy’ cannot work for the President’s own climate action plan and the climate vision he espoused tonight. All energy sources were not created equal. Clean energy is better for our families, communities, future generations, and American competitiveness. The United States should be placing our bets on 'best of the above,' not 'all of the above.' The President rightly called out the need to invest in solar energy that can power our homes and our economy rather than fossil fuels.

- more -

http://earthjustice.org/news/press/2014/earthjustice-statement-on-president-obama-s-state-of-the-union-address

As for the Keystone report, here is the assessment unskewed:

Bill McKibben Reacts to Latest Keystone XL Environmental Impact Statement

350.org co-founder Bill McKibben issued the following statement this afternoon in response to the latest State Department environmental impact statement on the Keystone XL pipeline:

“The intrusion of reality into this process is really important. The report concluded that in a scenario where we take climate change seriously and regulate climate pollution, this pipeline will indeed have a ‘significant impact’ on climate change. So now we’ll find out if that’s the world Barack Obama and John Kerry want. This report gives President Obama everything he needs in order to block this project. This is the first environmental issue in years to bring Americans into the streets in big numbers, and now they’ll be there in ever greater numbers to make sure the President makes the right call.”

http://350.org/press-release/bill-mckibben-reacts-to-latest-keystone-xl-environmental-impact-statement/

That's the third statement from environmentalists rejecting the media spin.

NRDC: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024423143#post4
Michael Brune: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024423143#post5




pa28

(6,145 posts)
17. But the deniers have snow in their front yard in February.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 10:58 PM
Feb 2014

So as Wolf Blitzer would say; "Well there you have it. The debate continues".

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
20. Alaska had its fourth warmest January on record.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 11:41 PM
Feb 2014

It's back to normal now, but we still don't have anywhere near the usual amount of snow.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
22. It's still not really normal here in the Interior -
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 04:11 PM
Feb 2014

I remember winters where 40 below in February was the norm. This week so far, it was 26 below this morning, 4 below now, clouding up (which makes it warmer, traps heat) and going to 10 above tomorrow. There was an article from the UAF Geophysical Institute about the changes in plant growth in previously "stunted growth" areas: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/node/1667

Scary, you bet.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
25. If that happens, I'll be happy to buy you coffee.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:18 PM
Feb 2014

Heaven knows, we have plenty of snow. Got 4 more inches yesterday. I'd hate to break up the "traditional" start on 4th and the restart in Wasilla, though - the restart isn't too far from my big brother's house, and he'd be upset (he's on one of the trail committees).

I can promise good coffee!

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
26. We've considered coming up there
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:23 PM
Feb 2014

for the restart but don't know about lodging. We might be able to stay with my son-in-law's sister who lives up there, or we might just blow off the restart since we'll be going out to Nome anyway. They're saying they'll be able to pull off the ceremonial start on 4th Ave. but they're more worried about the conditions between Willow and the first few checkpoints, Dalzell Gorge, etc.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
27. Those areas looked pretty rough - big bro texted some pics.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:26 PM
Feb 2014

I wouldn't want to do it. No way. I'd worry about the dog's feet too much! Suggestion re: lodging if you decide to come; there's a couple of "residence" type motels where you can cook in-room, etc. Or contact the Yukon Quest office; they may have a list of place that are reasonable or folks willing to provide a room. I'd offer, but I'm in a teeny, tiny cabin that we can barely move around in!

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
28. Thanks,
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:31 PM
Feb 2014

and don't apologize about your cabin. If we go, I'm sure Jody would put us up. It's a long drive up there, but we'd have all day Sunday to do it since they wouldn't be starting until Monday. We're still debating pros and cons.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
32. The Parks Highway has been fairly nasty between here and Cantwell.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:21 PM
Feb 2014

Friends who drive to Healy pretty much daily say watch for the black ice and you'll be ok. Who knows what the blasted weather will do between now and then - we could have a hurricane!

DU mail me if you're going to make it - that offer for coffee stands as solid as the burl in Nome!

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
34. It looks like they'll be keeping the restart in Willow.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:21 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.adn.com/2014/02/17/3331466/iditarod-restart-to-stay-in-willow.html

Problem solved. Would you like me to send you a link to my I'rod photos when I get them posted at my website after the race?

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
36. I'd love a link, Blue_In_AK!!
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 09:54 PM
Feb 2014

I'm glad they're keeping it in Willow - I like the traditional stuff, too. I was actually at the start of the first Iditarod in Anchorage (at a much younger age than I am now)!! I'll keep the link on my favorites bar!

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
29. And I am hearing about -97 degree wind chill up there.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 05:33 PM
Feb 2014

I know wind chill doesn't mean anything but it is making the news. Supposedly a new record.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
35. The weather has been all over the place this year.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:23 PM
Feb 2014

We've been breaking all kinds of records over the last four or five years.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
30. Water temperatures are more than 10°F above normal near Svalbard means starving polar bears..
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:06 PM
Feb 2014

From World Wildlife Fund, Threats to Polar Bears:

How does climate change affect polar bears?

Polar bears rely on sea ice to hunt and store energy for the summer and autumn, when food is scarce.
Sea ice now melts earlier in the spring and forms later in the autumn in the bears’ southern range, like the Hudson and James Bays of Canada.
As the bears spend longer periods without food, their health declines.
Unhealthy bears can lead to lower reproduction rates – and local extinction.


&feature

Current bear populations
20-25,000polar bears worldwide

~19 distinct sub-populations (see map below)

60-80%of polar bears are in Canada

Status by country

International: Vulnerable
Canada (COSEWIC): Special Concern
Greenland / Denmark: Vulnerable
Norway: Vulnerable
Russia: Uncertain, Rare, and Rehabilitated/Rehabilitating
United States: Threatened


Agony

(2,605 posts)
40. 5000 and we NEED 500,000 comments - direct link to comment page
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 02:26 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOS-2014-0003-0001

submit multiple individual comments with a separate theme per comment so that different reasons why NOT approving KXL is in the National Interest are considered separately.

Frame your comments as being/not being in the National Interest because this comment period is a NID (National Interest Determination). President Obama's public speakings are a great source for comment themes as he has made numerous statements on how KXL is not in the national interest.

see the DKos link in the post above for more...

Agony

(2,605 posts)
42. Kick, because the door to the Arctic is wide open.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 06:59 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-blasts-dominate-december-start-to-january-16902

The cold December and cold start to January follows a year in which record daily lows in the continental U.S. outnumbered record daily highs for the first time in 20 years. On a global level, though, 2013 was probably one of the 5 warmest years on record.
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