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Laxman

(2,419 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:24 AM Feb 2014

U.S. Attorney’s Trail Shows Hoboken Charges More Serious

Last edited Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:37 PM - Edit history (2)

For those of you who are getting tired of "Bridgegate" and I have to admit, I am feeling a bit of scandal fatigue myself, hang in there. I've been saying that the bridge is nothing more in the larger picture than the reason to start turning over the rocks and looking for what comes scurrying out. And we've got a whole lot of things running in all directions right now. Just the fact that the Christie Crime Digest has 25 seperate entries and is growing should demonstrate that. But Christie is in trouble, and its not because of the bridge, and no matter where you live, you should be paying attention.

An interesting article from the NJ policy news site N.J. Spotlight today contains this excerpt:


O’Connor noted that the misallocation of federal money, particularly in amounts totally more than $10,000, is illegal. That is important because the Port Authority, whose allocation of funding to projects favored by the Christie administration, receives sizable amounts of federal money, and because federal Sandy aid played a central role in both the Hoboken case and the controversial construction of a senior citizen center in Belleville, which suffered little Sandy damage, as an alleged inducement to the mayor to endorse Christie for reelection.

If Sandy money was misallocated for political purposes, the check itself would constitute evidence of federal wire fraud, O’Connor said, as would any improper orders communicated by telephone. Almost half of Blagojevich’s conviction counts were for wire fraud.


or this interesting excerpt relating to the abuse of power that is apparently (I know its not just apparent) in the Christie administration.

“Clearly, there’s something wrong here. The charges in all of these cases involve abuses of power, generally for political purposes,” Del Tufo said.

Del Tufo noted that public officials could be found guilty of violating the Hobbs Act of 1951 – which, like RICO, was originally enacted to crack down on labor racketeers -- for obtaining a payment or benefit to which they were not entitled. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Hobbs Act’s “under color of official right provision does not require that the public official take steps to induce the extortionate payment: It can be said that ‘the coercive element is provided by the public office itself’” -- in this case, the perceived power of the governor’s office.



You can read the full article here: http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/14/02/05/analysis-u-s-attorney-s-trail-shows-hoboken-charges-more-serious/?p=2

For people who live outside of NJ, you may think that this is of little or no importance to you. However, I disagree. Anytime powerful people are called to account for their abuse of power, especially when they seemed unassailable, it is a lesson to others. How many people here from Wisconsin would like to see a similar probe of Governor Walker and who doesn't think similar abuses wouldn't show up? We've seen what happened to McDonnell in Virginia. Fill in the name and state of your republican controlled location here________ and you can bet that you wish that something like this was going on there right now. And you can also bet that the toxic combination of corporate special interests and arrogant government is producing similar results.

So here in NJ, Christie became so enamored with himself and felt so untouchable that he let his ego and his thirst for power and control get the better of him. In short, hubris should be his middle name. It took a stupid stunt to expose all of the other things that have come to light. Let this be a lesson to those of you hoping for a way to level the playing field in your states. We're lucky to have a strong press corps here and even though they are much weaker than in the past, they're doing their jobs. But this roll call of abuse is simply disgusting, and unfortunately damaging in the long-term.

Its going to be Sandy money and abuse of power that will take Christie down in the end. It will have been started by the bridge caper, but that was an incident better suited for mass media consumption than the policy wonk stuff hidden in the weeds. But those policy failings and abuses are the really destructive things and what will ultimately be his undoing. So no matter where you may be from, it pays to stay interested, not just because Christie had national aspirations or just on the general principal that he's a jerk and gets what he deserves, but because this is what we need to hold our government accountable. Besides, Sandy money represents your tax dollars too.
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U.S. Attorney’s Trail Shows Hoboken Charges More Serious (Original Post) Laxman Feb 2014 OP
Good read, excellent post and information. SummerSnow Feb 2014 #1
I'm not tired in the least malaise Feb 2014 #2
I'm finding this all so fascinating, as an ex-Jerseyan LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #3
Christie's story is very important to me because as it unfolds it peels back Ninga Feb 2014 #4
That Is Very Well Said... Laxman Feb 2014 #6
Thanks ever so much! Low information voters are really disinterested voters with Ninga Feb 2014 #7
I Teach A Class... Laxman Feb 2014 #16
I couldn't agree more! Dread Pirate Roberts Feb 2014 #5
We in Michigan dream of such things! JNelson6563 Feb 2014 #8
That's Exactly Why... Laxman Feb 2014 #9
I couldn't agree more! JNelson6563 Feb 2014 #10
The new Sandy spending plan is out Dread Pirate Roberts Feb 2014 #11
One thing is sure. That big asshole won't be able to spend a penny.... Walk away Feb 2014 #22
The drips are starting to add up Christie is toast if he gamed the money... Historic NY Feb 2014 #12
They Wanted Total Control.... Laxman Feb 2014 #13
I've got a Golden Ticket! lobodons Feb 2014 #14
I Don't Care If He Goes To Prison... Laxman Feb 2014 #15
I hope he does time.It could go a long way towards what used to be "the public hanging in the square libdem4life Feb 2014 #17
Thanks, Laxman RobertEarl Feb 2014 #18
k&r... spanone Feb 2014 #19
Mahalo, Lax.. certainly payting Attention to all this out here in Hawaii! Cha Feb 2014 #20
Dawn Zimmer is going to walk away a hero from this mess. Walk away Feb 2014 #21
I Believe That Is Correct.... Laxman Feb 2014 #23

malaise

(269,193 posts)
2. I'm not tired in the least
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:28 AM
Feb 2014

Rachel had a great program last night. She pointed out that Bridget Kelly had not received a subpoena from the Feds but that Christie's office received one - she believes that it is the Sandy money they're after.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024446943

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
3. I'm finding this all so fascinating, as an ex-Jerseyan
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:34 AM
Feb 2014

It's nice to see some of the corrupt politicians in NJ getting investigated, although I'm sure this is just a few drops in the giant slop bucket that is NJ politics.

Ninga

(8,277 posts)
4. Christie's story is very important to me because as it unfolds it peels back
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:47 AM
Feb 2014

layer after layer of the ugly underbelly of Christie the bully, Christie the narcissist, Christie the control freak - and how the public bought everything he fed them.

Until a majority of voters in this country develop critical thinking skills, there will always be a place at the political table for the Christies of this world...

Just shame on the Dems in New Jersey.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
6. That Is Very Well Said...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:54 AM
Feb 2014

and underlies much of my outrage and anger at this administration here in NJ. I have the misfortune of knowing this guy and have been trying to explain his character and these principals of governing to people since he first ran.

Until a majority of voters in this country develop critical thinking skills, there will always be a place at the political table for the Christies of this world...


Amen to that!

Ninga

(8,277 posts)
7. Thanks ever so much! Low information voters are really disinterested voters with
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 11:09 AM
Feb 2014

the largest egos and biggest opinions...

Civic Engagement Leads to Civic Responsibility.....or should



Laxman

(2,419 posts)
16. I Teach A Class...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 08:39 PM
Feb 2014

at a local university where we cover the structure of government as part of the course. Not one single kid could name their state assemblymen, their state senator, their congressman or the two U.S. senators! I ask that question as a matter of routine on the first day of class. This was the first time I had an 0-fer. How can you get involved and work for change if you don't know the basic contact points?

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
5. I couldn't agree more!
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:50 AM
Feb 2014

This is a lesson for people everywhere. Anytime there is a take down of the arrogant and powerful its a good day. I would love to see that asshat Scott Walker face the same treatment!

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
9. That's Exactly Why...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 11:49 AM
Feb 2014

this is important beyond NJ! From this vantage point, it appears that there are some equally rotten things taking place in Michigan. You need to be encouraged by what is going on here in NJ because, no matter what the outcome, the light that has been turned on.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
11. The new Sandy spending plan is out
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:30 PM
Feb 2014

It seems that they haven't learned their lessons yet. Another $5 million for tourism advertising. Does this mean more Christie family on the beach commercials? Maybe they can jazz it up by having George Costanza come by and pull a Titleist out of his blow hole!

New Sandy aid spending plan draws criticism

The state Monday released its plan for spending more than $1.46 billion in long-awaited federal funding for victims of Hurricane Sandy amid mounting criticism over how well and how fairly the money is being distributed.

The proposal pours hundreds of million of dollars into existing housing recovery programs with lengthy waiting lists and creates infrastructure programs aimed at mitigating flooding and hardening energy systems. It also sets aside $5 million for a tourism marketing campaign and provides $10 million for demolishing dilapidated homes.


http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/02/chris_christie_sandy_spending_plan.html

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
22. One thing is sure. That big asshole won't be able to spend a penny....
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 07:32 AM
Feb 2014

ever again without the press reporting on it. That basically pulls his teeth in the state. I wonder how much $$$ the Kochs are willing to part with to keep his national hopes alive for a while.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
12. The drips are starting to add up Christie is toast if he gamed the money...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:56 PM
Feb 2014

and its beginning to look like it was play to get paid.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
13. They Wanted Total Control....
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:03 PM
Feb 2014

of the Sandy money so badly. The governor's office resisted all attempts to provide rational guidance or common sense principals to determine how to spend this tremendous pot of money. They were so certain of their superior ability to handle everything. Well they got what they wanted and it looks like it will come back to bite them.

Of course, their arrogance and lack of morals and ethics have played a part in this as well.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
14. I've got a Golden Ticket!
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 01:13 PM
Feb 2014

A Golden Ticket to the Federal Penitentiary!

"I’ve got this thing and it’s fuck­ing golden, and, uh, uh, I’m just not giving it up for fuckin’ noth­ing. I’m not gonna do it."

Looks more and more like Christie is taking the Blago path to an Orange Jumpsuit.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
15. I Don't Care If He Goes To Prison...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:35 PM
Feb 2014

or not. I just want him and his entire crew gone. Its like a a bunch of thugs just came in and took over state government, from top to bottom. There were always political deals being made. Its the way of the world. This has been a particularly dark period in NJ's history. Every one of the crew that has been traveling with him for years is rotten to the core. They all need to go.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
17. I hope he does time.It could go a long way towards what used to be "the public hanging in the square
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:15 AM
Feb 2014

as a lesson to others who might be dissuaded or otherwise inclined to try the same thing. It's called Zero Tolerance for fraud, corruption, pay to play, et al at the public trough.

Also, it might put crooked government/elected hookers nationally on notice...there, but for the fleeting ignorance of the public, go I.

It's orange jump suit time. Fraud. Clean House.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Thanks, Laxman
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:35 AM
Feb 2014

Yours are the only NJ reports I read.

Sad, isn't it, that something like this could go on for so long and no one pay the price. How much has gone on and never uncovered?!?

Lots.

So here we are, someone finally got caught, maybe. But they will just get a slap, keep some of the money and find a new gig. Such as it has been for the 50 years I've been looking at the world.

What we need is a million more like you. Good luck raising them. As you said; first time with students you pulled a zero.

Cha

(297,734 posts)
20. Mahalo, Lax.. certainly payting Attention to all this out here in Hawaii!
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:17 AM
Feb 2014
"O’Connor noted that the misallocation of federal money, particularly in amounts totally more than $10,000, is illegal. That is important because the Port Authority, whose allocation of funding to projects favored by the Christie administration, receives sizable amounts of federal money, and because federal Sandy aid played a central role in both the Hoboken case and the controversial construction of a senior citizen center in Belleville, which suffered little Sandy damage, as an alleged inducement to the mayor to endorse Christie for reelection."

that's a brilliant article, Laxman.. Mahalo! It's going to take some time to digest but I wanted to kick this thread NOW!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
21. Dawn Zimmer is going to walk away a hero from this mess.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 07:26 AM
Feb 2014

You have to be pretty brave to stand up against the biggest, meanest crooks in the state. The Bridgegate scandal made it possible for her to come forward and state her case and be heard. Without all of the attention from the bridge, Hoboken would be left destroyed and in debt, cheated out out recovery money because it's mayor tried to run an honest government with the needs and wants of her constituents coming first.

When people ask what took her so long, I remember back before the lane closings when anyone daring to question Christie was swiftly punished. How much more abuse could the city of Hoboken withstand? It was the perfect opportunity to get the truth out and it worked.

Unlike everyone who works for Governor Christie, Dawn Zimmer isn't greedy for money or power. She has a reputation for being honest and forthright (even Christie's people can't find an instance of bad behavior in high school to report about). The people of Hoboken suffered greatly during and after the storm and the city deserves it's fair share of help.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
23. I Believe That Is Correct....
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:47 AM
Feb 2014

unless you have been in a situation like hers, unless you have both understood what it is like to have the responsibility for a community, faced the magnitude of damage and recover that she currently does, and are apparently powerless against an administration with near total control over the means of your recovery and the intention to use that power to manipulate you, you can't judge when or how she should have reacted.

You have to be pretty brave to stand up against the biggest, meanest crooks in the state. The Bridgegate scandal made it possible for her to come forward and state her case and be heard. Without all of the attention from the bridge, Hoboken would be left destroyed and in debt, cheated out out recovery money because it's mayor tried to run an honest government with the needs and wants of her constituents coming first.


That is an excellent and accurate assessment.
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