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tosh

(4,424 posts)
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 06:47 PM Feb 2014

Trick Websites Dupe Democrats Into Donating To Republicans | ThinkProgress

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/03/3242381/republicans-trick-voters-donating-democratic-candidates/


The National Republican Congressional Committee has set up a number of websites that look like they could be a Democratic candidate’s campaign page, unless you read the fine print. They may even violate a Federal Election Commission regulation, Campaign Legal Center expert Paul S. Ryan explained to ThinkProgress.

The NRCC has set up these pages for various congressional opponents, including Amanda Renteria (CA), Martha Roberston (NY), Kyrsten Sinema (AZ), Ann Kirkpatrick (AZ), Alex Sink (FL), and John Tierney (MA). Each follow a similar format; they list the candidate’s name “for Congress” to ask for donations:



According to Ryan, the websites appear to violate a Federal Election Commission regulation prohibiting political committees and parties from using a candidate’s name in special projects. The FEC considers websites, including microsites, a special project falling under this rule. The only exception is when the site makes it unambiguously clear it is opposed to the candidate. In Ryan’s opinion, the page set up under Tierney’s name “does not unambiguously show opposition to Tierney.” However, he noted, the FEC is “not a nimble organization” and it can take two years to complete an investigation, well past election day.

Ray Bellamy of Florida says he was tricked by the page and accidentally made a donation to the NRCC. “It looked legitimate and had a smiling face of Sink and all the trappings of a legitimate site,” Bellamy told the Tampa Bay Times. The look-alike page uses the same colors as Florida candidate Alex Sink’s campaign, with the URL sinkrocongress2014.com. Once entering information, the person is redirected to an NRCC thank-you page.

More at link --- but just a little.
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Trick Websites Dupe Democrats Into Donating To Republicans | ThinkProgress (Original Post) tosh Feb 2014 OP
Not only does this thinkprogress article get the URL totally wrong... Systematic Chaos Feb 2014 #1
I agree about the poor writing but ya gotta love these pugs, they are always thinking of winstars Feb 2014 #2
but the site is sink FOR congress 2014. unblock Feb 2014 #4
Partisan Republicans regard Democracy as a game. Nothing more. Beartracks Feb 2014 #13
It is time for some litigation Gothmog Feb 2014 #3
Good News, NRCC is going to give back contributions Gothmog Feb 2014 #5
Wow! That was really fast! tosh Feb 2014 #6
They can "say" they will refund the contribs but doing it is something else. lpbk2713 Feb 2014 #8
Slimy and illegal is the name of the game with the Pugs AllyCat Feb 2014 #7
The rackos (right wing wackos) depend on tricking credulous people. rafeh1 Feb 2014 #9
Charge them with crimes for this. Coyotl Feb 2014 #10
Republicans don't CARE if they violate the law. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #11
Juanita Jean is calling out the GOP for this deceptive tactic Gothmog Feb 2014 #12
Chrome browser now reports contribute.sinkforcongress2014.com was reported as a phishing site! progree Feb 2014 #14
These websites are illegal Gothmog Feb 2014 #15
The GOP/NRCC is worried and have changed the donations page for these fraudulent websites Gothmog Feb 2014 #16
CREW is filing an ethics complaint against the Repugs using one of these fake websites Gothmog Mar 2014 #17
Thank you for posting these follow-ups on this. tosh Mar 2014 #18

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
1. Not only does this thinkprogress article get the URL totally wrong...
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 06:59 PM
Feb 2014

...(should be sinkforcongress2014.com and not sinkrocongress2014.com), but unless you're blind AND have the attention span of a gnat there is no way you can mistake these sites as being for the candidates in question.

As per the graphic in the OP: "Make a Contribution Today to Help Defeat Alex Sink..." well herp a derp a dumb, that must mean they want to ELECT Alex Sink, seeing as how they're clearly asking for money to "Defeat" her!

This is complete piss-poor journalism.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
2. I agree about the poor writing but ya gotta love these pugs, they are always thinking of
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:15 PM
Feb 2014

new and different ways to fuck us over. Simply amazing, what scum they are!!!

Great idea, if you have NO MORALS. Fuckers...

unblock

(52,326 posts)
4. but the site is sink FOR congress 2014.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 07:45 PM
Feb 2014

the deception is largely in the url.

yes, if your attention is called to it of course it's obvious.


but it should be equally obvious that the website was not set up and named simply for people looking to donate to defeat sink. honest opposition websites have things like a big "no!" or one of those circles with a slash through it.

to me it is clear that they were trying to be as tricky as the could while being able to deny it.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
13. Partisan Republicans regard Democracy as a game. Nothing more.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:57 PM
Feb 2014

And the score is measured in dollars.

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Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
5. Good News, NRCC is going to give back contributions
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:50 PM
Feb 2014

We need to get the news out that if you gave money to the RNCC due to this false ad, you can get your money back http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/03/republican-website-donations_n_4719196.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

The National Republican Congressional Committee is doubling down on its use of websites that appear to be in support of Democratic House candidates but actually direct money to the Republican campaign effort. However, the NRCC said it would give refunds to donors who were confused or misled and contributed to the organization inadvertently.

The lawyer in me believes that the RNCC is afraid being sued and so gave in quickly.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
8. They can "say" they will refund the contribs but doing it is something else.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:10 AM
Feb 2014



They could confront the claimants with such a paperwork maze that they will give up in disgust.

AllyCat

(16,223 posts)
7. Slimy and illegal is the name of the game with the Pugs
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:06 AM
Feb 2014

Wrong website or no. This is part of why I like ActBlue

rafeh1

(385 posts)
9. The rackos (right wing wackos) depend on tricking credulous people.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:14 AM
Feb 2014

The rackos (right wing wackos) depend on tricking credulous people.
look at the number of rackos spouting on "Obama giving away Alaskan Islands to russia"
Google search
A whole bunch of crazy right wingers use this as email grabber to get the attention of their suckers before asking for money.

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
12. Juanita Jean is calling out the GOP for this deceptive tactic
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:22 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.juanitajean.com/2014/02/04/like-deception-is-anything-new-to-the-gop/

Okay, so the Republican Party is trying to fool people into donating to them when the people think they’re donating to Democrats.

Well, alert the damn media. It ain’t like trying to fool people is virgin territory for them. This ain’t no damn pilgrim experience for Republicans.

Republicans are defending a series of websites they established that appear to support Democratic candidates for Congress, but instead direct contributions to the GOP.

The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) said its websites were not confusing, and accused Democrats of crying foul because their candidates were struggling.




They refused refunds until a donor went to the media about it and now they are all like …. oh, not us, we will be delighted to refund money.

However, headlines like this —


— can hardly be classified as “news.” It’s what they do in the normal course of business.

progree

(10,918 posts)
14. Chrome browser now reports contribute.sinkforcongress2014.com was reported as a phishing site!
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:45 AM
Feb 2014

Unfortunately my Internet Explorer browser doesn't.

Chrome doesn't report any problems with three of the other URLs I know of ...

Kyrsten Sinema
FAKE Website URL: http://contribute.sinemaforcongress.com/

Ann Kirkpatrick
FAKE Website URL: http://contribute.kirkpatrickforcongress2014.com

Martha Robertson
FAKE Website URL: http://contribute.martha-robertson.com/?

I've reported on all three of the above to Chrome. But I'm sure it takes more than one person reporting this to move these folks off the dime ... you can report by, in your Chrome browser: Alt Shift I, or Settings -> Tools -> Report and Issue

Oh, there's a couple of others that are reported to have fake websites, but I haven't looked up the URLs yet:

Amanda Renteria (CA), John Tierney (MA) <- a token man at last! 5 women (inluding Alex Sink) and one man reported on in this thread.

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
15. These websites are illegal
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 07:37 PM
Feb 2014

I found this analysis on why these websites are illegal on Prof. Hasen's electionlaw blog. I think that it is clear that these websites are illegal and the DNC needs to sue the RNCC http://www.acslaw.org/acsblog/do-misleading-campaign-websites-violate-federal-law

By 1992, the FEC came to share Justice Ginsburg’s view and amended its regulations at 11 C.F.R. § 102.14(a) to extend the candidate name prohibition to include not only the official name of the committee, but also “any name under which a committee conducts activities, such as solicitations or other communications, including a special project name or other designation.” The FEC explained that it had “become more concerned about the potential for confusion or abuse when an unauthorized committee uses a candidate’s name in the title of a special fundraising project. A person who receives such a communication may not understand that it is made on behalf the committee rather than the candidate whose name appears in the project’s title.” The Commission further explained that “the potential for confusion is equally great in all types of committee communications,” not merely the official titles.

Of course, notwithstanding the ban on the use of candidate names in the titles of committee communications, committees remain free to “discuss any number of candidates, by name, in the body of the communication.” Additionally, following a 1994 amendment to the FEC’s regulation, noncandidate committees may also use the name of a candidate “in the title of a special project name or other communication”—but only “if the title clearly and unambiguously shows opposition to the named candidate.” Thus, the law is clear: a noncandidate committee may not use the name of a candidate in the committee’s title or in the title of a special project, such as a website, unless the committee opposes that candidate and the title of the website or other communication makes that opposition very clear.

The FEC made clear in a 1995 advisory opinion that the operation of a website constitutes a “special project” for purposes of the candidate name prohibition. Thus, because the NRCC is a noncandidate committee; the new websites are special projects under the law; and the URLs and titles include the names of candidates; the websites clearly fall within the federal law candidate name restrictions, and may only use the name of a candidate in their titles “if the title clearly and unambiguously shows opposition to the named candidate.” But far from doing so, the URLs and titles of these websites contain textbook language indicating support for these candidates—e.g., SinemaForCongress.com. Indeed, the phrases of support used in the website URLs and titles are nearly the same as the examples of express advocacy or support the Supreme Court used in Buckley v. Valeo, such as “Smith for Congress.”

Finally, it is not sufficient, as some have asserted, that a reader who scrutinizes these websites more closely will ultimately recognize that they oppose, rather than support, the candidate named in the title. The FEC regulations make it clear that “the title” must unambiguously indicate such opposition. The regulations thus put the burden on political committees to refrain from creating misleading websites – not on the voting public to sort through intentionally confusing language.

Consequently, these misleading websites violate federal law. The NRCC should take down these websites and the FEC should initiate an enforcement action against the NRCC’s flagrant violations of federal campaign finance law.

If the law cited in this article is correct, the DNC could wait and sue to force these committees to turn over all funds. In any event, the RNCC is going to be facing some litigation for this tactic.

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
16. The GOP/NRCC is worried and have changed the donations page for these fraudulent websites
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 03:49 PM
Feb 2014

The GOP/NRCC may be getting worried because they are changing the donation page for these fake websites. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nrcc-fake-websites-corrected

After news outlets reported that a Republican campaign group had set up fake websites for Democratic congressional candidates, the group has fixed the sites to clarify that money donated through them will go to the GOP.

As TPM and other outlets reported, some donors said that they had been duped by the websites, believing they were giving money to the Democratic candidates instead of the National Republican Congressional Campaign, which is working to defeat them.

The sites have innocuous URL's -- johnbarrow2014.com, for example -- and only a close read of the content would reveal that they are critical, not supportive, of the candidate.

But now the donation button on some of the sites re-directs to a page that clearly identifies the NRCC as the recipient of any contributions, CNN reported.

We still need to warn Democrats about this scam but I am glad that the NRCC has changed the donation page. You can view the changed donation page by going to the link (I refused to pose even a screenshot of a NRCC donation page).

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
17. CREW is filing an ethics complaint against the Repugs using one of these fake websites
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
Mar 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/12/ethics-complaint-nrcc_n_4950173.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

WASHINGTON -- An ethics watchdog filed a formal request Wednesday for an investigation of National Republican Campaign Committee Chairman Rep. Greg Walden (Ore.), citing his team's use of phony websites.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington -- citing numerous reports of 18 GOP webpages that masqueraded as sites belonging to Democrats -- is asking the Office of Congressional Ethics to investigate whether or not Walden broke federal law or House rules by tricking Democratic supporters into donating to the GOP.

CREW Executive Director Melanie Sloan thinks he did.

"Rep. Walden and the NRCC have become online scam artists, tricking people out of their campaign donations," Sloan said in a statement. "Rep. Walden's support for such activity violates House ethics rules, and OCE needs to act quickly to protect the House's credibility.”

This is good news. Hopefully, the GOP will stop trying to use these fake websites
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