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mainer

(12,022 posts)
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:48 PM Feb 2014

Who are the Amanda Knox haters? Journalist finds out


If you have taken a dive down into the Amanda Knox rabbit hole, you will discover a couple of persistent acronyms. The first is PMF. That would be the Perugia Murder File, operated by a Seattle housewife and former French translator who is dedicated to the guilt of Amanda Knox. The other acronym you will encounter is TJMK, which stands for “True Justice For Meredith Kercher”—the young British woman murdered in this case–and is run by a New Jersey-based Englishman who claims that at one time he consulted at the United Nations.

These sites host extremely active avatars, many proclaiming to be lawyers, forensic experts, criminologists, but who never reveal their true identities. Researching my 2011 book on the Knox case The Fatal Gift of Beauty, I met both moderators behind the acronymic websites. In 2009, I sat down with TJMK founder Peter Quennell, who has always claimed he started the site to make sure that no one forgot the victim. A stout, ruddy Englishman living in New Jersey, he had been holding out the carrot of introducing me to the elusive Kercher family. He seemed vastly knowledgeable and connected. At the time, I also believed that Amanda Knox could be, indeed, a Charles Manson behind a pretty face.

After a month in Italy doing reporting, however, I realized that some of the “facts” on Quennell’s website didn’t seem to be in the police record in Italy. I emailed him to ask where he had found out that Knox and Sollecito met police standing outside the murder house with a mop and bucket in hand. That damning incident was nowhere in the record, not even the prosecutor would confirm it, nor had Italy’s Polizia Scientifica ever tested such items, which would surely have offered up some useful DNA evidence, had they been used to clean blood.

Quennell then accused me by email of being on the Knox family payroll, informed me that his sources in Perugia had seen me consorting with Amanda’s mother (I had in fact met with her once, in a public place, by then) and eventually started writing about how he was going to “train his scope” on my apartment in Manhattan, and closing emails with “how are the kiddies?”



Read more: The Amanda Knox Haters Society: How They Learned to Hate Me Too | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2013/03/29/the-amanda-knox-haters-society-how-they-learned-to-hate-me-too/#ixzz2s67KsOmP


http://world.time.com/2013/03/29/the-amanda-knox-haters-society-how-they-learned-to-hate-me-too/
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Who are the Amanda Knox haters? Journalist finds out (Original Post) mainer Feb 2014 OP
what a strange world we live in hfojvt Feb 2014 #1
Get a load of "truejustice.org" guy's weirdness mainer Feb 2014 #2
I wonder if a couple of posters here will chime in. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #3
If they link to that site, they're linking to misinformation mainer Feb 2014 #4
that's one of the troubles with the internet though hfojvt Feb 2014 #6
Yeah, there's too much crap to wade through mainer Feb 2014 #7
How do you know what to believe? niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #21
Now that is super creepy! Sounds like some L&O SVU episode, so red flagworthy. n/t freeplessinseattle Dec 2014 #36
This Part is Very Telling WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #5
Amanda Knox's email is very telling niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #26
Do we care about your guesses? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #28
"those who talk about it" hfojvt Dec 2014 #37
K&R abelenkpe Feb 2014 #8
New book out, by two former FBI investigators... mainer Feb 2014 #9
Is their conclusion that Knox is "innocent" or "not guilty"?--big difference hlthe2b Dec 2014 #20
Guilty.. niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #23
I know your conclusion... I am asking about the FBI-authors of the book the other poster hlthe2b Dec 2014 #24
sorry niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #32
Enjoy your (short) stay. n/t freeplessinseattle Dec 2014 #35
Re: Preston niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #22
Spam much? riqster Dec 2014 #30
I was responding niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #33
Is anyone embarrassed by the term "Knox-haters", given that we're all "America-haters" here? Pangolino Feb 2014 #10
I wouldnt criticize someone who makes an analysis on the facts and evidence of the case davidn3600 Feb 2014 #11
Sorry about that all-hallowed "DNA evidence." mainer Feb 2014 #12
And how is it Sollecito's "DNA" was found on the clasp mainer Feb 2014 #13
Another link Pangolino Feb 2014 #14
the bra clasp niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #25
I'm with you, Pangolino. cheapdate Apr 2014 #17
Lots of evidence deepblue9 Apr 2014 #15
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Apr 2014 #16
also take into consideration niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #19
Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito niftyrosa1 Dec 2014 #18
That is an interesting article Gothmog Dec 2014 #27
Congrats on luring at least 3 such 'haters' to DU. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #29
Our new friends are odd ones jberryhill Dec 2014 #31
Could be a google alert JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #34

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
1. what a strange world we live in
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:05 PM
Feb 2014

Some people probably need better hobbies, but I kinda hate to be judgemental about other people's hobbies. Who am I to criticize? I just spent $200 on books for one of my hobbies.

But I generally do not hate people with other opinions.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
2. Get a load of "truejustice.org" guy's weirdness
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:06 PM
Feb 2014
Peter Quennell, has shown a disturbing obsession with Meredith Kercher. Not only does Quennell post many photos of Meredith on his website, he also writes creepy articles about Meredith, a complete stranger, imagining what she would be doing if she was still alive. Quennell also takes interest in several other young murdered women. Photos of Natalee Holloway, Elizabeth Mandala, Laci Peterson, and Sonia Marra are posted. Quennell limits his coverage to young women. No male victims are discussed.

Quennell's obsession with young women may seem harmless on his website but he took his obsession a step farther when he stalked a young woman looking to gain her trust and friendship. When she refused his advances, he attempted to extort money from her.

Quennell attempted to work his way into a young woman's life by luring her into a business deal in which he would create a promotional website to help build her career. She was new to the United States and Quennell's offer sounded pretty good in the beginning. Quennell proceeded to create a website telling the young woman that he was creating the site free of charge to show her the benefits of his promotional expertise. The site included many personal details of the young woman's life and she did not approve. The young woman was shocked at the website Quennell had created and also became concerned (and was warned by at least one friend) that his interest in her was not solely business-related. Quennell's emails were at times sexual in nature, repeatedly asking for her to take trips with him. He refused to cease communications with her when asked, and he appeared to her to be obsessed.

The young woman asked Quennell to take the website offline but he refused, demanding money to remove it. Quennell sent the young woman hundreds of emails encouraging (pressuring) her to work with him. This disturbing daily barrage of emails led the young woman to become afraid of Quennell. With the help of a private investigator she decided to go to the police. It was only after being contacted by detectives that Quennell finally removed the website ending this young woman's nightmare.


http://injusticeinperugia.blogspot.com/2011/06/disturbing-emails-expose-anti-amanda.html

mainer

(12,022 posts)
4. If they link to that site, they're linking to misinformation
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:15 PM
Feb 2014

"Time" reporter details how much bogus information is on it.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
6. that's one of the troubles with the internet though
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:48 PM
Feb 2014

How do you KNOW what is bogus.

One guy writes X.
Another guy writes X is bogus.

How do you know which is telling the truth, or knows what he/she is talking about?

So first we have

"the blog claimed this"

Okay, that can be verified (or debunked). Visit the blog, or, since blogs can be changed, get a screen capture (and "screen captures" can be photoshopped, so we kinda go down the rabbit hole again.)

And the author debunks that by saying

"it wasn't in any of the police reports"

So to verify that we have to either read the police reports ourselves, or trust that 2nd dude has actually read the police reports and not missed anything. Step 1.

Step 2, we have to be able to discount the possibility that things might not have been left out of the police report even though they actually happened. Certainly police reports are not always truthful.

Myself, I started to read one of those "Amanda Knox is guilty posts" and it was about fifteen miles long. I got to mile five and said to myself "I don't really care THAT much about THIS topic".

But now here I have produced a two mile long post on the same damned topic.

Admittedly though, I did not care enough to actually click on the link in your OP.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
7. Yeah, there's too much crap to wade through
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:04 PM
Feb 2014

But I tend to trust an actual journalist who writes for Time Magazine more than I trust some random blogging Amanda Knox-hating guy in New Jersey.

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
21. How do you know what to believe?
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:15 PM
Dec 2014

When it comes from the horses mouth and it is confirmed by evidence. Amanda Knox said that she assumed Meredith was having menstrual issues as the reason for the blood in the bathroom. Meredith was found wearing a tampon when she was autopsied. Was Amanda there or was it a coincident? She was there. Phone records also proved that Raffaele called the police after the postal police arrived. He interrupted the first call probably because one of the officer was entering the room he was in when calling the police. He claimed that the emergency number told him to call back. If anyone believe that they are more of an idiot than Amanda and Raffaele.

WeekendWarrior

(1,437 posts)
5. This Part is Very Telling
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:19 PM
Feb 2014

And reflects an attitude that includes some people here on DU:

"I went to Italy thinking I was writing a book about an American girl psycho. After a month in Perugia, I realized the case was shaky, and after a year there, I knew it was nonexistent. But I did enough research on Amanda Knox to conclude that the person she was in 2007 was not perfect, and probably not even very nice. In the sexist media world we inhabit, though, a pretty girl wrongly accused of a heinous crime can’t be just a jerk, she’s got to be a murderess or, in the superstitious alleys of Perugia, a witch."

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
26. Amanda Knox's email is very telling
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:58 PM
Dec 2014

Also what is very telling about it, she has enough education that there shouldn't have been so many misplellings. So what it tells me is that she was in a rush to get that email out. Several times you can see where she started to write something and then changed her mind but did not completely erase the words causing half sentence/thoughts to run in together. Why was it so important to write this email? My guess is that she never took a shower but wanted to justify her dna being found where it shouldn't have been. On a bloody mat, in a bathroom, hallway etc...I believe her and Raffaele were there to break Meredith's door down because they had disposed of the keys and forgot something in Meredith's room....THE LAMP. too bad Raffaele couldn't get the door open..

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. Do we care about your guesses?
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:10 PM
Dec 2014

I'm not even following the case, but it looks like you created your account here simply because some search you did on Amanda Knox returned a hit on this posting, and you wanted to charge in and make sure your own speculations were associated with any discussion of the case by those who talk about it.

So my 'guess' would be that you do this on other websites as well, if somehow talk turns to the Amanda Knox case.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
37. "those who talk about it"
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:22 AM
Dec 2014

Or those who DID talk about it - ten frigging months ago.

I've already forgotten at least half the things I ever knew about the Amanda Knox case, which never was much more than the name - Amanda Knox. Heck, I forgot that I spent $200 on books back in February. That Bailyn book was awesome though.

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
23. Guilty..
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:30 PM
Dec 2014

as charged. Read her email and then put yourself in her shoes as an innocent person and then tell me if her actions make sense. for those who don't know. Meredith was wearing a tampon when she was murdered. In Amanda's email she mentions that she thought Merdith might have been having menstrual issues as the reason for the blood in the bathroom. Coincidence? NOT
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox%27s_Email_Home

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
24. I know your conclusion... I am asking about the FBI-authors of the book the other poster
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:31 PM
Dec 2014

mentioned. Please stop spamming your blog. I think everyone on this thread knows your position.

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
32. sorry
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:26 PM
Dec 2014

I was trying to get my minumum comments in before this site will let me start a thread regarding this case. Carry on

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
22. Re: Preston
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:22 PM
Dec 2014

Preston, along with Moore and Clemente never went to Amanda and Raffaele's trial so their assumption is just that. Read Amanda Knox's email and it will tell you she is guilty and that she was there. http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Amanda_Knox%27s_Email_Home

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
33. I was responding
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:36 PM
Dec 2014

to comments and to also get my minimum comments in before I am allowed to start my own thread. I'm new here...have a nice day

 

Pangolino

(32 posts)
10. Is anyone embarrassed by the term "Knox-haters", given that we're all "America-haters" here?
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 06:51 PM
Feb 2014

"I went to Italy thinking I was writing a book about an American girl psycho. After a month in Perugia, I realized the case was shaky, and after a year there, I knew it was nonexistent. But I did enough research on Amanda Knox to conclude that the person she was in 2007 was not perfect, and probably not even very nice. In the sexist media world we inhabit, though, a pretty girl wrongly accused of a heinous crime can’t be just a jerk, she’s got to be a murderess or, in the superstitious alleys of Perugia, a witch."

Frankly, I'm not sure how much more crap could be packed into a paragraph. Here are some questions that I hope come to mind when people read it:

1) How likely is it that the prosecution's case in a trial this long is 'nonexistent'? Am I curious about what has been presented in court, or am I content to accept that it's probably just the superstitious whispers of some medieval foreigners lurking in alleyways? If do accept that, am I embarrassed to be so prejudiced against Italian people, or am I fine with myself?

2) The author makes a criticism of the "sexist media world we inhabit" by describing the plight of "a pretty girl wrongly accused of a heinous crime". Do I care what Ms. Knox looks like? If so, why? Am I fine with the fact that the author has slipped in that bit about being "wrongly accused" a little prematurely, argument-wise? Do I feel that was a bit of a bullshit move, considering the trial and all? Do I feel we could strike a blow against sexism if we stopped bothering pretty, innocent girls with such details?



In case anyone is interested in reading something about the case, here's something by someone who hasn't (yet, anyway) been tarred as being a "Knox-hater":

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-not-right-to-say-there-is-no-evidence-in-the-case-against-amanda-knox-theres-plenty-9099649.html

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. I wouldnt criticize someone who makes an analysis on the facts and evidence of the case
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 07:47 PM
Feb 2014

But most of the hate sites and a lot of the media (especially European media) is attacking Knox for things that have absolutely nothing to do with the crime.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
13. And how is it Sollecito's "DNA" was found on the clasp
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 08:05 PM
Feb 2014

but not ANYWHERE ELSE on the bra itself? How do you rip off a bra, and only touch the clasp? The clasp that was left on the floor 6 weeks and was stepped on by numerous investigators who had trampled through the cottage?

 

Pangolino

(32 posts)
14. Another link
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 10:54 PM
Feb 2014

That DNA evidence ("hallowed"?) is not by a long shot the entirety of the prosecution's case, and I have no interest in arguing that case point-by-point with you. I do, however, encourage people to research and engage with the actual case, and call out sexist and xenophobic garbage as well as ad hominem crap when they see it. I should probably have just linked this page as a decent and fair starting point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
25. the bra clasp
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:48 PM
Dec 2014

was found under a rug...not trampled on as every supporter would like for us to believe. If it was contaminated it should have had Guedes DNA or Filomena's, Amanda and Laura's DNA.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
17. I'm with you, Pangolino.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 11:36 PM
Apr 2014

I tend to get very skeptical when I read transparently manipulative arguments. It's borderline insulting, although I realize it's a bit silly to feel that way. The same is true even when I generally agree with the arguments being presented, although I admit to cutting more slack when it's something I generally agree with.

deepblue9

(2 posts)
15. Lots of evidence
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 07:48 PM
Apr 2014

Amanda and Raffaele were involved in some way. The sheer weight of evidence puts that fact beyond dispute. Rudy's DNA was not "everywhere" (it was found in a handful of places, if that). DNA is not necessarily left at murder scenes, and if you accept Rudy's DNA was there, you must also accept Raffaele's was there (the contamination theory is a non-starter). And exactly how did Amanda's lamp (her only source of light) end up, fingerprint free, on the floor of Meredith's room? Are all the American airheads who believe in Knox's innocence honestly asking me to accept that Guede wiped the lamp with his hanky or something?

Just look at all the evidence together, and the case against Knox and Sollecito is considerable. This is why Cassation reinstated the guilty verdicts, slamming the incoherence, illogical and plain erroneous arguments of the Hellman appeal.

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
19. also take into consideration
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:06 PM
Dec 2014

That Amanda Knox in her email said she assumed that Meredith might have had menstrual issue as the reason for the blood in the bathroom. Meredith was wearing a tampon when she was murdered. EXTRADITE

niftyrosa1

(11 posts)
18. Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:32 PM
Dec 2014

I have been following this case since her and Raffaele have been released. Since I could not count on contaminated evidence to tell me if she and Raffaele were guilty I read her email. Her email alone, told me she was guilty.
AMANDA'S EMAIL WRITTEN IN THE EARLY MORNING OF NOV. 4, 2007
This is an email for everyone, because id like to get it all out and
not have to repeat myself a hundred times like ive been having to do
at the police station. some of you already know some things, some of
you know nothing. what im about to say i cant say to journalists or
newspapers, and i require that of anone receiving this information as
well. this is m account of how i found my roommate murdered the
morning of friday, november 2nd.

The last time i saw meredith, 22, english, beautiful, funny, was when
i came home from spending the night at a friends house. It was the day
after halloween, thursday. I got home and she was still asleep, bu
after i had taken a shower and was fumbling around the kitchen she
emerged from her room with the blood of her costume (vampire) still
dripping down her chin. We talked for a while in the kitchen, how the
night went, what our plans were for the day. Nothing out of the
ordinary. then she went to take a shower and i began to start eating a
little while i waited for my friend (Raffaele-at whose house i stayed
over) to arrive at my house. He came right after i started eating and
he made himself some pasta. as we were eating together meredith came
out of the shower and grabbed some laundry or put some laundry in, one
or the other and returned into her room after saying hi to raffael.
after lunch i began to play guitar with raffael and meredith came out
of her room and went to the door. she said bye and left for the day.
it was the last time i saw her alive.

after a little while of playing guitar me and raffael went to his
house to watch movies and after to eat dinner and generally spend the
evening and night indoors. we didnt go out. the next morning i woke up
around 1030 and after grabbing my few things i left raffael's
appartment and walked the five minute walk back to my house to once
again take a shower and grab a chane of clothes. i also needed to grab
a mop because after dinner raffael had spilled a lot of water on the
floor of his kitchen by accident and didnt have a mop to clean it up.
so i arrived home and the first abnormal thing i noticed was the door
was wide open. here's the thingabout the door to our house: its
broken, in such a way that you have to use the keys to keep it closed.
if we dont have the door locked, it is really easy for the wond to
blow the door open, and so, my roommates and i always have the door
locked unless we are running really quickley to bring the garbage out
or to get something from the neighbors who live below us. (another
important piece of imformation: for those who dont know, i inhabit a
house of two stories, of which my three roommates and i share the
second story appartment. there are four italian guys of our age
between 22 and 26 who live below us. we are all wuite good friends and
we talk often. giacomo is especially welcome because he plays guitar
with me and laura, one of my roommates, and is, or was dating
meredith. the other three are marco, stefano, and ricardo.) anyway, so
the door was wide open. strange, yes, but not so strange that i really
thought anything about it. i assumed someone in the house was doing
exactly what i just said, taking out the trash or talking really
uickley to the neighbors downstairs. so i closed the door behind me
but i didnt lock it, assuming that the person who left the door open
would like to come back in. when i entered i called out if anyone was
there, but no one responded and i assumed that if anyone was there,
they were still asleep. lauras door was open which meant she wasnt
home, and filomenas door was also closed. my door was open like always
and meredith door was closed, which to me weant she was sleeping. i
undressed in my room and took a quick shower in one of the two
bathrooms in my house, the one that is right next to meredith and my
bedrooms (situated right next to one another). it was after i stepped
out of the shower and onto the mat that i noticed the blood in the
bathroom. it was on the mat i was using to dry my feet and there were
drops of blood in the sink. at first i thought the blood might have
come from my ears which i had pierced extrensively not too long ago,
but then immediately i know it wasnt mine becaus the stains on the mat
were too big for just droplets form my ear, and when i touched the
blood in the sink it was caked on already. there was also blood
smeered on the faucet. again, however, i thought it was strange,
because my roommates and i are very clean and we wouldnt leave blood
int he bathroom, but i assumed that perhaps meredith was having
menstral issues and hadnt cleaned up yet. ew, but nothing to worry
about. i left the bathroom and got dressed in my room. after i got
dressed i went to the other bathroom in my house, the one that
filomena dn laura use, and used their hairdryer to obviously dry my
hair and it was after i was putting back the dryer that i noticed the
shit that was left in the toilet, something that definately no one in
out house would do. i started feeling a little uncomfortable and so i
grabbed the mop from out closet and lef the house, closing and locking
the door that no one had come back through while i was in the shower,
and i returned to raffael's place. after we had used the mop to clean
up the kitchen i told raffael about what i had seen in the house over
breakfast. the strange blood in the bathroom, the door wide open, the
shit left in the toilet. he suggested i call one of my roommates, so i
called filomena. filomena had been at a party the night before with
her boyfriend marco (not the same marco who lives downstairs but we'll
call him marco-f as in filomena and the other can be marco-n as in
neighbor). she also told me that laura wasnt at home and hadnt been
because she was on business in rome. which meant the only one who had
spent the night at our house last night was meredith, and she was as
of yet unaccounted for. filomena seemed really worried, so i told her
id call meredith and then call her back. i called both of merediths
phones the english one first and last and the italian one between. the
first time i called the english phone is rang and then sounded as of
there was disturbance, but no one answered. i then calle the italian
phone and it just kept ringing, no answer. i called her english phone
again and this time an english voice told me her phone was out of
service. raffael and i gathered our things and went back to my house.
i unlocked the door and im going to tell this really slowly to get
everything right so just have patience with me. the living
room/kitchen was fine. looked perfectly normal. i was checking for
signs of our things missing, should there have been a burglar in our
house the night before. filomenas room was closed, but when i opned
the door her room and a mess and her window was open and completely
broken, but her computer was still sitting on her desk like it always
was and this confused me. convinced that we had been robbed i went to
lauras room and looked quickley in, but it was spottless, like it
hadnt even been touced. this too, i thought was odd. i then went into
the part of the house that meredith and i share and checked my room
for things missing, which there werent. then i knocked on merediths
room.

at first i thought she was alseep so i knocked gently, but when she
didnt respond i knocked louder and louder until i was really banging
on her door and shouting her name. no response. panicing, i ran out
onto our terrace to see if maybe i could see over the ledge into her
room from the window, but i couldnt see in. bad angle. i then went
into the bathroom where i had dried my hair and looked really quickley
into the toilet. in my panic i thought i hadnt seen anything there,
which to me meant whoever was in my house had been there when i had
been there. as it turns out the police told me later that the toilet
was full and that the shit had just fallen to the bottom of the
toilet, so i didnt see it. i ran outside and down to our neighbors
door. the lights were out but i banged ont he door anyway. i wanted to
ask them if they had heard anything the night before, but no one was
home. i ran back into the house. in the living room raffael told me he
wanted to see if he could break down merediths door. he tried, and
cracked the door, but we couldnt open it. it was then that we decided
to call the cops. there are two types of cops in italy, carbanieri
(local, dealing with traffic and domestic calls) and the police
investigaters. he first called his sister for advice and then called
the carbanieri. i then called filomna who said she would be on her way
home immediately. while we were waiting, two ununiformed police
investigaters came to our house. i showed them what i could and told
them what i knew. gave them ohone numbers and explained a bit in
broken italian, and then filomena arrived with her boyfriend marco-f
and two other friends of hers. all together we checked the houe out,
talked to the polie,a nd in a big they all opened merediths door.
i was in the kitchen stadning aside, having really done my part for
the situation. but when they opened merediths door and i heard
filomena scream "a foot! a foot!" in italian i immedaitely tried to
get to merediths room but raffael grabbed me and took me out of the
house. the police told everyone to get out and not long afterward the
carabinieri arrived and then soon afterward, more police
investigators. they took all of our informaton and asked us the same
questions over and over. at the time i had only what i was wearing and
my badg, which thankfully had my passport in it and my wallet. no
jacket though, and i was freezing. after sticking around at the housr
for a bit, the police told us to go to the station to give testimony,
which i did. i was in a room for six hours straight after that without
seeing anyone else, answering questions in italian for the first hour
and then they brought in an interpreter and he helped my out with the
details that i didnt know the words for. they asked me of course about
the the morning, the last time i saw her, and because i was the
closest to her, questions about her habits and her relationships.

afterward, when they were taking my fingerprints, i met two of
merediths english friends, two girls she goes out with, including the
lat one who saw her alive that night she was murdered. they also had
their prints taken. after that, this was around 9 at night by this
time, i was taken into the waiting room where there was various other
people who i all knew from varous places who all knew meredith. her
friends from england, my roommates, even the owner of the pub she most
frequented. after a while my neighbors were taken in too, having just
arived home from a weeklong vacation in their home town, which
eplained why they werent home when i banged on their door. later than
that another guy showed up and was taken in for questioning, a guy i
dont like but who both meredith and i knew from different occasions, a
morracan guy that i only know by his nickname amongst the girls
"shaky". then i sat around in this waiting room wthout having the
chance to leave or eat anything besides vending maschine food (whcih
gave me a hell of a stomache ache) until 530 in the morning. during
this time i received calls from a lot of different people, family
mostly of course, and i also talked with the rest. especially to find
out what exactly was in merediths room whent hey opened it. apparently
her body was laying under a sheet, and with her foot sticking out and
there was a lot of blood. whoever had did this had slit her throat.
they told me to be back in at 11am. i went home to raffael's place and
ate something substantial, and passed out.

in the morning raffael drove me bck to the police station but had to
leave me when they said they wantrd to take me back to the house for
quesioning. before i go on, id like to ssay that i was strictly told
not to speak about this, but im speaking with you people who are not
involved and who cant do anything bad except talk to journalists,
which i hope you wont do. i have to get this off my chest because its
pressing down on me and it helps to know that someone besides me knows
something, and that im not the one who knows the most out of everyone.
at the house they asked me very personal questions about meredith's
life and also about the personalities of our neighbors. how well did i
know them? pretty well, we are friends. was meredith sexually active?
yeah, she borrowed a few of my condoms. does she like anal? wtf? i
dont know. does she use vaseline? for her lips? what kind of person is
stefano? nice guy, has a really pretty girlfriend. hmmm...very
interesting....weìd like to how you something, and tell us if this is
out of normal.

tehy took me into the nieghbors house. the had breaken the door open
to get in, but they told me to ingonore that. the rooms were all open.
giacomo and marco-n's room was spotless which made since becaus the
guys had thoroughly cleaned the whole house before they left on
vacation. stefano's room however, well, his bed was strpped of linens,
which was odd, and the comfoter he used was shoved up at the top of
his bed, with blood on it. i obviously told then that the blood was
definatley out of normal and also that he usually has his bed made.
they took note of it and ussred me out. when i left the house to go
back to the police station they told me to put my jacket over my head
and duck down below the window so the reporters wouldnt try to talk to
me. at the station i just had to repeat the answers that i had givne
at the house do they could type them up and after a good 5 and a half
hour day with the police again raffael picked me up and took me out
for some well-deserved pizza. i was starving. i then bought some
underwear because as it turns out i wont be able to leave italy for a
while as well as enter my house. i only had the clothes i was wearing
the day it bagan, so i bought some underwear and borrwed a pair of
pants from raffael.

Spoke with my remaining roommates that night (last night) and it was a
hurricane of emotions and stress but we needed it anyway. What we have
been discussing is bascially what to do next. We are trying to keep
our heads on straight. First things first though, my roommates both
work for lawyers, and they are going to try to send a request through
on monday to retrieve important documents of ours that are still in
the house. Secondly, we are going to talk to the agency that we used
to find our house and obviously request to move out. It kind of sucks
that we have to pay the next months rent, but the owner has protection
within the contract. After that, I guess I'll go back to class on
monday, although im not sure what im going to do about people asking
me questions, because i really dont want to talk again about what
happened. Ive been talking an awful lot lately and im pretty tired of
it. After that, Its like im trying to remember what i was doing before
all this happened. I still need to figure out who i need to talk to
and what i need to do to continue studying in perugia, because its
what i want to do.


Anyway, thats the update, feeling okay, hope you all are well,
amanda
[Published in the Daily Telegraph, London, 8 November 2007]

1. Who takes a shower and doesn't lock the door that doesn't stay closed....she should have worried about the door coming open if not nothing else, someone walking in on her, like one of the boys downstairs, while she was in the shower.
2. Who goes to a bathroom to use a hairdryer and doesn't notice the feces in the bathroom until after she used the dryer....could she not smell it?
3. She returns to Raffaele because she is alarmed, not because of the blood but by the feces in the toilet. She doesn't bring up the open door or the blood until after she cleans up the water leak and then only during breakfast.
4. She says Filomena's door was also closed....from her email she never said anyone's door was closed before Filomena's door, so why the word ALSO? How is it that Raffaele said Filomena's door was open?
5. She mentions blood in the bathroom possibly coming from Meredith who might have had menstrual issues. Meredith was wearing a tampon when she was murdered and still wearing it when they autopsied her body. More proof that the rape was staged.
6. She goes to knock on the neighbors door to see if they had heard anything the night before. 1. how does she know when the burglary occurred. We later find out that Meredith was in fact murdered at night. sometimes after 9:00 pm but probably more close to 10:30 or 11:30pm as 3 witnesses heard screams or commotion around the same time. 2. She apparently doesn't know that the boys downstairs went on a week long vacation. 3. later on in the email, she says a police officers took her to the downstairs apartment and she says. The apartment was totally clean which makes sense since they had thoroughly cleaned it before going on vacation....Contradiction or no?
7. she accuses a black man of the crime and a black man's DNA was found. Is she psychic or was she there? She was there.
There's more but I'll stop at this...EXTRADITE HER NOW

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
27. That is an interesting article
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:08 PM
Dec 2014

Thank you for posting. There have been some heated discussions on this topic on DU

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
29. Congrats on luring at least 3 such 'haters' to DU.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:12 PM
Dec 2014

Or possibly one posting in multiple accounts, you can never be sure. It's always amusing to see people simply show up out of the woodwork to dispute an OP when they've never bothered to post onsite on any other topic.

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