Why is Seahawks Richard Sherman a thug, but not Rep. Michael Grimm?

[napkinz]

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Grimm: "Let me be clear to you, you ever do that to me again I'll throw you off this fucking balcony."

Scotto: "Why? I just wanted to ask you..."

Grimm: "If you ever do that to me again..."

Scotto: "Why? Why? It’s a valid question."

Grimm: "No, no, you're not man enough, you're not man enough. I'll break you in half. Like a boy."




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[madrchsod]

1. could it be dreadlocks?

[napkinz]

2. where are all the tweets calling Grimm a thug?

Where's the national uproar? The 24-hour news coverage?

Where is FOX "News"?

hmmmm ...

[freshwest]

30. The dreadlocks are cool and Sherman is hot. Some people are just jealous! n/t

[JI7]

34. he is totally cute, i had no idea who he was

since i don't watch sports. but everyone was playing that video of him and my first thought was this guy is cute when he is upset.

[Chorophyll]

3. Sounds like a thug to me.

I've been calling him one all day.

"You're not man enough." Jesus Christ. What a piece of primordial ooze.

[napkinz]

10. Grimm has been vigorously defending Christie

Both are bullies.

Yet no one in the media calls them thugs.

[freshwest]

27. Hey, that's an insult to primoridal ooze. I'm sure it had no bad intent. Septic tank, yeah... n/t

[niyad]

54. should not insult primordial ooze--at least ooze had some use.

[dionysus]

67. how about "colostomy bag filler"?

[niyad]

68. that would work.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Well if I have to explain it to you...

You see Sherman is well, how to put it politely BLACK!!! This is the culture we live in



Heavy doses of it

[malaise]

9. Ding ding we have a winner

[napkinz]

14. you stole me DING!

and not just once!

[malaise]

15. Ha

[napkinz]

12. DING DING DING DING!

We have a winner!

[1StrongBlackMan]

57. Nope ...

they don't see color ... It's his earring and tattoos.

[GoCubsGo]

66. Yep.

It goes without saying.

[Throd]

5. I'll call him a thug. He sure acted like one.

[Boom Sound 416]

6. Are you saying

No one has called the good congressman a thug

Or

Someone should?

[napkinz]

13. I haven't seen any NATIONAL uproar over Grimm's behavior

Remember all the racist tweets over Sherman's post-game interview? The wall-to-wall news coverage? The hysteria.

If anyone's behavior was thuggish it was Grimm's. He threatened bodily harm to the reporter.

[1000words]

18. Maybe more folks saw the game, than the dog and pony show.

[Lucky Luciano]

25. yup - people are much more emotional over football playoffs

...than some unknown Staten Island congressman thug.

[Boom Sound 416]

56. Agreed. But,

Sherman is a much bigger star than what's his name from I don't know where.

Sherman said it in the first bite ending a rather raucous NFC championship game. 30 million people watched that game.

This thug said it NY1. So outside of msnbc and a handful of others, no one is going to pick it up and really run with it. Espn for sure.

With Sherman it crossed into political news from sports.

Franky, the congressman should resign.

[mstinamotorcity2]

73. I did.

if its not enough let me know http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4409108

[Lucky Luciano]

7. My immediate response was to think that Grimm was a total thug.

I thought Sherman was behaving thuggishly too. I like what Sherman said later where he indicated it was completely immature and that he is usually a much more reflective almost nerdy kind if guy (totally paraphrasing there). I now give Sherman the full benefit if the doubt. Grimm is a thug though.

[Fearless]

44. +1

[etherealtruth]

8. Grimm is not a "thug"

(nor is Richard Sherman)

Grimm is a low life jack ass scum ... Sherman was an excited professional athlete talking "smack." (not polite, agreed)

[napkinz]

17. threatening bodily harm to a reporter does not make one a thug?

Isn't that the legal definition of assault?

[etherealtruth]

19. I stick by my characterization - thug is simply not harsh enough for me

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[Scuba]

11. +1,000

[1000words]

16. "Thug" has pretty much lost any meaning

Waaaaaaaaaaaay overused.

[etherealtruth]

20. That was my thought ...

thug does not cover what Grimm is

[1000words]

21. Fact is, it's not even an insult in some circles

Tupac made it cool:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug+life

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Actually, and it is not me saying this, this is the new "polite way" of saying the N word

this is linguists saying this.

So no, it has not lost any value, or any meaning. It has acquired a new one.

[etherealtruth]

23. Exactly!

as the mother of a 17 boy that "worships" (only slight hyperbole) Tupac ... I clearly understand that "thug" really isn't a harsh enough characterization of Grimm ... on the other hand, I think it is too harsh a characterization for a professional athlete talking smack

[geek tragedy]

24. Thug means "an insufficiently respectful Negro."

Just plug that phrase in for "thug" when you see it applied to someone like Richard Sherman who hasn't done anything particularly violent or brutal.

[Comrade Grumpy]

62. Thug can be code for "scary black guy." It also has other, broader, older meanings.

[napkinz]

26. Tweety now covering the story

nt

[freshwest]

28. Grimm is a ReTHUGlican. The complaints on Sherman are BS. JMHO. YVMV. n/t

[napkinz]

37. ReTHUGlican

that's the word!

[freshwest]

39. Yes, it's an old one. Chatted with a nice old lady at the store this week and she used it.

She didn't appreciate the ReTHUGlican obstruction to Obama... She was 90 if she was a day... It was fun talking to a kindred spirit.

[SoCalDem]

29. Sherman just got a killer response

"Hey, I was all amped up ..it was seconds after the big play..and at least I never threatened to throw him off a balcony, or break him in half like a boy..like that republican congressman did "..

[freshwest]

40. Good one. Seattle is excited about the Superbowl! n/t

[Jamaal510]

48. As someone who

hates the Broncos, I'm pulling for Seattle, too.

[butterfly77]

31. Exactly...

Why isn't the media asking that question?

[B Calm]

32. You are confusing thug with fascist.

[kwolf68]

33. Lets see...Richard Sherman

from Compton. Achieved a Stanford education. Still playing on his rookie contract. One of the most philanthropic in the NFL. Articulate. Well spoken.

What pisses people off is NOT necessarily what he said about Crabtree (which I didn't like), what pisses people off is this is an athlete that is off the reservation. It's obvious Richard is very intelligent and isn't afraid to say what's on his mind. I think this is just getting good.

Richard Sherman can play on my team anyday and I'd love to sit down a drink a beer with the guy, he's friggin awesome.

[gLibDem]

35. One is black.

[Packerowner740]

36. Oh he sure is

Richard Sherman? Not even close.

[RoverSuswade]

38. Can you imagine if, say, AL FRANKEN did this?

The republicans would have kicked him out of Congress TODAY

[napkinz]

41. first Tweety, now Rachel is covering it ... MSNBC!

nt

[another_liberal]

42. Doesn't a threat like that legally qualify as assault?

This guy needs to be charged with a crime.

[napkinz]

43. I asked the same question in one of my replies

Threatening bodily harm is the legal definition of assault.

But he's a Republican. No one will call for his resignation. No charges will be filed.

[TNNurse]

45. One is a football player

With an exaggerated perception of his importance. Yes, I know he makes crap loads of money for playing a game that could ruin his health.

The other is a Republican ASS who thinks that he is important than he is. He will not be charged unless the reporter and his employer choose to do so. I wish they would. Too many people (public and private) believe that this is acceptable behavior. It has become acceptable and encouraged by violence happy Republicans. I am just grateful he was not armed. I guess they do check that sort of thing in the Capitol.

[MNBrewer]

46. THey both are

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Go look up the definition of a thug in the dictionary....

and explain how that applies to Richard Sherman.....

[davidpdx]

47. What is to say there won't be some consequence?

I'd say if Grimm loses his job that would be fitting. Granted it is justice delayed, but still worse than a fine.

[Jefferson23]

49. I don't get it..Grimm gets in the reporters face and essentially threatens his life.

No charges, I guess..where was security to taze him?

[napkinz]

64. anyone else would have been charged with ASSAULT

a point made on Lawrence's show (Ari Melber subbing last night)

[Jefferson23]

70. Yep, and why I asked..where was security and why wasn't Grimm tazed.

Sherman sure as hell would have been..at the least.

[napkinz]

75. "where was security?"

What if the reporter had threatened Grimm? Does anyone not believe the reporter would have been arrested?

We have TAPE of the assault. Why hasn't Grimm been charged?

[Jefferson23]

79. I am guessing that the reporter had already passed through security and at that

point there is an expectation that all will go as planned...yet, again..security
is suppose to be on alert, regardless. Perhaps we'll learn more about it soon..as
you say, it is on tape..but we don't have a broad view of where they were standing.
Who else was near by, etc.

I don't ever recall a moment like this one, the reporter appeared genuinely taken back, he
is pulling back away from Grimm, he, Grimm, so in his face and then the verbal threats ensue.

[OnlinePoker]

51. Richard Sherman is not a thug!

He was miked up during the game and when Seattle intercepted and it was clear they were going to win, he went over to shake Crabtree's hand and said (twice) "Hell of a game!". Crabtree then pushed him away at the face mask. This got Sherman's dander up so he made the choking sign towards Kaepernick and the rant about Crabtree. I'd be pissed too if I'd offered sportsmanship and got it thrown back in my face and for people to automatically start calling him a thug and make tweets such as "Richard Sherman deserves to get shot in the (expletive) head. Disrespectful (N-word)," said one, expressing a common refrain." shows who the real thugs are.

.

[Dawson Leery]

52. Sherman is black AND has dreadlocks.

Therefore, no matter what he says, does, or believes, the right will always see him as a thug.

[KeepItReal]

53. Actually I heard Grimm called a thug and a bully today

And folks have backtracked on their first impressions of Richard Sherman

Mr. Sherman has been charming the pants off the media and corporate sponsors

[Nye Bevan]

55. 60,000+ Google hits say Grimm *is* a "thug"

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22michael+grimm%22+thug&hl=en-US&espv=1&biw=248&bih=391&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=W7zpUrvfMJG2kAeKuYD4Dw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAA

[niyad]

58. 868,000 https://www.google.com/#q=mike+grimm+thug

[renate]

59. Sherman seems to be a very interesting and intelligent person

At the time, however, I had never heard of him or knew anything about how intelligent or accomplished he is, nor did I know that Michael Crabtree had just been rude and unsportsmanlike to him. So my response to his outburst, yelling into the camera on live, TV was "Why is he yelling at me?" The reporter was taken aback, too. IMO, regardless of the undeniable realities of racism, he really didn't do himself any favors with people who knew nothing about him. I think in the time since then he's really shown himself to be a bright and insightful and pretty funny guy.

I don't think it's an either-or thing with him and Grimm--I think pretty much everybody who sees the clip would call Grimm a thug. Even more so, since he's in the reporter's actual face with his threats.

[niyad]

60. quite a resume on this pos:

. . .



He cited alleged incidents in which Grimm wielded a butter knife at a Democratic colleague during a congressional breakfast in 2012, an argument with an elderly man during Grimm’s 2010 campaign and another incident in 2011 when Alvarez used profanity in lashing out at a group of skateboarders at a political event.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1113387/michael-grimm-apologizes-for-threats-but-are-steroids-to-blame/#J0Q3U4ttUd0AoyVb.99

[Iggo]

61. Melanin.

[MFM008]

63. thank you

go seahawks.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

65. Grimm = white Congressman. Sherman = scary black man with dreads

Nuff said

[napkinz]

69. yep, hit the nail on the head

nt

[napkinz]

71. Christie & Grimm ...

https://www.facebook.com/LiberalLicious

[butterfly77]

81. Two peas in a pod.

[napkinz]

72. looks like a scene from Godfather III --->

[BeeBee]

74. Grimm is a thug and I called him one when I saw the tape. n/t

[applegrove]

76. I said that the other night. And Sherman was

talking moments aftet an aggressive sport had just ended.

[3catwoman3]

77. I consider myself reasonably well informed about language and word usage...

...and truly did not know that 'thug' had racial implications.

The 2 most recent times I can recall have referred to anyone as a thug have been when discussing the always abrasive one term IL congressman Joe Walsh (Go, Tammy Duckworth), and the crass Carl Paladino, failed NY gubernatorial Ru"thug"lican candidate who gave his concession speech armed with a baseball bat.

[11 Bravo]

78. Michael Grimm IS a thug, (and I'm not the first person to say so).

Richard Sherman, on the other hand, is not a thug (he's just a mouthy asshole).

[napkinz]

80. I wonder if we have a chance to pick up Grimm's seat

That is, if the party hasn't tossed in the towel on taking back the House. (From what I heard on MSNBC yesterday, it seems the focus is going to be on keeping the Senate.)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

86. true. nt

[ecstatic]

89. Yep. Nt

[mythology]

82. Sherman is an ass, but Grimm is a thug, and probably sexist

At least based on the threat to break the reporter like a boy.

As for why one is bigger, more people watched the football game than watched the State of the Union address, much less the specific channel that this occurred on. Should Grimm's threat be a big deal? Yes, and personally I think he should get a court date for menacing or something similar and get drummed out of office since he obviously isn't mentally stable enough to serve.

[jmowreader]

83. It probably has something to do with the 38 tackles and 8 picks

[Htom Sirveaux]

84. But...but...pointing out racism is playing the race card!

Even though it isn't the race card when white people complain of reverse racism...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

85. only one of them is black. nt

[Straw Man]

87. They're both thugs.

That's the appropriate term for someone who escalates disputes with threats of physical violence.

[napkinz]

90. both thugs?

Sherman was brash, boisterous, cocky.

But what Grimm did was ASSAULT. He got up in the face of the reporter and threatened to toss him off the balcony.

[Straw Man]

92. Yes.

Sherman was brash, boisterous, cocky.

Right. And he said, "Don't you ever open your mouth about me, or I'll shut it for you real quick!”

That's a physical threat. Please don't try to tell me that it isn't.

[Tom Ripley]

88. Because Grimm is a white republican from Boroughtucky?

[napkinz]

91. will the REAL thug please stand up ... and resign