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?1392571330Extraordinarily warm water, as much as 10°F above normal, has entered the Barents sea on the Atlantic side of the Arctic. Sea ice is melting in February in response to the incursion of warm water that originated in the Gulf Stream.
Storm after storm has pounded England and western Europe, smashing the coastline with massive waves and flooding, making this the stormiest winter in the long English weather records which go back to 1766. But there's something happening in the ocean that's even more disturbing than the destruction to Europe. The extreme wind field across the Atlantic this winter is literally driving water that originated in the Gulf Stream into the Arctic Ocean causing sea ice extent on the Atlantic side of the Arctic ocean to decline in the middle of February. Water temperatures reported by NOAA are far above normal from the coast of north America, to the Labrador and Greenland seas, extending all the way into the Arctic ocean. The sea surface temperature anomaly maps are shocking. Water temperatures are more than 10°F above normal near Svalbard in the Arctic ocean. Likewise, Gulf Stream temperatures off of the east coast of North America are stunningly hot.
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Sea surface temperatures in the Gulf Stream are greater than 10°F above normal off the east coast of North America
The Norwegian Atlantic current carries hot Gulf stream water mixed with cool water from the north Atlantic, up the coast of Norway. The current then flows north towards Svalbard, in the Arctic, or east towards Murmansk, Russia depending on the storms and winds. This winter, the much stronger than normal winds across the north Atlantic and in the Greenland sea, have spun up the Norwegian Atlantic current to higher than normal speed, driving warm water rapidly towards both Svalbard and Murmansk.
Temperatures near the north pole were 35°F (20°C) above normal on February 13.
Ed. - emphasis in original.
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Surface winds were much stronger than normal across the Atlantic from Nov. 1, 2013 through Jan. 31, 2014. Moreover anomalous cyclonic winds spun up in the Nordic seas, spinning up the warm Norwegian Atlantic current up the coast of Norway and the cold Greenland current down the east coast of Greenland. These winds hastened the export of sea ice from the Arctic and the import of warm Atlantic water into the Arctic.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/16/1278016/--Extraordinary-N-Atlantic-Storms-Driving-Gulf-Stream-Water-into-Arctic-Sea-Ice-Melting-in-February
I'm sorry, what was that again about the Department of Agriculture "climate hubs", and the "adaptation fund"?
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/16/1278016/--Extraordinary-N-Atlantic-Storms-Driving-Gulf-Stream-Water-into-Arctic-Sea-Ice-Melting-in-February
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)from sinking.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)It's probably the most important story of the year, and good to know that there's some interest out there.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)hatrack
(59,592 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Can't prove it by me, I don't click on that...
But this is important in ways that will make the world a dangerous place to live.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Now THERE'S a way to get public attention on climate issues!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)nilram
(2,893 posts)penndragon69
(788 posts)Global warming is just a liberal myth,
forget about those scientists...what the hell
do they know ?
hatrack
(59,592 posts)How you been, Xema?
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Yourself?
bkanderson76
(266 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)http://www.imaja.com/as/environment/can/journal/madhousecentury.html
Related to this is any shutdown of the ocean conveyor system:
More on the Ocean Conveyor belt:
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/conveyor.html
http://oceanmotion.org/html/background/ocean-conveyor-belt.htm
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/545.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100618102646.htm
Please note it takes about 1000 years for water to go through this system, but it tends to keep most of the world at the same temperature.
You also have to understand that West Antarctic is NOT one piece of land but a series of interconnected islands, connected by the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS). Here is a map of Antarctica without ice, notice on the Left, which is West Antarctica mostly islands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica
More maps of Antarctica:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Antarctica
The Antarctic is melting from below:
http://www.motherjones.com/authors/julia-whitty?page=20
More on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Antarctic_Ice_Sheet
http://earthsky.org/earth/sophie-nowicki-on-weak-underbelly-of-west-antarctic-ice-sheet
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100116103350.htm
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/02/05/203656/antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse-even-more-catastrophic-for-us-coasts/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast27dec_1/
Part of the the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is 1.5 KM below sea level:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n6/full/ngeo1468.html
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2012/05/10/ice_sheet/
More on the Antarctic Circumpolar Current:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circumpolar_Current
http://phys.org/news191483678.html
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-us/publications/australian-antarctic-magazine/2001-2005/issue-4-spring-2002/the-southern-oceans-global-reach
El Nino tied in with the Antarctic Circumpolar Current:
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/pacific-01b.html
Here are some links, the first one goes into details on some of the proposals to "help the Climate":
http://www.chooseclimate.org/cleng/cleng.html
http://www-esd.lbl.gov/CLIMATE/OCEAN/fertilization.html
http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/life/dustplankton...
http://www.mountwashington.org/transcripts/2004/03/23.p...
http://www.esse.ou.edu/classes/geos5510/lecture_notes/L...
http://www.princeton.edu/~cebic/enzymecycles.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~cebic/chelbindintro.html
Map of sea level raise:
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/washington.shtml
Map History of North America over the last 20,000 years:
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nercNORTHAMERICA.html
albino65
(484 posts)Since John Kerry called global warming "perhaps the world's most fearsome weapon of mass destruction", can we charge the deniers with crimes against humanity?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Fracking is a huge environmental and human threat. Why does Obama support it?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024470380
Oil industry wrote State Department report on Keystone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024487677
2013 In Review: Obama Talks Climate ChangeBut Pushes Fracking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112760899
I told myself this couldn't be true: Big Oil and Gas is Exempt from Major Environmental Laws
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024480868
Obama's Oil Expansion Plans: A Clear and Present Danger to Public Safety
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112759747
Video: Romney And Obama Argue About Who Loves Big Oil More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101768935
Obama and Climate Change: The Real Story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014675710
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024190645
WikiLeaks Release: Administration Retreating on Environment in Talks on Pacific Trade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014697818
WikiLeaks on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Environment Chapter: "Toothless Public Relations Exercise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024374847
Obama is determined to push the TPP through despite opposition
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024505012
Leaked TPP Document Reveals No Regard for Environment in Trade Agreement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017169842
TYT: Obama Relies On Corrupt Consultants For Crucial Environmental Report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017173081
Obama Administration Sells More Than 20 Million Acres in Western Gulf of Mexico for Oil and Natural Gas Exploration and Development
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021896005
Eighteen leading environmental groups demand an end to Obama's "all of the above" energy strategy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101683340
Response to woo me with science (Reply #15)
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)post that "propaganda" in every thread?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024512367#post4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024505179#post14
If you do, and I come across it, I'll post this:
From your last link
In addition, all of the above leaves the American people holding the bag of drinking water contamination in our communities, crude oil pipeline bursts in our neighborhoods, toxic chemicals in our air, fracking groundwater accidents across the nation, oil spills in our precious Arctic waters and in our seafood-rich Gulf, carcinogenic dumping in our community waters, mountaintop removal across the Appalachians, historic coal ash spills, and more.
Yes, environmentalists are against the all of the above strategy.
Environmentalists, however, do recognize progress when they see it.
Washington, D.C.
The following is a statement from Earthjustice President Trip Van Noppen in response to President Obamas State of the Union Address:
We are encouraged that President Obama made climate change a centerpiece of his speech tonight. We applaud his commitment to facing this challenge, for the benefit of our children and grandchildren.
President Obama has taken courageous actions so far to back this commitment. His leadership in achieving strong clean car standards has been a huge accomplishment, and we are thrilled with his leadership in tackling carbon pollution from power plants, the nations largest source of climate change pollution. And tonight, the President went further and affirmed that we cant allow destructive energy development on our pristine public lands.
The success of the Presidents climate plan and our children's future depends on viewing all fossil fuels decisions through the lens of climate impacts, as the president has said he would do for the Keystone XL pipeline. Those agencies responsible for drilling off our coasts, fracking, mountaintop removal, and fossil fuel exports have to prioritize climate change just as the EPA is doing, and the President needs to ensure that they do.
An all-of-the-above energy strategy cannot work for the Presidents own climate action plan and the climate vision he espoused tonight. All energy sources were not created equal. Clean energy is better for our families, communities, future generations, and American competitiveness. The United States should be placing our bets on 'best of the above,' not 'all of the above.' The President rightly called out the need to invest in solar energy that can power our homes and our economy rather than fossil fuels.
- more -
http://earthjustice.org/news/press/2014/earthjustice-statement-on-president-obama-s-state-of-the-union-address
As for the Keystone report, here is the assessment unskewed:
350.org co-founder Bill McKibben issued the following statement this afternoon in response to the latest State Department environmental impact statement on the Keystone XL pipeline:
The intrusion of reality into this process is really important. The report concluded that in a scenario where we take climate change seriously and regulate climate pollution, this pipeline will indeed have a significant impact on climate change. So now well find out if thats the world Barack Obama and John Kerry want. This report gives President Obama everything he needs in order to block this project. This is the first environmental issue in years to bring Americans into the streets in big numbers, and now theyll be there in ever greater numbers to make sure the President makes the right call.
http://350.org/press-release/bill-mckibben-reacts-to-latest-keystone-xl-environmental-impact-statement/
That's the third statement from environmentalists rejecting the media spin.
NRDC: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024423143#post4
Michael Brune: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024423143#post5
pa28
(6,145 posts)So as Wolf Blitzer would say; "Well there you have it. The debate continues".
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)It's back to normal now, but we still don't have anywhere near the usual amount of snow.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)I remember winters where 40 below in February was the norm. This week so far, it was 26 below this morning, 4 below now, clouding up (which makes it warmer, traps heat) and going to 10 above tomorrow. There was an article from the UAF Geophysical Institute about the changes in plant growth in previously "stunted growth" areas: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/node/1667
Scary, you bet.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)Heaven knows, we have plenty of snow. Got 4 more inches yesterday. I'd hate to break up the "traditional" start on 4th and the restart in Wasilla, though - the restart isn't too far from my big brother's house, and he'd be upset (he's on one of the trail committees).
I can promise good coffee!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)for the restart but don't know about lodging. We might be able to stay with my son-in-law's sister who lives up there, or we might just blow off the restart since we'll be going out to Nome anyway. They're saying they'll be able to pull off the ceremonial start on 4th Ave. but they're more worried about the conditions between Willow and the first few checkpoints, Dalzell Gorge, etc.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)I wouldn't want to do it. No way. I'd worry about the dog's feet too much! Suggestion re: lodging if you decide to come; there's a couple of "residence" type motels where you can cook in-room, etc. Or contact the Yukon Quest office; they may have a list of place that are reasonable or folks willing to provide a room. I'd offer, but I'm in a teeny, tiny cabin that we can barely move around in!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)and don't apologize about your cabin. If we go, I'm sure Jody would put us up. It's a long drive up there, but we'd have all day Sunday to do it since they wouldn't be starting until Monday. We're still debating pros and cons.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Friends who drive to Healy pretty much daily say watch for the black ice and you'll be ok. Who knows what the blasted weather will do between now and then - we could have a hurricane!
DU mail me if you're going to make it - that offer for coffee stands as solid as the burl in Nome!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Problem solved. Would you like me to send you a link to my I'rod photos when I get them posted at my website after the race?
raven mad
(4,940 posts)I'm glad they're keeping it in Willow - I like the traditional stuff, too. I was actually at the start of the first Iditarod in Anchorage (at a much younger age than I am now)!! I'll keep the link on my favorites bar!
Bandit
(21,475 posts)I know wind chill doesn't mean anything but it is making the news. Supposedly a new record.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)It's up in the Brooks Range:
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)We've been breaking all kinds of records over the last four or five years.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)JCMach1
(27,566 posts)you may not have had the worst yet...
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)From World Wildlife Fund, Threats to Polar Bears:
Polar bears rely on sea ice to hunt and store energy for the summer and autumn, when food is scarce.
Sea ice now melts earlier in the spring and forms later in the autumn in the bears southern range, like the Hudson and James Bays of Canada.
As the bears spend longer periods without food, their health declines.
Unhealthy bears can lead to lower reproduction rates and local extinction.
&feature
Current bear populations
20-25,000polar bears worldwide
~19 distinct sub-populations (see map below)
60-80%of polar bears are in Canada
Status by country
International: Vulnerable
Canada (COSEWIC): Special Concern
Greenland / Denmark: Vulnerable
Norway: Vulnerable
Russia: Uncertain, Rare, and Rehabilitated/Rehabilitating
United States: Threatened
ProSense
(116,464 posts)do something about it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024497062
Agony
(2,605 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)submit multiple individual comments with a separate theme per comment so that different reasons why NOT approving KXL is in the National Interest are considered separately.
Frame your comments as being/not being in the National Interest because this comment period is a NID (National Interest Determination). President Obama's public speakings are a great source for comment themes as he has made numerous statements on how KXL is not in the national interest.
see the DKos link in the post above for more...
Agony
(2,605 posts)The cold December and cold start to January follows a year in which record daily lows in the continental U.S. outnumbered record daily highs for the first time in 20 years. On a global level, though, 2013 was probably one of the 5 warmest years on record.