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warrior1

(12,325 posts)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:21 PM Mar 2012

FCC decision strikes critical blow to right-wing radio dominance

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/20/fcc-decision-strikes-critical-blow-to-right-wing-radio-dominance/

A Federal Communications Commission (FCC) decision issued Monday (PDF) will clear the runway for hundreds of new community radio stations that broadcast on low-power FM signals, bringing progressive, community voices to urban areas that have for decades only known what’s being broadcast by major corporations and America’s political right.

In other words, the dismantling of Rush Limbaugh was just the beginning, and the whole FM dial is next.

The FCC’s decision on Monday wipes away a massive backlog of applications for FM repeater stations, which are transmitters that repeat signals broadcast by corporate radio operators — all of which rake in big dollars from the most popular right-wing syndicated talk shows going.
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FCC decision strikes critical blow to right-wing radio dominance (Original Post) warrior1 Mar 2012 OP
This is a great turn around from what Powell did under Bush and will get the media in balance. Good. freshwest Mar 2012 #1
this is AWESOME samsingh Mar 2012 #2
This is good news. SalviaBlue Mar 2012 #3
It's about time. I stopped listening to talk radio. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #4
This does make me smile, TY :). n/t arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #5
Excellent! K&R n/t myrna minx Mar 2012 #6
Is this real? Waiting for radio people to weigh in. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #7
I sure hope this isn't their way of letting corporations roll over the existing noncommercial statio Gregorian Mar 2012 #8
Yup, still off. KamaAina Mar 2012 #10
Point of clarification KamaAina Mar 2012 #23
Thanks for that update Gregorian Mar 2012 #43
This does nothing to stem the tide of RW Radio !!! aggiesal Mar 2012 #9
Yes but... kaffy4x4 Mar 2012 #12
100 ft.??? I couldn't even talk to my next door neighbor. The Wielding Truth Mar 2012 #14
Actually FM is more like 10 miles out from the transmitter, depending on terrain and antenna height. RC Mar 2012 #17
Okay. That's a little better. Thanks for the info. The Wielding Truth Mar 2012 #33
DemocracyNow, at least years ago, would allow you to rebroadcast shcrane71 Mar 2012 #20
100ft for a 10W signal? Don't think so. Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #22
Here you go. aggiesal Mar 2012 #29
Thanks Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #35
A half-watt FRS radio is suppose to go up to 2 miles. Those are UHF FM radios. n/t krispos42 Mar 2012 #38
I'm just stating aggiesal Mar 2012 #40
Now now... MustBeTheBooz Mar 2012 #24
My contention has always been . . . aggiesal Mar 2012 #30
Look at DemocracyNow!'s list of broadcasters. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #44
K and R nt Stuart G Mar 2012 #11
HOORAH!!! Although I wonder if radio is obsolete Zalatix Mar 2012 #13
Because we all know the name of the biggest internet talk show host. Tunkamerica Mar 2012 #16
True, but the Young Turks isn't all that obscure. Zalatix Mar 2012 #18
Leo Laporte Occulus Mar 2012 #51
truthfully that is underwhelming. never heard of him or the show. Tunkamerica Mar 2012 #54
COULDN'T THIS BACKFIRE? What's to keep right wingers from doing this too? Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #15
"What's to keep right wingers from doing this too?" tex-wyo-dem Mar 2012 #26
In the end it will be about what people want to listen too... PoliticAverse Mar 2012 #27
I researched the LPFM licenses in Nebraska and surrounding states a few years back. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #45
I don't see how. The wingers already have 99% of the airwaves Doctor_J Mar 2012 #47
Start preparing your applications for Low Power FM! shcrane71 Mar 2012 #19
This could be as big as Cable Access TV! nt HomerRamone Mar 2012 #21
Is that suppose to be sarcasm? aggiesal Mar 2012 #31
It Sounds All Good colsohlibgal Mar 2012 #25
I can relate gejohnston Mar 2012 #42
Do not jump to a quick conclusion randr Mar 2012 #28
Great news. sarcasmo Mar 2012 #32
Sorry to burst this bubble, but "AM Hate Radio" has little to do with the morning hours (AM) DemoTex Mar 2012 #34
I believe you're correct. The AM airwaves won't be affected. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #36
The dismantling of Rush Limbaugh? eyewall Mar 2012 #37
All i know is they have added three Christian stations here in about a year. glinda Mar 2012 #39
They do seem to be popping up a lot lately. progressoid Mar 2012 #41
I can't believe the hate that is disseminated from the low-power religious stations. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #46
OMG!! Big Radio has long hated this and battled to prevent.... Evasporque Mar 2012 #48
Vaguely related mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2012 #49
it sure warrior1 Mar 2012 #50
Radio? That's either bad music or someone yelling about liburls, right? nt valerief Mar 2012 #52
It could also be a boon to the RW nuts. After all dont forget there are plenty of them who cstanleytech Mar 2012 #53

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
1. This is a great turn around from what Powell did under Bush and will get the media in balance. Good.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:23 PM
Mar 2012

Best news I've heard all week.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
8. I sure hope this isn't their way of letting corporations roll over the existing noncommercial statio
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:40 PM
Mar 2012

I hope this isn't bad news in disguise. KUSF is off the air (have not checked recent status to confirm), having been bought by some company. That was a college station. There were others on the block. I think KTRU.

To go about face in just a year seems odd to me. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
10. Yup, still off.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 04:22 PM
Mar 2012


But they're still trying to fight the actual license transfer.

http://www.savekusf.org

Meanwhile, there's KUSF-In-Exile:

http://www.savekusf.org/kusf-in-exile

Disclaimer: I was on it Thursday night.
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
23. Point of clarification
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:44 PM
Mar 2012

KUSF, which is/was on an educational frequency, was not actually bought by a company (Entercom). The company that ran the commercial classical station in the Bay Area sold out to Entercom; USF then transferred the KUSF license to the USC public radio network (for a hefty fee), so as to keep classical on the air.

So basically, USF sold out to another university rather than a company. Big woo.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
43. Thanks for that update
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:35 AM
Mar 2012

I'm still listening to the live365 stream. But it appears to be a loop. That's the bad part. The good part is no PSA's (spam), and no other stuff that bugs the crap out of me. Can you tell I've been listening to college radio for 30 years? The first 20 were pure bliss. The last ten have had me searching for European radio stations. I hate psa's and obsessive station id's. But I digress.

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
9. This does nothing to stem the tide of RW Radio !!!
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 04:20 PM
Mar 2012

RW Radio dominate both AM and FM high power frequencies.
AM side they have most if not all 50,000+W frequencies, and
on the FM side they broadcast on 100,000W signals.
These signals can travel 100's of miles, reaching millions of
potential listeners.

Mean while LPFM will allow you a 10W FM signal that should broadcast about 100 ft.
The signal strength alone will limit the number of potential listeners to the
hundreds maybe thousands if your lucky.
LPFM is supposed to be only used by schools, non-profit organization,
or other non-profit that qualifies for an FCC NCE (Non commercial educational)
construction permit and license.

And if you're going non-profit, you won't be able to carry the big shows
like Ed Schutz, Mike Malloy or Randy Rhodes. You might be able to carry
the Thom Hartmann, & Democracy Now shows. But that's pretty much it.

I don't see how this could possibly benefit progressives.

kaffy4x4

(49 posts)
12. Yes but...
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 05:24 PM
Mar 2012

It's the repeaters that are not going to be dominated any longer by the "big boys"...that's the really huge news. The sewing up of the repeaters is what gives Limbaugh and his ilk a clear signal all across the country, when other stations fade the further your away from them.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
17. Actually FM is more like 10 miles out from the transmitter, depending on terrain and antenna height.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 06:19 PM
Mar 2012

That 100,000 watt is misleading. That is the ERP, Effective Radiated Power. The transmitter itself is normal only 5 to 10,000 watts. The antenna beams the signal into a donut shape put from the antenna, so it does not radiate up into space or down into the ground where there are no listeners.

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
20. DemocracyNow, at least years ago, would allow you to rebroadcast
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 06:37 PM
Mar 2012

at a minimal fee. Build your own local programming like WORT in Madison did. You may be able to get rebroadcast permission from some of their great shows such as Queery. Look to other community stations near when you live, and see if they would be willing to allow some of their shows to be rebroadcasted -- especially, any local news shows.

LPFM is exactly the start that many communities need.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
22. 100ft for a 10W signal? Don't think so.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:37 PM
Mar 2012

I can get 100 ft. for transmitters that I build myself that operate at ONE watt.

With a properly designed antenna at the right height, 10W can cover an entire town of over 20,000 people.

Not sure where you get this "100 ft." figure.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
35. Thanks
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 09:23 PM
Mar 2012

As far as I can see, "HAAT" numbers refer to a certain non-interfering distance from primary licensed FM transmitters, NOT the 'reach' of a low-power FM transmitter.

Trust me, 10W is PLENTY of power to reach everyone in full, high-quality FM stereo for an entire town within boundaries of 10 miles or so, even with ordinary receivers.

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
40. I'm just stating
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 10:34 PM
Mar 2012

what the expert site is stating.
It appears that these are the signals that the FCC
is granting licenses for, LP-100 stations.

aggiesal

(8,923 posts)
30. My contention has always been . . .
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 08:44 PM
Mar 2012

that if you want to compete against the big boys,
you have to play with the big boys.

We need the big liberal money boys to start investing and either
lease or purchase the big AM & FM signals, and start competing
with the big ClearChannel, Premier Networks . . . RW boys.
They seem to control all the high power frequencies.

LPFM is laughable.

It's designed strictly to broadcast to a small community.
If you get more then 2 miles out of the signal I'd be surprised,
although apparently if you put the source on a hill, you might
get up to 5-10 miles.

Again, since it's only for non-profits, and schools, how good could
the signal be?

And forget about local programming. You'll need to pay the hosts
for any local show.

And since it non-profit, the audience will have to kick in some pledge
money, just like NPR stations. And liberals don't give up their money
very easy.

How long do you think a station will broadcast without any money?
Someone has to pay at least the electric bill.

This is designed to work for small audiences only.

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
44. Look at DemocracyNow!'s list of broadcasters.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:33 AM
Mar 2012

There are numerous cities where the only left-of-center news is coming from DemocracyNow! being broadcast on cable's community channels. There's generally a small group of very dedicated people behind the push to get DemocracyNow! on those cable channels.

The demand and the people are in these communities to move over to the radio bands -- which have been monopolized in these communities. If a community is large enough to have a cable station, there may be the population density that will support a low power station. Once a listener base is created, more people will donate to the station, and a license for a larger signal can be applied for.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
16. Because we all know the name of the biggest internet talk show host.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 06:08 PM
Mar 2012

Or any internet talk show host.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
18. True, but the Young Turks isn't all that obscure.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 06:20 PM
Mar 2012

I've seen college kids with TYT Nation buttons a few times on the streets.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
51. Leo Laporte
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:16 AM
Mar 2012

Owner and founder of the TWiT network (twit.tv). His shows are the go-to tech shows; his "Macbreak Weekly" (I think that's the name) has more listeners than the official Apple magazine has subscribers.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
54. truthfully that is underwhelming. never heard of him or the show.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:00 PM
Mar 2012

Marc Maron and Chris Hardwick are the only podcasters I know and I expect most don't even know them.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
15. COULDN'T THIS BACKFIRE? What's to keep right wingers from doing this too?
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 06:00 PM
Mar 2012

Worse, the more there are, the less possible it would be to regulate content abuse.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
26. "What's to keep right wingers from doing this too?"
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:53 PM
Mar 2012

That's part of the beauty of this decision...anyone (yes, even RWers) can apply for a license. The criteria is that your group or company has to be independent (not part of a larger conglomerate) and non-profit. The "non-profit" part is what will keep a lot of RWers away since in their world, if you can't make a profit at it why do it.

As far as content abuse: The FCC will still regulate each and every station since they are occupying public frequencies.

The best part of this is that it will open up the airwaves to a diversity of content, not dominated solely by RW talk and megacorporations.

This is always the way PUBLIC airwaves were meant to be.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
27. In the end it will be about what people want to listen too...
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 08:03 PM
Mar 2012

You can expand the things people can listen to but you can't make people listen to things they don't want to.


shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
45. I researched the LPFM licenses in Nebraska and surrounding states a few years back.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:35 AM
Mar 2012

Almost all of them went to religious groups.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
47. I don't see how. The wingers already have 99% of the airwaves
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:45 AM
Mar 2012

The potential for it getting worse is minimal, while the potential for improvement is vast.

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
19. Start preparing your applications for Low Power FM!
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 06:33 PM
Mar 2012

For many of the best community radio stations in the Midwest, LPFM is how these stations started broadcasting (usually in the 1970s).

I believe, DemocracyNow! will allow LPFM stations to rebroadcast their shows with little or no fee. Think about what your hometown, or rural community would be like with real news.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
25. It Sounds All Good
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
Mar 2012

I hope it does break apart the right wing hate spewing, maybe just to the left of Hitler, radio monopoly on FM. AM seems hopeless for now.

When I go up and down my AM dial here in central Ohio in the afternoon I hear Rush, Rush, and more Rush....most of it from 2 bit radio stations in smaller towns. The brainwashing convincing people without a pot to pee in to vote for conservatives, who only care about millionaires, in full bloom.

As for radio in general, many figured TV would be the death of it and they were wrong, it's here 60+ years later. Radio keeps adapting.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
42. I can relate
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
Mar 2012

last time I went back to Wyoming to visit family, my choices were Rush (not the band) and WPR/NPR. I listened to a lot of classical music. The locally owned rural community radio station that played all the music for everyone (as in Rufus, Johnny Cash, and Deep Purple in the same hour. Yeah, I showed my age.) became just another cog in corporate hate radio. If this brings back local community radio, fantastic.

randr

(12,414 posts)
28. Do not jump to a quick conclusion
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mar 2012

The number of available band widths in any area is a complex issue, dependent on population, topography, existing licenses,and more.
For decades small community stations, which are far more numerous than many think, have battled for these frequencies seeking broader audiences and providing community access to towns unserved. The large market stations along with broadcasting organizations have had the upper hand in locating and filing on frequencies as they come available.
Here in Colorado public/communtiy radio stations are present everywhere. Small stations have even had to compete with the state licensed KCFR , the first public/NPR station in the state based in Denver, for needed repeater signals in the far reaches of the state. KCFR had empire in mind with a state wide system and at first had a dismissive attitude to many small community stations.
The numbers of low power will, as stated, increase and this is a very good aspect of this FCC move.
I also suspect it will make it harder for the smaller stations to stop the Clear Channel moguls from gobbling up the remaining frequencies.

DemoTex

(25,400 posts)
34. Sorry to burst this bubble, but "AM Hate Radio" has little to do with the morning hours (AM)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 09:05 PM
Mar 2012

Ru$h and his ilk predominate on AM radio (amplitude modulation). While a few FM (frequency modulation) stations carry Ru$h, et. al., this FCC regulatory action appears to be additive for the FM bands, but not subtractive in the "Domain of Ru$h" - AM radio. Or did I miss something?

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
36. I believe you're correct. The AM airwaves won't be affected.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 09:51 PM
Mar 2012

LPAM stations can be created without a license, but the range can't go over a very large radius (I believe 1 mile).

eyewall

(674 posts)
37. The dismantling of Rush Limbaugh?
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 10:06 PM
Mar 2012

Has he been dismantled? I thought he was still broadcasting his regular schedule. I read the article about Premier telling all the stations that they would not send any national ads for two weeks. I took that to mean they'd begin again after they signed up some new sponsors. Meanwhile the propaganda bloviator continues to spew his bile afaik.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
39. All i know is they have added three Christian stations here in about a year.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 10:14 PM
Mar 2012

They are on either side of like MPR/NPR.

progressoid

(49,998 posts)
41. They do seem to be popping up a lot lately.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 11:12 PM
Mar 2012

I do a fair amount of driving and it seems like I'm running into more every time I go out. And especially in the lower frequencies.

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
46. I can't believe the hate that is disseminated from the low-power religious stations.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:40 AM
Mar 2012

They bring on RW religious leaders who discuss everything from US foreign, economic policies, and domestic policies -- all the while demonizing non-Christian religions with the exception of Jewish Zionism.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
48. OMG!! Big Radio has long hated this and battled to prevent....
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:47 AM
Mar 2012

This started in Clinton years...yes!! Community RADIO!!!!


I am so excited!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,600 posts)
49. Vaguely related
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:37 AM
Mar 2012

From today's http://dcrtv.com:

Positive Alternative Sells Translators - 3/21 - Blackburg VA's Positive Alternative Radio, which runs Christian contemporary "Virginia's Positive Hits" WPER, 89.9 FM, in Culpeper/Warrenton/Manassas and WJYJ, 90.5 FM, in Fredericksburg, sells its FM translators in Front Royal and Williamsburg to Lynchburg's Liberty University for $2,000.....

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
53. It could also be a boon to the RW nuts. After all dont forget there are plenty of them who
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:06 PM
Mar 2012

probably would be willing to shell out the cash to run their own station to spew forth their nutty beliefs that Obama is a secret muslim bent on implementing sharia law or that his birth certificate is a fake and him being a citizen is a massive coverup.

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