Ok, no more Obama bashing. It's Over, you PUMAs

[RobertEarl]

PUMA means - Party Unity My Ass. PUMA

Guess what? Get partied up. Obama is the leader of our party.

We stand at a time when party unity was never so important for our country and the world. The Democratic party must become the majority political party in every legislature, every governorship and in the US congress.

We have about 4 months to get it together to be able to steamroll the republicans in this year's elections.

So my advice to all you who just love to stir the divisive stuff, is that you bury it for the next year, starting now.

DU, as a community, must pull together, put aside the differences and present a unified face to the world. Think we can do it? Yes, we can.

[demmiblue]

1. "So my advice to all you who just love to stir the divisive stuff, ..."

:holds mirror:

[RobertEarl]

5. No Doubt

Me First!!

I am putting it all in the oven for a year. From now until then, I will not speak ill of Obama or my Democratic Party. Yep, being the change I want to see.

PU on DU! And on the streets. Yearghhhhh!!!

[quinnox]

2. Alrighty then. Here is the cheerleading sheep outfit that is ready for wear

[Armstead]

74. I'm going to report thios post for bad taste

(not really, but euwwwwww)

[xocet]

81. Should that be washed with delicates in cold water or should it simply be dry cleaned? n/t

[Skittles]

123. OMG QUINNOX STOP IT

[liberal_at_heart]

3. We'll stand up for him when he stands up for us, when he stands up for the workers of this country.

When he drops the TPP and corporate education reform maybe more people will stand up for him. When he supports teacher and labor unions and proposes a real living wage not the $9/hr wage he has proposed maybe more people will stand up for him. When he fires Arne Duncan and repeals Race to the Top maybe more people will stand up for him.

[Scuba]

13. +1

[RobertEarl]

108. Well hey, yall can just not vote for Obama again.

That will be fine by me.

The republicants are laughing at us for not supporting Obama or the party. Right?

[Phlem]

112. OMG.

-p

[stillwaiting]

187. It really is infuriating, isn't it? nt

[Scuba]

118. I support ideals, and politicians/parties when they also support those ideals.

[Comrade Grumpy]

146. I'm not voting for Obama again.

[LittleBlue]

177. Or voters could fail to show up in the mid terms

Elections are largely about turnout. What a president does has an effect even if he's not running again. Look at what Shrub did to his party in 2006 and 2008.

[Tansy_Gold]

51. +1 more. n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

53. +1

[truth2power]

61. + another 1. n/t

[pintobean]

67. +1 more

[LittleBlue]

98. Bingo

[roody]

99. +1

[Phlem]

127. Amen brotha!

Is he seriously suggesting :

"Grab your ankles" "Whack!!" "Thank you sir may I have another?"



-p

[dflprincess]

129. Exactly

We've heard him give pretty speeches before.

[840high]

148. You got it right.

[KoKo]

152. Well Said...!

[HERVEPA]

4. This what you're hoping for?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable.

I don't sign loyalty oaths.

[markpkessinger]

8. Amen! n/t

[HangOnKids]

11. Damn Fucking Straight!

[RobertEarl]

12. Great, the republicans love that 'tude

But be prepared if one decides to bash our Democrats. This is, imo, a war. We either fight together or we get at least another 2 years of republicans driving us over the cliff. It is simple; want to vent? Vent on republicans.

I get that there are many who are think they are so independent and oh so perfect that they don't feel they have to be quiet for just a bit. And I can be like that myself. But now is the time to spend our limited energy on one direction, and that direction is to overwhelm them at the ballot box.

Yeargghhhh!! All 50 States!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. I'd rather spend my limited energy speaking out against government abuse..

..no matter which party, politician, or celebrity is in power.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams

[RobertEarl]

21. That's good

For the next year preface it with the fact that the republicans are to blame for 99% of the government's abuses. Is that so hard to do?

[Distant Quasar]

35. 99%? Really?

I despise everything about the Republican Party, but Republicans are responsible for only about 50 percent of the abuses I find truly despicable. The other 50 percent are bipartisan.

[Phlem]

114. !

nice.

[Phlem]

115. Well he did say he has a pen and phone if congress doesn't straighten out something to that extent.

I say he's had the magic wand all along.



-p

[WorseBeforeBetter]

195. Congress hasn't been "intransigent" enough...

or so I learned in another thread. Guess 5 years -- 5 fucking years -- is the magic time limit.

The American Presidency Project -- Executive Orders
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

[sabrina 1]

55. Using Republicans isn't going to work anymore. Try showing us something we can support rather than

asking for blind partisanship. Been there, don that. over nad over again. Didn't work, now what else do you have to offer? Is the President going to abandon the TPP disaster for America's Working Class? Any news on ending the brutal, criminal Drone program? How about 'NO CUTS TO SS'? Remember, the Chained CPI? Is it off the table yet?

I know too many great Americans who are suffering to be willing to sign any Loyalty Oaths. Did that already and deeply regret it.

[RobertEarl]

64. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran

The 47% will not vote for me.

Our goal is no second term for Obama.

[sabrina 1]

68. Drone, drone, drone, wedding parties, innocent children

whatever. Don't know what you are trying to convey but has something happened that I am not aware of? Like investigations of war criminals eg?

Wake us up when something like that happens.

[RobertEarl]

78. So what will bashing Obama on DU do?

What good will it do at the executive meetings to sit around and pronounce "woe is us"? When we are staffing campaign offices and someone comes in, do we start telling them how unhappy we are to have Obama as president?

Have you seen how many military brass have been laid off? Petraus anyone?

Do you realize how the republicans will bash democrats? And we should join them in their bashing?

[AgingAmerican]

120. Critique is not bashing

Bashing: not liking something or someone for no reason
Criticism: not liking something or the actions of someone but with valid reasons for doing so

[bobduca]

144. Worth posting in response to every jackbooted loyalist screeching for unity

[RobertEarl]

156. So, unity is a bad thing?

Critiquing was not in my OP. Bashing was. What you just did was a bashing of the idea that we need party unity. See the dif?

Jackbooted loyalist? That was a bash. A mean spirited trash term. And you use it to describe me, a good Democrat? WTF? Yep, this OP is about that type bullshit.

[liberal_at_heart]

161. unity is an illusion best left to the conservatives.

[RobertEarl]

163. Are you new to politics?

Because most everyone I know in real world politics would not agree with you.

They know we need to come together to beat the VRWC.

[liberal_at_heart]

164. I'm severely pissed at the democrats over education right now. You don't want to get me

going on whether or not we need to come together just to beat the other team.

[bobduca]

165. So very sorry

I will only post positively-wise moving forward and looking upward-wise.

[RobertEarl]

166. Good, You are converted.

Who's next?

[sabrina 1]

169. Depends on what we are united about. We were united in 2008 remember? We thought

our elected officials who we put into power would do at least some of the things they promised.

We expected at the end of the nightmare Bush years to see a few things happen such as:

1) Prosecute the War Criminals
2) Prosecute the Wall St Criminals
3) End all of Bush's fake wars
4) Close that stain on our country, the torture chamber at Guantanamo Bay
5) End the Orwellian, supposedly temporary, Constitution destroying Patriot Act
6) Protect Social Security and end the lie that it had anything to do with the deficit
7) End tax breaks and subsidies for Corporations who outsource American jobs
8) Reform Health Care not Health Insurance, at least a Public Option
9) Stop Bush's Privatization of our Educational System
10)Stop Spying on the American people. They were supposed to 'fix' that airc

I could go on, but you get the picture. We were all very united in 2008 and we 'won'. The battle, but we lost the war.

So what are you asking us to unite for? Another Corporate Friendly Congress filled with DLC/Third Way Corporate stooges?

Give us something to unite around and you might have a point. But it's a different time now. We've seen the results of 'winning' so we're not as excited about it as we used to be.

Beating Republicans isn't going to do much good. They seem to run things even when we win.

And what is this bi-partisan thing where we do most of the compromising even when we win, and our Dem President can't find Democrats to put in Cabinet positions so we get the very Republicans we threw out of office, BACK into powerful positions in the Government anyhow. SOD eg. Clapper in Intel and on and on.

Just joining hands and being united isn't very tempting anymore.

See the numbers of people who no longer identify with either party now? Good luck asking them to unite back to the Dem Party who told us they don't need us anyhow, our ideas are 'retarded'.

Sorry, not buying.

[noiretextatique]

172. +1000

[RobertEarl]

179. I don't disagree

We have reason to be disappointed.

I live in NC. I am experiencing losing. Just a few more republicants in office and NC is going from a first world state to a third world state.

Obama is not responsible for most of your list of complaints. He inherited them because bush was in office for 8 years. The main reason bush was in office for 8 years was because Gore just wasn't good enough.

Gore just wasn't good enough. God damn that all to hell!! This would be a different world without that mofo bush in office for 8 years. And NC would still be making progress with just a few more "not good enough Democrats".

It is not the Democrats fault this country is so screwed up. Democrats are responsible for Min. wage, SS, Medicare, civil rights, and a host of other good things that we accomplished over the opposition of the republicants.

I am sorry you have no respect for that history or for the immediate suffering of millions who suffer because the republicants won too many elections the last few cycles. But you feel great because you are standing high demanding perfection and willing to see Democrats be defeated and replaced by republicants because they are just not good enough.

[sabrina 1]

194. Please stop with the attempt to emotionally manipulate people by 'accusing' of being principled.

Since when did standing on principle become a bad thing in our Party?

That tactic too won't work anymore.

Bush didn't do it alone, he got help from many of those Corporate Dems I mentioned above. And Gore didn't lose, the election was stolen and nothing was done about that either. Republicans STILL control the voting machines, as if THAT wasn't a disgrace in itself. Privatized Elections too, thanks for reminding me.

Present us with Candidates who will never cast a vote for Bush policies and we will rally to their side.
,
Present us with Candidates who will not back away from TELLING THE TRUTH to the American people and won't sugar coat it by calling all the travesties of the past dozen years resulting from Bush policies and THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THEM, 'mistakes'.

Repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result is foolish. And we did that, over and over, now it's time to change course.

And tell the Party to stop attacking the Left, calling their ideas 'retarded', sending out their 'messengers' to slam them for caring about this country. We are getting the message. They don't want the Left in the party, they just want their votes and their energy and their donations to KEEP THEM in the party.

It's up to the Leadership of this party to earn votes from those they and their messengers have trashed on a regular basis. Maybe we could see a few Progressive Dems in the Cabinet rather than 'Republicants' eg.

Maybe they could assure the voters that they will NEVER vote for the job destroying TPP. I know, too much 'perfection' to ask to keep US jobs at home.

Maybe they could assure the voters, who overwhelmingly support SS across party lines so there isn't even a political risk in doing so, that they WILL DROP the cuts to SS in the form of the Chained CPI.

Maybe they could explain why Offshore Drilling hasn't done much for Americans in terms of, what was promised, no more dependence on foreign oil, and better prices etc.

Sorry to be so demanding of 'perfection'. What should we be demanding in your opinion? Nothing, something, crumbs, perfection?

There's an old saying that could not be more true:

Aim for the stars and you might hit a tree

Sure, what we want is perfection. Heard that derogatory statement so many times now it only makes me wonder why they don't spend more money to buy new talking points. Even 'perfect' talking points lose their power after a while.

[Maedhros]

203. Gore wasn't good enough to win his home state (Tennessee). [n/t]

[NuclearDem]

207. That's hardly Gore's fault. Tennessee is deep red.

He actually did better there than any Democrat since.

Same reason Romney had no chance of winning Massachusetts.

[Maedhros]

208. TN elected him to the Senate in a state-wide election.

Couldn't be THAT Red.

[NuclearDem]

209. Democrats do get elected in red states.

Usually Blue Dogs.

[deutsey]

192. +1

[Sheepshank]

180. BULL CRAP

bashing, is never finding a positive side...there is plenty of bashing going on by the same names over and over...when pressed up thread to place some blame on the Republicans, the bashers can't get themselves to do even that.

Honest criticism, acknowledging the good and the bad doesn't seem to come from the bashers. Nothing noble in your comment just made up shit.

[AgingAmerican]

181. Some issues don't have a positive side

Does that mean they are hands off, because criticizing them would be bashing?

[Sheepshank]

198. You are saying Obama doesn't have any positive sides?

WTF?

By all means continue bashing...... just know it will be called "bashing" and not "constructive critisism".

No one is saying you can't bash...but don't expect it to be received as anything but.....

[AgingAmerican]

205. No, you just said that

I said, "Some issues don't have a positive side".

[Whisp]

132. did aliens abduct the real RobertEarl?

hmm, I must be mistaken because the RE I recall was very anti-Obama.

maybe the aliens got to ME instead???

[NuclearDem]

139. Got bitten by a radioactive starfish.

[zappaman]

143. Well played!

But the bite was in 1789, I believe...

[RobertEarl]

158. Well, whisp

You need to have your memory tested.

Unless you have been following me around how would you know? Hell yes I have been critical of Obama. Only a blind person would not. But I don't bash him. And from now until next year, after the election, it will be rare that I will spend any time at all focusing on any of the bad things Obama has or is doing, just the good. The time is now to put aside the differences, and work to keep unity in the party so we can elect a full slate of Democrats to office this year. You in, or out?

[Whisp]

159. were they grays or greens?

[RobertEarl]

167. What color are you? Can you tell?

[sabrina 1]

149. What does 'bashing Obama' have to do with me? If you can find a post of mine that is bashing OBAMA

feel free to post it. Otherwise I have no idea what this is all about.

I will never remain silent about policies that are harmful to the American people if that's what you are asking. Politicians are not that important to me, ISSUES are.

[RobertEarl]

155. Nothing about you in particular, Sabrina

We were just having a discussion about not bashing. You, as far as I have seen have not been one to just bash anyone. You can be critical but you do it intelligently and with reason. There are others who do like to bash Obama and the party. It does deserve criticism, but not bashing. Both, in these next few months leading up to the election, I feel, need a large measure of loyalty from us Democrats.

I used to run with a lot of good old boys in politics. We didn't sit around talking about how bad we were and how the party sucked. No, we talked about how to keep seats in our party's hands. And guess what? It worked. I like going with what works. Being a PUMA type and saying screw party unity, does not work.

[KoKo]

150. DU is a Website for Democrats...(formerly known as Underground) for those

of us who joined up when it first started as a reaction to Bush II stealing an election by way of the Supreme Court.

If you want a total Dem Centrist Lock Step Devoted group of people...there's "Daily Kos" and "Move On. org" or any number of Neo Lib Sites that might suit you.

Remember...Dem Party is the BIG TENT PARTY...and trying to disparage Democrats who have as much right to be here as you do...does seem to be a bit "Republican Tea Partyish" sounding.

Why are you doing this?

[diabeticman]

128. +100000

[snooper2]

7. It doesn't matter anymore, it's too late

Fukushima Robert Earl Fukushima!

[cui bono]

9. So we should just ignore TPP, Chained CPI, spying...

No thanks.

I'll get my pom-poms out when he starts working for us and not the banksters and corporations.

[HangOnKids]

26. Those pom poms are gonna be dusty and rusty when and if it happens

Yet the Obama drill team is marching on. A tad out of step, but marching on.

[Common Sense Party]

10. DU must pull together and present a unified face to the world????

Do you think the world cares what we argue about here on DU? Honestly?

This has nothing to do with what the world wants. This is what you want. You don't want to read criticisms of people who aren't doing what they're supposed to do.

[RobertEarl]

14. Yes, It is what I want.

You don't? You don't want to win the state houses and congress?

[Common Sense Party]

19. I'm not naive enough to think that a few posts on an anonymous message board

are going to change electoral outcomes either way.

Do you honestly think "the world" pays attention to what is said on DU?

[n2doc]

34. Last I heard, Obama isn't running for congress, or a state house position

Let me know if that changes. Until then I will direct my energies and cash towards electing democrats to those offices, and supporting my President when he has policies I wish to support. And opposing those policies of his that I don't support.

[sabrina 1]

57. What does 'winning' mean? We did WIN and then were told we didn't win enough to stop the

ALL POWERFUL (even after losing everything btw) Republicans from standing in our way.

So explain what 'winning' means to the Working Class. It's been 5 years since we WON everything and we're not seeing the results in Education, in War, Drones, Spying on the American people, the TPP, the Pipeline, Fair Taxes on the Wealthy, JOBS that actually pay a living wage,

Most of all we have seen ZERO accountability for Wall St and War Criminals.

Whistle Blower protection, I could go on and on.

Winning is over rated as we found out pretty quickly. But what is your view of 'winning'?? More Third Wayers who slap a 'D' after their names then vote for every Corporate issue that finds its way to Congress?

[RobertEarl]

71. Warren won in MA

I vaguely recall 2009 -10.

Oh yeah, here it comes back.

Pelosi was the Speaker.... the house was the most productive ever. The economy was turned around. Obamacare passed by something like one vote.

Progress.

Then we understandably got a bit miffed we didn't get more and the republicans won. Win/lose. And here we are. I'd rather we just kept winning. This election we should win. But we may blow it.

[BlueCaliDem]

92. The ObamaHaters infesting this board don't give a crap

about party unity. THEY are the Party, don't you know? It"s their way or they'll be just as happy to be enablers of Republican rule.

Besides, who's to say they're Democrats to begin with? With all the anti-Obama and anti-Democratic Party posts they post, when do they have time excoriating the REAL enemy of this country - the Republicans?

The writing is on the wall. They claim to want everything - or be prepared for more Republicans in Congress that, in turn, will allow them to rant and rave for another two years under a President they never supported to begin with.

Don't be fooled. The usual suspects got their marching orders and, damn it! They're going to march this country over the cliff all the while ranting and raving until you hear their pathetic cries fade into the distance.

[Phlem]

116. There it is! Haters!

I was wondering when that one was coming.

Wow! Your post is just......Wow!

-p

[AgingAmerican]

122. Criticism = hate?

We have our 'marching orders!' from the evil empire by golly!

[sendero]

131. Here's ...

... your sign.

[bvar22]

185. LOL.

Now THATS funny.
I don't care who you are.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

196. Obamacare may blow it for Senator Kay Hagan (D) in North Carolina.

Polls show 56% of likely voters hate it, and they're going to take it out on her. Tillis is up by 7%, and Dr. Teabagger is up by 4%.

Regress.

[bobduca]

142. Cause, effect.

Cause effect. they are related somehow, maybe through wishes and good intentions of democrats on this board we can make that happen! everyone just has to police their posts and only post positively about all democrats regardless of their positions!

[last1standing]

15. Baaaa baaaa baaaaa baaaaa baaaaaaa.

Baaaa baaaa baaaaa baaaa baaaaa baaaa baaaaa baaaaa baaaaaa. Baaaa baaaa baaaa baaaaa baaaa baaaaa baaaa, baaaa baaaa.





Translated: Be a good little sheep. Do not question authority or your lot in life. We will tell you when to speak, little sheep.



All I can say in response is "Baaa Baa!"

[el_bryanto]

16. We aren't likely to

And why would you want us too? Hold Obama's feet to the fire. He's a centrist, wall-street guy, and unless he feels like our votes matter, he will govern as a centrist, wall-street guy.

Bryant

[SomethingFishy]

18. So if Obama says "I'm going to sign the TPP into law" next week

I should jump up and down and cheer?

If he decides to attack Iran I should shut up?

If he decides to stay in Afghanistan till 2024 I should go and hide?

Sorry. You want blind obedience? You need to switch parties.

I am happy to give Obama kudos and support him when he deserves it and I'm happy to take him to task when he does something stupid.

[progressoid]

23. Exactly.

When Democrats act like Republicans, they get no support from me.

[KoKo]

151. Indeed!

[MADem]

217. Congress has to vote it in, first. Will you jump up and cheer for them when they do?

Will you sit silently by while they read and discuss, or will you put yourself in THEIR path and demand that they not give the agreement the up check?

Or will you be willfully obtuse to their conduct, and only excoriate the executive branch, after the Congress presents it for signature?

It's a fair question...there are many hoops that TPP has to jump through before it hits the President's desk.

He's not a king. There are some small things he can do unilaterally, but there's lots he cannot do.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. 2004 called and is asking for you back. nt

[wandy]

22. For all the things I think President Obama has let us down on.............

For all the times I have cursed the back-boneless Democrats in congress.
For the deceptions and sellouts in the last few years.

Only one question remains.

If this is a mess, what in all hell would it be like had Sir Romney of blue-blood and his gang of robber barons come into power.

I will 'bicker' with Democrats, but you can't argue with fools and takers.
I'll hold my nose if I have to.

[RobertEarl]

28. That's a winning 'tude

For all our disagreements and all our fighting in the party, we must remember that the reason neither McCain or Romney are presiding over us, is because the Democratic Party - all the rednecks, the liberals, the honest gun owners, many capitalists and other diverse individuals, voting together, are why Obama IS presiding over us.

Together, we did something few 8 years ago could imagine possible.

United we stand, divided we get Bheonered.

[wandy]

37. Our weakness is that we argue amongst ourselves.........

Our strength is that we argue amongst ourselves until we find a path.
Sheep, we are not.
I don't ask that any two Democrats to totally agree on any direction.
I just trust we can agree as to where we do not want to go.

[Laelth]

69. Well said. n/t

-Laelth

[Maedhros]

107. A Romney presidency would have had at least one benefit:

rank and file Democrats would have unified against:

* Warrantless surveillance by the NSA
* Drone murder
* Indefinite detention and Gitmo
* the TPP
* Chained CPI
* a President claiming the authority to execute citizens with no due process
* attacking a sovereign nation against the specific resolution of Congress
* education "reform" that punishes teachers

As it stands, too many rank-and-file Democrats now defend these policies because one of their tribe is in the White House.

[Phlem]

117. C'mon man, tude is not going to win us an election. We voted for him

because he was a more progressive person when he was running. Now that we've seen 5 years of third way you can't blame people for being upset. And we all know Hillary is going to be more of the same. We need Better Politicians, the support will follow.

We need to see substance in the words he uttered not the opposite action.

Be honest about the situation please.

-p

[Maven]

24. What year is this?

[cbayer]

25. You pull out that intensely provocative term PUMA, then ask for unity?

Priceless.

[HangOnKids]

27. Oh Gawd I Agree With You

Never saw that coming.

[RobertEarl]

30. Screw the PUMAS

That 'tude, the party unity my ass, needs to go away.

Party Unity is the most important thing in today's political world that we can envision.

[HangOnKids]

31. Gee I was not talking to you BOB

Busting into another's post is rude and cheap. Go away.

[RobertEarl]

36. Hahahaha

Hang on, this place goes out of your control sometimes.

Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

Said one of the best Democratic presidents ever.

[Common Sense Party]

111. "this place goes out of your control sometimes."

Exactly. It isn't under YOUR control, either. People are free to say what they want to say about people they voted for who aren't holding up their end of the bargain.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

38. Why are you working so hard against it, then?

Do you really not get that calling people names and demanding they shut up and fall in line behind your position is *bad* for party unity, not good?

If you really care about party unity, the only way to work towards it is to make concessions to the people you disagree with, not to demand they do so to you.

[RobertEarl]

47. Nice preaching

Who's a PUMA? I thought they wore that proudly? Are you saying that they don't like being called a PUMA?

There are quite few things that will get one banned from DU. Demanding Party Unity is NOT one of those.

And as for kissing the ass of anyone who wants to divide our unity, put me in the column of not doing so for the next year. DU's reason for being is getting Democrats elected. Guess what? It's election time. We all need to get with the program.

YEARGGHHH!!

[oldhippie]

44. That's sexist ...

.... I think you should delete that.

[bvar22]

65. There have been other cultures that believed that Party Unity was more important than Good Policy.

It didn't end well.


Those who don't know History will be condemned to repeat it.

[RobertEarl]

72. More democrats means

Better chance to have better government. It is that simple.

A year from now, heck even a little sooner, we can all go back to chewing on ourselves.

[cbayer]

33. Really? I had no idea.

And I mean that sincerely.

[HangOnKids]

39. Yes my first impression of you is correct

Love the way you play small ball bayer.

[cbayer]

41. I wish I knew what you were saying here.

I don't know whether to be flattered or insulted.

[HangOnKids]

42. Be flattered

You rock!

[cbayer]

45. OK, thanks for that.

I don't often get a compliment around here, so I will take it.

[HangOnKids]

91. You rock

Take the compliment!

[jeff47]

29. Why does it matter? The time travelling radiation from Fukushima has already killed us all. (nt)

[RobertEarl]

32. Not that shit again!!

Get over it already.

But since you mention it, Sen Reid's man in the NRC, a fella named Jazcko, has raised the alarm about the dangerous nuke plants in the US. He has said we should close many, yesterday. And the republicans got him fired for that.

So yeah, lets get more power in Reid's hands. You have a problem with that?

[jeff47]

40. Yeah, it really sucks when people remember your past.

Or maybe the time-traveling radiation changed your past.

[RobertEarl]

43. Radiation has always been here.

Is that something you forgot? You deny radiation being a part of life on the planet?

Say, you aren't one of those who think nuke power is safe, are you?

[NuclearDem]

134. Oh now you've done it!

[Distant Quasar]

46. When exactly do you think it's permissible to criticize our leaders?

There's always an election coming up, and we're always being told that the next election is the most important election in the history of the world. So I have the feeling your answer is "never."

[RobertEarl]

49. Yesterday and a year from now will be fine

This is a campaign for Party Unity.

[Distant Quasar]

52. Well, you're doing a bang-up job

I can just feel the unity brewing on this thread.

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps telling people to shut up and suppress their deeply held beliefs is not the best way to win them over to your point of view?

[RobertEarl]

95. Not what I am saying

I said those who hold with the PUMA, that that kind of talk was not going to get democrats elected. Pretty simple, really.

Someone asked what good DU could do in the world. Guess is that person is new to DU. Here is my reply to that. DU inspired me to take action on a local level against a bunch of loudmouth republicants. There was more than a little success because of us uniting as a party. And DU played a role in that. YMMV.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. One day you are pushing the Feds are doing notihng about Fuku

(which they are) and next you push the sheep meme and we should not be PUMAs. Now that is what I call priceless.

By the way, I see this did not go the way you intended either.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Ooooh, I love oldies!

Top hits of 2008, here we go!

[Le Taz Hot]

54. Heil!

<clicks heels>

[bvar22]

56. Present a Unified Face to the World?

I'm IN... as long as we UNITE behind these issues:

*End the Drone Bombings

*Restore the Constitution to pre-Patriot Act levels

*Restore Taxes and Trade Policies to pre-Reagan rates
(71% on the top bracket)

*Tax Capital Gains as income

*Reissue a NEW and BETTER Glass -Steagall Act

*Restore competition in the US Media (Break Up the Big Boys)

*Raise Minimum Wage to $14.00/hr.

*Institute a REAL National Public Option for Health Insurance

*End the failed War on Drugs

*Cut military spending by 50% this year,
and another 25% next year.

*End the Foreign Occupations
bring the Troops Home

*Re-Task our Military to National defense ONLY

*Use the money save from the Military Cuts to build a State of the Art
National High Speed Rail and Transportation system using ONLY American manufactured parts
and local labor.

*Embrace FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights as the Democratic Party Platform

*End ALL "Free Trade" Deals,
and renegotiate Trade on a bi-lateral basis emphasizing American Jobs, HUman Rights, and Environmental Protections

*Recind China's MFN Trade Status

*Break Up everything Too-Big-to-FAIL

*reissue the Sherman Act specifically forbidding large, out-of-state corporations
from moving into small towns and undercutting locally owned businesses

*JAIL the Wall Street Bankers with Public Perp Walks

*FREE Chelsea Manning

*Free Don Seigelman

*Make EFCA (Card Check) the Law of the Land

*FUCK MONSANTO, and expel their lobbyists and lawyers from the USDA and the FDA




....as soon as YOU can unite with ME behind the above issues,
I'm sure we can all present a United Face to the Nation.
Thanks!
--bvar22


[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

[Laelth]

70. Excellent list. n/t

-Laelth

[RobertEarl]

82. I'm with you, bvar

And how do we get 'er done?

By having a democratic controlled congress. That is the first rung on that ladder.

[KoKo]

153. I've not seen anything you've posted, "RobertEarl" that seems

to advocate what "bvar" is posting. It's not what you've said on this post calling people names and such. I've not seen a post advocating anything but some kind of unity to get behind a name.

[RobertEarl]

162. I've left it up to yall.

But now I'm back. It's time.

We're both in NC. I had a great rep in the legislature. He would agree to about half of what bvar says. Just half. But in his years he kept the state going pretty good. Lots of good programs. Now? He was voted out of office and the liberals around here, which are few, would not support him. "He's not good enough" Well, shit, now we have a republican dominated legislature.

Hows that f'n working out for us?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

197. Which rep are you referring to? (n/t)

[sendero]

171. You keep saying that as though there was an ounce of truth.

... in your words. As we have seen all too clearly in the last 20 years or so, just because someone calls themself a Democrat doesn't mean they really are.

Of every Democrat in congress RIGHT NOW, I'll be there is not ONE who would endorse even 50% of that list. NOT ONE.

And they enable the bad bad Repubs at every turn. With friends like most Democrats in congress, who needs enemies?

THAT IS THE PROBLEM, A MENAGERIE OF FAKE DEMOCRATS. GETTING MORE FAKE DEMOCRATS ELECTED ISN'T GONG TO DO ANYTHING GOOD.

[BrotherIvan]

96. Big rec for this post!

Glad I waded through the rest of the inanity to read it.

[diabeticman]

136. YES!!!!

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

168. I would love to see citizens united around this platform!

[Puzzledtraveller]

174. ^^this^^

[Maedhros]

204. Hey! I'm united behind that list!

Maybe you're onto something?

[bemildred]

58. No. nt

[cthulu2016]

59. WTF?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

60. Sigh....

[Throd]

62. I suggest a good old fashioned purge.

Sign the loyalty oath or these men shall escort you down the hall.

[Rex]

63. Wow, what total failsauce. Don't you know you cannot call for unity

while also causing strife? Silly Billy!

[alarimer]

66. Blind obedience to any "leader" is for fool and chumps.

Think for yourself.

[Fumesucker]

73. Nice troll, Hitler

You sucked in half of GD on that one..

[zappaman]

79. !!!

[RobertEarl]

87. Heil!!

They are so easy, they fell right over.

Really, tho, as someone who has been chewed on by this board, I realize that our meanness knows no bounds.

If we could just get them to chew on republicans, instead, my toenails might grow back.

[Fumesucker]

94. That was a troll de farce, I was actually suprised how many people fell for it

I'm still

[RobertEarl]

97. Excuse me?

You think asking for party unity is trolling?

You think beating republicans at their own game is wrong?

I am not clear what it is you are attempting.

[Fumesucker]

102. Your OP was pretty good, you pushed an impressive number of GD hot buttons

Right up there with Manny G..

[Phlem]

133. This answer alone makes the whole fucking thread! For the Win!

-p

[NuclearDem]

137. Alright, it's official. This is just a SPECTACULAR level of satire.

I'll admit, you really got me when you were citing ENENews.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

90. Point of order, Sir!

Did you mean Adolf Hitler or Eddie Hitler? There is a difference, you know.

[NuclearDem]

126. ...

[Laelth]

75. I would love to see a wave election in favor of Democrats nation-wide.

I think you meant well with this thread. Just thought I'd say so.

That said, if Democrats will stand for and work for the people, they will win. Please, everyone, remember Truman:

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

-Laelth

[Armstead]

76. BEST Post of the day (for the responses)

[MyNameGoesHere]

77. Wow just got a nostalgic 2008 reference flashback

but I do appreciate the wonderful attempt in trying to bury the divisive stuff by shouting PUMA in your post. Well done.

[fadedrose]

80. I like him as a man and as a President

and hope you can stir up some enthusiasm and loyalty, much needed at this time. We shouldn't kick someone when they're down then grab their coattails when they come into money, and that's true of anyone whether they're your neighbor or your President.

[xocet]

83. Thank you for your concern. n/t

[riversedge]

85. Does that mean DU will be uniting around Hillary-

Assuming she is the Candidate??? IN that case, as I recall, there will be no resistance from any PUMA's--if any still exist.

[Demo_Chris]

86. I predict 200 replies, all saying "NO" nt

[baldguy]

88. I'm appalled at the "liberal" people here on DU who whine about Obama being a dictator

Like some moran Teabagger - spouting the same lies & the same shit that you get from the GOP propaganda network. Then they bemoan the fact that their favorite social justice issues are ignored, sidetracked & struck down due to Republican influence in Congress and the courts. As if there's no connection between between the two.

Clueless. Clueless. Clueless.

[Armstead]

109. I wish I were as smart as you

[Phlem]

121. I know your smarter than him.

I haven't seen so much shit brained, goofy fucking idiocy, toilet speak in my life in a thread ever.

Jeebus!




-p

[baldguy]

199. "You're"

[Phlem]

211. spelling, that's all you've got?

read U'r Post again and think TTP.

Jeebus fucking Christ. I didn't know you were such a rocket scientist.

And Check it again, yoooor post is full of fail.

-p

[Bobbie Jo]

214. Here's the thing....

If you're going to mock someone's intelligence, the use of poor spelling/grammar make you look foolish.

Read your post again and think 6th grade English.

[Phlem]

215. Oh.... OK Bobby Jo! Thank You 4 That!

Another addition to my ignore list.

-p

[Bobbie Jo]

216. Pssst...

It's Bobbie Jo, and knock yourself out.

[noiretextatique]

173. who are these "liberals"?

Names, please. Pathetic that you keep using "liberal" as an epithet like some row asshole. Are you a liberal?

[baldguy]

200. Note the difference between "liberal" and liberal.

"Liberals" certainly aren't liberals.

[Phlem]

212. Oh Noes! he's gonna mess U ups with teh spelling.

I guess that'll show you.



-p

[noiretextatique]

218. typing on 'smartphone'

However he did not name the names

[AgingAmerican]

182. Should we be united

...around NSA domestic spying?

[aristocles]

89. Party loyalty? Uber alles?

[bravenak]

93. That won't work.

We need to pull the party to the left before the elections. Please??

[trueblue2007]

100. RIGHT ON. time to get tough

[RobertEarl]

106. It is time

I never want to see another republicant controlled house of reps, or in my state legislature.

Lost my rep in NC who was great, and now we are in a deep hole.

[zappaman]

101. Well done!

[WillyT]

103. Hey RE... It's Possible To Do Both... I'm Done Playing Nice With Republicans...

Have been done would that, for several decades. And...

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024392050

The problem is the that the Democratic Party is just as susceptible to the donor/vulture class, as the GOP is. Not as fully as the GOP, but far more than a party that allegedly purports to defend the working man and woman should be.

So we will continue to call out those that fail the VERY BASIC TEST... of being a Democrat.

[Skip Intro]

130. posted in wrong spot...

[WillyT]

135. I Did Not Agree To Blind Faith...

I said that is quite appropriate, to lambast both the Republican Thugs, AND the Democratic Quislings.

[Skip Intro]

138. Sorry man, thoght I was replying to the OP.

[WillyT]

145. It's All Good !!!

[Gothmog]

201. Please come to Texas

We can use some help with the GOP idiots who are attacking Wendy Davis.

[Phlem]

213. ^^THIS^^

Thanks WillyT

-p

[Firebrand Gary]

104. Kicked & Recd

[OmahaBlueDog]

124. +1

[Barack_America]

105. Is this where I Dean Scream?

Yeeeaaaarrrgghh!

[Maedhros]

110. A Democrat will get my vote if she earns it.

Not many have been earning it lately.

[jazzimov]

113. We'll see a lot more Progressive laws

if we have more Dem's in power.

Yes, even the DINO's. At this point, it's about numbers.

Next year, we can all go back to bitchin' about who's not "liberal" enough. Right now, it's about numbers.

[Beacool]

119. PUMAs???

Most of the people here doing the worst bashing didn't vote for Hillary in the primaries.

[Blue_In_AK]

140. Who made you boss?

[Skip Intro]

141. This is a joke, right? Satire maybe?

Blind faith in the lesser of two evils is hereby demanded? Criticism of our leader is forbidden?

You gotta be able to see how creepy that is.

[NuclearDem]

147. It's got to be at this point.

First parodying the extreme arguments against the NSA with the Nazi metadata thread, then the paranoid radiophobes with the starfish thread, now the party unity line.

It's got to be a joke. Otherwise it's just disappointing.

[Skip Intro]

183. I hope, but coming to think he's serious.

He's not the only one serious about pushing some lockstep, repeat-after-me weirdness either.

[KoKo]

154. It's kind of strange..to start out calling folks names and such and

calling for some lock step unity...like we are in Campaign 2016 Mode. It seems like derogatory name calling of some Dems about other Dems...and seems strange since the OP wants UNITY.

[Skip Intro]

184. It has been my experience that name-calling seldom leads to unity.

But name-calling or not, this lock-step support and quashing of dissent and criticism that is being demanded, which has been demanded by several since 2007, and before, is indeed scary.

[RobertEarl]

160. Why make up stuff like that?

Where did I write this "Blind Faith"?

"Criticism is forbidden" Where is that written?

Do you realize making stuff up is creepy? Then why do it?

[Skip Intro]

186. You really gonna go that route?

It is clear what you're saying in your OP.

"OK, no more bashing Obama." < Criticism is forbidden.

"We stand at a time when party unity was never so important for our country and the world." < Blind faith/support.

"So my advice to all you who just love to stir the divisive stuff, is that you bury it for the next year, " < Obviously, since you fail to mention specifics, and in the context of your OP, "divisive" = critical, and this is a reiteration of the "don't criticize, support blindly" demands which permeate your OP.

We ain't all just here to baa on cue, you know.

[RobertEarl]

188. Well, if you can make shit up so can I

I read your message as
""Screw the Democrats. I hate them. I will not support the party. They are all idiots.""

[Skip Intro]

189. Hey, I didn't write your OP, you did.

[RobertEarl]

190. And I stand with it

But your made up bs you can stick where the sun don't shine. Please.

Your message of "Screw the party" is a message of giving up. No wonder you are now running from that, eh?

[Skip Intro]

193. Oh my. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

157. I promise, I'll vote for him next time.

Oh, wait.

It turns out that we have to vote for someone else? Who knew?

He ain't running again. His only value is the policy he can bring on behalf of the public.

[PowerToThePeople]

170. if there is no liberal third party to get my vote

Then I may as well vote for more of this bullshit. Not like I have any real choice now.

[NaturalHigh]

175. Was this OP meant to piss people off...

or is that just a coincidence? It seems like you're giving people the "my way or the highway" speech.

[Puzzledtraveller]

176. I choked on Goldfish crackers

laughing to this post.

[JustAnotherGen]

178. I'm going to ignore the subthreads

And say I'm in agreement with you. However - Republicans are doing something very very seductive in Hunterdon County NJ - our Congressman is one of the those whose head is on the chopping block for making the moves he did to help end the shut down . . .

They are proactively going after the affluent minority (including black Americans) vote in Hunterdon County NJ.

Two direct reach outs from them to our house hold.

I'm wondering if other DU'ers like me are getting these reach outs. . . . because it's awfully seductive to hear North Eastern Republicans who honor the affluence of our household yet totally slam and discount the wingnut fringe of their party and play on the glory days of the NJ Republican Machine that was inclusive to all Americans.

That's very interesting.

On one hand we have the far left wanting us to go awol on the Party until this, that or the other thing - and on the other hand Republicans are reaching out to a mixed race (black/white) high earning and wealth holding household in the North East and showing us what we have in common with our Congress Critter.

Now don't get me wrong - I'm voting against Lance. But it's pretty interesting the outreach from Moderate Republicans to what should be slam dunk for the Democratic Party.


And I'm sharing this because your right - if we want to take back the house - the far left can't let these folks seduce me. There others like me in Flemington NJ . . . And the NJ 7th is takeable if this TEA Party candidate folks are whispering about runs.

[PowerToThePeople]

191. PUMA avatar

[tazkcmo]

202. Ready?

OK!

Rah! Rah!
Shish boom bah!
Three big cheers for Obama!
Gooooooooooooooooo TEAM!3





yay!

[TransitJohn]

206. Oh, is it time for DU purity oaths again?

Nothing quite like a DU pogrom of liberals.