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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWendy Davis states support for expansion of gun rights.
While Democrats elsewhere have called for tighter gun laws, Davis said she owns a handgun for protection, plans to obtain a concealed handgun license and supports legislation that allows workers to keep guns in their vehicles at work.
"I think I have been pretty strong in supporting the expansion of the rights of gun ownership," she said.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/01/21/5502458/davis-stakes-out-middle-ground.html
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)She's still a million times better than Greg Abbott.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)stg81
(351 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)It's Texas I guess, maybe you might need to shoot your lame horse while at work.
linuxman
(2,337 posts), but then again nobody has ever been violently attacked at their work-place either...
It's about carrying a handgun for self defense and not being defacto banned from doing so on your way to and from work.
Good for Wendy. She gets it.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)Calm yourself.
The world is full of people that don't agree with you on every little issue. Take Wendy Davis and I for example. Now I know it may be a lot to take in, but listen anyway. The world is full of people that don't look like you, talk like you, act like you, share religious beliefs with you, share sexual preferences with you, share hobbies with you, or even share 100% of your political beliefs. It can be terrifying at first, but in time it will get better.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Response to linuxman (Reply #39)
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linuxman
(2,337 posts)Projection, ad hominem, ad hominem, rinse, repeat.
If all you can do is spit platitudes about "big gun guy" this and that and insinuate that a non-threatening post didn't successfully threaten you, then I'm beginning to see why efforts by gun-controllers are failing across the board in the U.S. They have people like you carrying the water.
If all you can do is call me dumb and imply that I'm trying to intimidate you, you probably shouldn't try to debate someone on guns. It makes you sound silly.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Yes, your discourse is so much better.
There are plenty of people offering a higher level of debate. I should wonder if you don't choose to engage with them.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I've been a reader of this site for years. Probably five or more. I never registered an account until recently, as I'm not big on that (I have one account for another board, but that's it.) I'm not new to the way things work around here, and I learned years ago (and reaffirmed it daily) that the gun-control proponents on this site would rather hurl insults, feign illness/revulsion, talk about genitals, go on emotional benders, and belittle the people they disagree with, rather than debate the issue in some sort of civilized manner. Hell, you can see it all unfold in this thread. I've never once seen this "higher level of debate" you're talking about. Perhaps you could illustrate that.
You see, in my opinion, a civilized debate would be a discussion of the rights of an employer to prevent gun's on their property and how those rights come into conflict with an individuals right to self defense. What I got instead was "HURR DURR, You're a big tough guy with your GunZ!!! I ain't scared!!!" Par for the course. I try to lower myself to that level as little as possible, but let's not pretend that every debate about this issue on DU doesn't rapidly degenerate into some sort of ad hominem gang-bang.
kcr
(15,317 posts)The first response was not another gunner. Not the most civil response, but far from the worst. Your response was about equal in its lack of civility. And then to go on and act like everyone else here is the same is just piling on and over the top. As if gun's rights activists and enthusiasts butter wouldn't melt in their mouths. I stand by what I said. There are plenty of gun control activists willing to debate civilly if you want to find them.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)not go on a scavenger hunt for the rare and majestic Spotted Civil Gun Control Proponent. My first response in this thread was even keeled and not inflammatory in the least, unless you count the sarcasm smiley as offensive. My second response was aimed at the poster who seemed to be indicating that he felt ill in the presence of different people/opinion. He pretended to be sick, I pretended to care. Not seeing how what I did could be perceived as uncivil.
kcr
(15,317 posts)You don't have to go on a scavenger hunt if you don't want to. Just don't claim they don't exist.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I'd just be surprised if I ran into one. Yes, I'm guilty of generalizing, but I think most would agree that my statement more closely resembles the truth than not.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Who would those most be?
linuxman
(2,337 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)To have a thumb on the pulse of DU. Must be nice
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine we often see only that which we wish to, and discount as improbable those things which may invalidate our biases.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Can't imagine reading a site for five years and not singing up. Anyhow, what finally made you sign up after all that time?
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I'm not sure to be honest. Just sort of felt like it out of the blue. I figure I my as well make an account as I'm here so much.
MO_Moderate
(377 posts)Never met democrats quite like this site has, so thought I would broaden my horizons.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)until now? After all the gun threads, pro and con, and all the mass shootings over the years you have managed to "lurk but not comment" until this fairly innocuous thread?
Seems... fishy.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Serious question. Seeing as there were so many over the years (sandy hook was a big one) why is it that this point in time strikes you as "fishy". I suppose you'd say the same thing if I posted at any other time, whether something particularly discussion worthy were happening or not. I'll say this. After reading this site (and the old versions) for a long time, there has been one particularly prominent constant. The DU inquisition. Jesus. Seems like unless you have retired and have the time to rack up 100K posts, you're suspect.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)it's a topic you feel so strongly about.
You tell me why. Why did it take you 5 years to decide you wanted to comment? I could understand a few months or so to see if it's your kind of place but to watch for 5 years and then one day out of the blue decide it's time to join in? Pardon me, but that sets off my bullshit meter. And yes the "inquisition" is quite popular on DU, I have been through it myself. It's the nature of the internet. Nothing anyone can do about it.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)"Why did it take so long? Why are you writing about this? What do you mean like that? Where are your papers?" What a welcoming environment...
Why do people do anything? Because they want to. It's not difficult.
I honestly thought about naming my account "Trollin' for Jesus", just because I knew I'd be harassed anyway, so I might as well have poked fun at the ones doing it...
You're reading too much into something. You're welcome to continue, but you'll be having the conversation with yourself.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Response to linuxman (Reply #95)
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Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #107)
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kcr
(15,317 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)right?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)can't be a democrat and own a firearm, you must have missed the memo.
Been told that many times here.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)though.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Have seen many times and been called many names here. Killer and murderer are just a few besides not being a real democrat.
For what has this happened you might ask?
I own a firearm
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They voted their conscience--they voted for guns and for more dead kids--Baucus, Heitkamp etc.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... even "gun nut". Perhaps it's some other reason that some members are critical of you.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The RKBA forum is five doors down the hall to the right. Just follow the smell of soiled pants and the sound of dog whistles.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)You have a peculiar familiarity for those odors, for being on the innernet.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Nugent. Ted pooped his pants and peed on himself to avoid the draft in Vietnam. I am deeply offended that any organization in the United States would use him as their spokesman and call him a patriot. A lot of Vietnam era guys feel like it's a slap in their face to have Ted promote their product, and I agree.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)If you tell me that you need to walk around armed all the time, then I freely conclude you're a nut and a coward. perhaps not a popular opinion, but with all the shootings happening on the basis of "I WUZ SKURRED!" it surely seems accurate.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Stuff that would be hidden with any other topic. But it is drop trou & wade in if you support 2A.
Ironically, just yesterday I was referenced as being Ted Nugent. An alert failed, of course. There truly is a license to hate in DU.
EDIT:
Low & behold, #101. And it ain't a highway.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You sure are good at smearing some of your fellow democrats. Must make you feel good.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What's your point?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)a cell phone, yes.
He drove that for years and often when he was leaving work he'd stop at a food coach
and have a bite with the AM laborers.
They all got used to seeing each other..and joked around a lot.
Tikki
spin
(17,493 posts)In order to get to my job, I had to drive through some fairly rough areas where carjackings and bump and rob incidents were fairly common especially in the late hours. Obviously I had no need to have a gun in my car while I was inside my workplace, but I had to drive to and from it.
I felt it wisest to have a loaded handgun in my glove box which was legal in Florida at the time even without a carry permit. Florida then passed a "Take your Firearm to Work" law which required a person to have a valid carry permit to do so. I had one and fully supported the change to the law.
Fortunately I have never had to use my weapon for legitimate self defense. However, one of my co-workers was stopped at a traffic light and was approached by a man who was suffering from road rage and had a tire iron in his hands. My co-worker was caught in traffic and unable to simply drive off. He pulled his semi-auto pistol out of his glove box and placed the hand holding the weapon on his steering wheel. The other individual noticed this and wisely decided to return to his car. Had my co-worker not been armed it is possible that the man would have smashed the window the car door and injured my co-worker.
My co-worker was visibly shaken when he arrived at work, but glad that he had been armed and all ended peacefully.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Others know better than you
kcr
(15,317 posts)I'm convinced I note, too, how conveniently the the co-worker's participation in the incident was left out before it came to all the brandishing of weapons. I think if people are going to be driving through sketchy areas of town, they should refrain from getting into road rage incidents. Probably works better prevention wise.
spin
(17,493 posts)I usually drive 10 mph over the speed limit but I have had drivers who were behind me that felt I was driving far too slow.
I also became a much more polite driver when I started carrying a firearm in my car. The last thing most responsible people who legally carry would wish is to start a road rage incident. I even avoid heated arguments and am willing to walk away from an angry individual even if it makes me look like a coward to others. Many gun control advocates stereotype those who legally carry as blood thirsty killers looking for an opportunity to blow someone away, cop wannabes or vigilantes. Reality is often boring and if most of us were aggressive as suggested there would gun fights at every intersection would be common in Florida and many incidents like the Zimmerman/Martin shooting.
I do know this about my co-worker. I worked with him for fifteen years and he was always rational and stable and suffered from no anger management problems. He also had a government secret clearance and a concealed weapons permit so he had had several background checks that showed he had a criminal record of any type.
Of course you will reject the story as fiction but in all the time I knew this man he never made up any stories to impress others. As I said he was visibly shaken when he arrived at work and that's hard to fake to people who have known you for years. There was no bragging about his courage or how he stood up to his attacker. He merely was glad that he was able to avoid a violent confrontation.
You can chose to believe the story or not. I will point out that if I had made the story up, it would have been more exciting.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Sadly, that's not always the case. There are studies that say otherwise, that drivers who carry guns tend to be more aggressive. It's not that I'll reject what you say as fiction. It's just that I'm going to give some things more weight than others. The things that people post on a message board may not always get the same weight as other pieces of information. I'm sure you as an individual are perfectly nice. It's nothing personal.
spin
(17,493 posts)more polite when they started carrying.
I do know one individual who has a very quick temper which I witnessed once when he flew into a rage over a minor incident when he was visiting my home. My son in law has ridden in a car with him and says he is a very aggressive driver and shows anger at other drivers. He does have a carry permit and has had it for a good number of years. Apparently he has been able to control his temper and not misuse his weapon but my son in law and I both agree he may be a walking time bomb.
Some states like Florida and Texas publish yearly or monthly reports on crimes committed by those with carry permits. Texas does a far better job on compiling detailed statistics on this issue and you can view the state's yearly reports at http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm
The Florida report is available at: http://www.freshfromflorida.com/content/download/7499/118851/cw_monthly.pdf
Overall the statistics from states that do publish such reports reveal that those who have carry permits are far more law abiding than the average citizen. Still there are some exceptions to this rule so obviously having a carry permit does not mean you are an angel.
I also realize that many of the people I have known who have carry permits were co-workers who had government clearances. Obviously this might be a select group of people as they have all undergone a far more extensive background check than the average person with a carry permit.
kcr
(15,317 posts)A recent example, the shooter in the mall in Maryland had no criminal record prior to the shooting. Law abiding right up until that point. Not uncommon in those instances. Also described by the people who knew him as gentle.
spin
(17,493 posts)This mall shooter may be an exception to the rule.
While I may be wrong, I feel this shooting is more of a lover's dispute than a mass murder. We may never know for sure.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)But there were some red flags in his past.
July 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and accused of resisting an officer with violence near the University of Central Florida campus after a scuffle with police. The charges were eventually dropped after Zimmerman entered an alcohol education program.
August 2005, Zimmerman's former fiancee filed for a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman responded by requesting a restraining order against her. Both requests were granted. No criminal charges were filed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/18/list-george-zimmerman-past-run-ins-with-law/
Since the charges were dropped or not filed, Zimmerman had a clean record when he applied for his concealed weapons permit in December of 2009. (ref: http://mynews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/2012/12/zimmerman-fdle-gun-permit-documents.pdf)
I will point out that Zimmerman was found not guilty at his trial. Your opinion, my opinion and the opinion of the press and media are basically irrelevant in determining how the Zimmerman/Martin shooting is used for statistical purposes. The incident will be viewed as justifiable self defense.
kcr
(15,317 posts)rather meaningless. Because it's a meaningless statistic when you look at what exactly law abiding can mean. Look at good old George walking around with his guns.
spin
(17,493 posts)overall they have a much lower crime rate than average citizens.
When you license more than 1,000,000 residents of the state of Florida to carry a concealed weapon, a few will slip through the cracks and misuse their weapon.
Zimmerman had two incidents in 2005 that might have prevented him from getting a carry permit but either the criminal charges were dropped or were not filed. I pointed this out above.
I realize that you probably believe that no citizen should ever be allowed to carry a lethal weapon in public but the concealed weapons program in Florida has proven to be a success. Unlike what was predicted by the gun control advocates, Florida did not turn in the Wild West. We do not have shootouts at every intersection nor do we have gun fights on Main Street at high noon.
Many Floridians have successfully used their legally concealed weapon to stop an attack from an individual who intended to seriously injure or kill them. Most of these incidents never make the local news as they ended with no shots fired.
Surely if allowing 1,000,000 people to carry a concealed weapons was a terrible idea, Florida would have seen a dramatic increase in gun violence. This is not the case.
Florida firearm violence hits record low; concealed gun permits up
Posted: 01/09/2013
By: Jacob Carpenter, Scripps Howard News Service
NAPLES, FL - In the so-called Gunshine State, home to the most gun permits in the country, firearm violence has fallen to the lowest point on record.
As state and national legislators consider gun control laws in the wake of last month's Connecticut school shooting, Florida finds itself in a gun violence depression. The firearm-involved violent crime rate has dropped 33 percent between 2007 and 2011, while the number of issued concealed weapons permits rose nearly 90 percent during that time, state records show.
Read more: http://www.abc15.com//dpp/news/national/florida-firearm-violence-hits-record-low-concealed-gun-permits-up#ixzz2riymkR
kcr
(15,317 posts)and enthusiastically draws erroneous conclusions, part II. "Surely if allowing 1,000,000 people to carry a concealed weapons was a terrible idea, Florida would have seen a dramatic increase in gun violence. This is not the case." Ask the wife of the man who was shot for texting if they think it's a good idea. Or the family members of Treyvon Martin. The crime rate of the entire country has been going down steadily for over twenty years. No need for everyone to arm themselves to the teeth. Even if it isn't causing gun deaths to ramp up, it's not worth it to have to worry if the one person is going to be the crazed asshole who shoots you for a bag of skittles, or for texting.
spin
(17,493 posts)and instead concentrates on individual tragic incidents when someone with a permit misused his weapon.
Of course such incidents gain national attention which is understandable. Stories where a person with a carry permit save their own life or the life of others rarely make national news as the media has a bias against concealed carry. Usually they do not even make the local news unless shots were fired. Still a considerable number happen every year but unfortunately it is difficult to find reliable statistics on such incidents.
You largely ignored my point about the fact that over 1,000,000 residents of Florida have concealed carry permits and that if it was a bad idea, gun violence in Florida would have skyrocketed. You chose instead to mention two cases where most people feel the person with the permit was in the wrong. While I am not a Zimmerman fan, I will point out that a jury that heard all the evidence ruled he was not guilty. The other incident involving the man who threw popcorn at the ex-police officer has not went to trial. At this time we have not seen all the evidence or the witness statements and I feel that it's somewhat foolish to make a decision on a person's guilt or innocence based on newspaper reports. Most likely the ex-cop was overreacting to a perceived threat and will end up in prison. Before I make my decision, I will wait to see what the defense attorneys' case to be presented. I will view him as innocent until a jury rules him as guilty.
Presumption of innocence
The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on he who declares, not on he who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty. Application of this principle is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, recognised in many nations. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact, who is restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony that is legally admissible, and in most cases lawfully obtained, that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused is to be acquitted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
I did find this article interesting but of course it got just a little short lived attention by the national media.
January 3, 2014 at 1:00 am
Detroit police chief: Legal gun owners can deter crime
George Hunter
The Detroit News
Detroit If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said Thursday.
Urban police chiefs are typically in favor of gun control or reluctant to discuss the issue, but Craig on Thursday was candid about how hes changed his mind.
When we look at the good community members who have concealed weapons permits, the likelihood theyll shoot is based on a lack of confidence in this Police Department, Craig said at a press conference at police headquarters, adding that he thinks more Detroit citizens feel safer, thanks in part to a 7 percent drop in violent crime in 2013.
Craig said he started believing that legal gun owners can deter crime when he became police chief in Portland, Maine, in 2009.
***snip***
Craigs statements Thursday echoed those he made Dec. 19 on The Paul W. Smith Show on WJR (760 AM), when he said: Theres a number of CPL (concealed pistol license) holders running around the city of Detroit. I think it acts as a deterrent. Good Americans with CPLs translates into crime reduction. I learned that real quick in the state of Maine.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140103/METRO01/301030038#ixzz2rjbTuE5F
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140103/METRO01/301030038#ixzz2rjbB8dV1
kcr
(15,317 posts)For example, I know that it's the states with the most lax gun control that have the highest gun crime rates.
spin
(17,493 posts)
Crime rates vary greatly among U.S. states.[57] In 2011, the state with the lowest violent crime rate was Maine, with a rate of 123.2 per 100,000 residents, while the state with the highest violent crime rate was Tennessee, with a rate of 608.2 per 100,000.[57] However, the District of Columbia, the U.S. capital district, had a violent crime rate of 1,202.1 per 100,000 in 2011.[57] In 2011, the state with the highest property crime rate was South Carolina, with a rate of 3,904.2 per 100,000, while the state with the lowest property crime rate was South Dakota, with a rate of 1,817.7 per 100,000.[57] However, Puerto Rico, an unincorporated territory of the United States, had a property crime rate of 1,395.2 per 100,000 in 2011.[57]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
The Brady Campaign rates states on gun control using a 0-100 scorecard. California ranks highest with a score of 81. In comparison Maine gets a score of 7. (ref: http://bradycampaign.org/?q=programs/million-mom-march/state-gun-laws)
Now let's look at Utah which gets a 0 score on the Brady scorecard.
FBI data: Violent crime rate up slightly in Utah
By BRADY McCOMBS The Associated Press
First Published Sep 22 2013 09:21 pm Last Updated Sep 23 2013 12:40 pm
Violent crime ticked up statewide in 2012, but Utah still has one of the lowest rates in the country, new FBI data shows.
Nearly 5,900 violent crimes were committed in Utah last year up about 4 percent from the previous year. The states rate of violent crimes per 100,000 people was the sixth-lowest in the country behind Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Virginia and Wyoming. The year before, the state had the third-lowest rate.
Violent crime ticked up statewide in 2012, but Utah still has one of the lowest rates in the country, new FBI data shows.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56907157-78/crime-rate-violent-lake.html.csp
The demographics of states differ considerably and therefore it is somewhat unwise to compare state crime rates and draw conclusions.
kcr
(15,317 posts)And it's true, they often do have red flags. But they don't turn up on those stats you point do, do they? They're still considered law abiding citizens.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Zimmerman has one of those.
spin
(17,493 posts)DragonBorn
(175 posts)That cannot afford to move, and in areas the police don't like responding? They should forego any protection and hope the police arrive in time if something bad ever happens?
kcr
(15,317 posts)But don't discount how much those communities often suffer the worst from how prolific guns have become. Many of those communities wanted to do something about the gun violence but couldn't because laws they enacted were overturned because of the 2nd amendment and special interests outside of their community. Their community is flooded with guns to begin with because of those interests. As I said before, I think it was in another thread. Same guns. Same source. And isn't it funny? The members of those communities aren't spoken to or the ones speaking about gun rights. It's almost always people living and working in much safer communities. But the people in those safe communities want the guns for "self protection"
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)carrying a gun, accumulating so-called assault weapons, etc., in the 98% of areas that aren't that bad.
DragonBorn
(175 posts)I used to live in a really bad area where the cops did not like responding. My dad bought a rifle to make sure our family was protected but I'm sure you'd rather us be defenseless.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The Republicans are desperate.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)they're so sure Obama wants to take 'em away they cannot sleep
GP6971
(31,165 posts)I'm disappointed. Sarcasm intended
Skittles
(153,169 posts)I detest seeing politicans sucking up to them
GP6971
(31,165 posts)After all, they're politicians. In some ways I say, if we can grab Texas now, it will lead the way to more gun control advocates in the future. Pipe dream?????? Probably, but I hope
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)I understand why she does what she does but I can still find it sickening
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)Well ... she doesn't have to, but I think she really wants to win.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I'm all for it. I don't think she has a chance but I'm glad to see she supports gun rights. Some of us here who hold similar views are called child-killers. I was curious to see what this news would bring. My guess is there won't be a peep from that name-calling crowd in this thread.
1000words
(7,051 posts)Who will be the first to call her a "gun nut?"
(Btw, I can't stop watching your cat gif!)
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Won't happen.
They're scared and confused. Like the computers Captain Kirk used to implode with simple logic. They don't know what to do. "Error...Error..."
I crack me up. Sorry.
That cat, yeah, gotta name that guy. He is extremely active.
kcr
(15,317 posts)But if she came into my state no way I'd support her unless she changed her stance on guns. But she's an improvement for Texas for sure.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)It helps to not be extreme.
kcr
(15,317 posts)So there's no need for me to support one who is.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)You've got a problem, then- Davis is probably going to be the Dem candidate for governor.
She's running against a Republican who feels the same about guns.
So if and when Wendy Davis gets the nod, you'll have to decide whether you're
really a single-issue voter or not...
kcr
(15,317 posts)If I did, I'd vote for her. No question. But I don't. I hope Texans do because I do think the net benefits are worth it. Anyone who lives in Texas, or a red state, is likely not surprised by this and understands this. I lived in one, not Texas, but one very similar, for 15 years. I got the hell out and way far away though, for this reason.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I imagine many less-than-literate individuals expect others to support a candidate's platform 100% or become 'scared and confused', and project their own predilection for linear dogma onto those who may disagree.
Errors, indeed.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)What is she compensating for? After all, only someone who's lacking in some way would want to carry a gun around. What's the equivalent of a small penis for a woman? A giant vagina?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Hmm, sometimes you could be right.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)GC&RKBA- 4
GCRA- 0
GD- 6
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)gun rights fundamentalists. You know, the type who claim they need their guns to stop Obama from placing them in a FEMA camp.
kcr
(15,317 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Thanks for the pic of Ann. I met her a couple of times and she was down to heart, honest, tough, full of light and spirit. It shone from her eyes, you could feel it in her handshake.
Made Texas a good place to live for progressives. So different since Shrub and his gang took over. Sad state of affairs that I know Wendy can remedy.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)gun-humpers, RW Trolls, NRA loving Repubs, gun nuts, penis enhancers, paranoid, racist, soaked in the urine of Wayne LaPierre, have blood on their hands, cowards, and a hundred other expressions legitimized in GD?
Surely someone will step forward and "say it ain't so."
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)future murderers they must be. Its for the children.
Quit using those RW NRA talking points
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/gabby-giffords-gun-control-pac-100778.html#ixzz2riJgFpDK
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/gabby-giffords-gun-control-pac-100778.html
hack89
(39,171 posts)There is a middle ground you know.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)But I guess Texas must be very, extremely dangerous. I mean jeez, I have walked around South Central, East LA, NYC, the Bronx and any number of vewy scary places in the US and abroad without a gun and I'm still alive! But damn, I better make sure not to go to Texas. It's fucking chock full of baddies just waiting to jump you!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Can't go to the mall or movies without a gun.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)at all times.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not that it will help much, since Texas is so crazy right wing that the Republican nomination contest determines the eventual winner. Rick Perry and Ted Cruz are demigods down there.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)will have a weapon on her at all times?
You must have some link to her, Vulcan mind meld?
MagickMuffin
(15,943 posts)But hey don't let me stop you, keep on painting!
JI7
(89,252 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)When my right not to get shot is going to trump the rights of second amendment extremists. My brother and my brother-in-law are capable of owning rifles for hunting without being stupid about it; too many others are not.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)When I can log onto DU without seeing headlines about yet another episode of gun violence or some unbelievably stupid move involving a gun like leaving it where a kid can get hold of it.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)a pistol. Very timid state.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)to some. Seems to happen a lot when they get called on it.
cinnabonbon
(860 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Pre-edit version:
a pistol. Very timid state.
cinnabonbon
(860 posts)I didn't even see the little red edit part in their comment. Time for more coffee.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Lived here my whole life, don't own a gun and never shot one either. In fact the majority of my friends don't own guns either.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)feels that they need to take a gun with them the grocery store. Just know they congregate in deep red states you couldn't pay me to live in. And vote in droves for people like Rick Perry and Ted Cruz.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Isn't that in the Texas Constitution?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)She was pretty much always armed with a purse piece, and always had her can of mace ready to fire when walking to the car.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Better than the alternative obviously, but Texas won't ever elect a liberal statewide. Bush/Perry/Cruz territory.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)have worked but Governor Perry forced a special session to get the bill approved. Don't come on here and lie about candidates histories. She doesn't support an income tax to pay for it, but has promised to pay for it with other money. Hopefully a much needed revision to property tax calculations and exemptions.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that candidates give when they're not serious.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)which puts yet another target on her back. Do you have anything other than lies to support your ridiculous statement?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Didn't work for the previous, what, six lawsuits? Tweaking property tax formulae ain't gonna cut it.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)loopholes. But you clearly don't know anything about the subject and your comments are ignorant and uninformed. It doesn't matter what happened in the past. What matters is what she plans to do. It's clear you don't support the Democratic candidate, so there's no point in our continuing this debate.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Expansion to what? Open carry nukes?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Maybe they'll expand that to daylight.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)not covered, same with bombs, grenades, mortar shells.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)Have you looked at the top of the page lately??? Just suggesting.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)I got it now....
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)It was formerly in GC/RKBA only (when gun topics were verboten in GD), then the prohibitionists petitioned for a safe house and got Bansalot, then were allowed to post Anything in any language in GD for a year. Then were restricted after numerous complaints, then got the green light again. The tone has returned largely to the smear, denigration, and sigmatization strategy used before, all virtually and publicly "alert proof." During all this, the pro-2A side for the most part continued OPs in the appropriate groups.
That may change, now.
kcr
(15,317 posts)And some people get hopping mad at that, oh boy.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)it's not easy to conceal
spin
(17,493 posts)for self defense?
Even a nuclear hand grenade would be worthless in a close encounter with an attacker. (Assuming such a weapon has ever be made which is doubtful.)
The object of a personal protection weapon is to enable you to survive by stopping an attack by someone who intends to seriously injure or kill you and has the ability or the weapon to do so. Survive is the key word.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Can you afford Wendy Davis that same consideration?
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Lots of Texans have probably threatened her.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)Just like you wouldn't run in support of easing gun control in NYC. It's all about what will sell locally.
CANDO
(2,068 posts)That'll go over like a fart in church.
blogslut
(38,002 posts)Are you trying to make some sort of point?
In an article that mostly centers on Ms. Davis' stance against establishing a state income tax to fund education because there are plenty of other avenues, your takeaway is the gun thing?
Curious.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)if you'd like to post a thread focusing on another part of the article, nobody's stopping ya...
blogslut
(38,002 posts)Nobody's forcing you to answer.
Incidentally, I don't like guns and have/will never own one. Just the same, I don't see Ms. Davis' support of allowing workers to have guns in glove compartments to be that awful. It's not something I would do but having been a single woman who's had to walk in many a dark parking lot after her shift, I understand how some would feel the need for a blammo stick. It's a hell of a lot better than wanting people to have them in bars and schools - which are ridiculously bad ideas.
So, have fun with your OP.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)She's voted in favor of legislation that would help the frackers with their water problems.
What's amazing is that all this is not good enough for Texas Republicans. They're still going to call her AB, golddigger, liar. They're still going to go full tilt with the slut-shaming.
Yes, Texas is fucked up. I've lived here all my life and this is what we have now. The choice is Davis or Rick Perry on wheels. (Yes, there will be a Green and a Libertarian on the November ballot that will get about 1% and 3%, historically speaking.)
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I don't have a problem with it. Now if she started hanging out with gun nut groups and toting a rifle aka Sarah Palin, that would be different.
MO_Moderate
(377 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Bucky
(54,022 posts)If you live in Texas and ain't packing a piece, it's cause you don't want to pack a piece. It's like getting up set at a Maine politician for wanting to eat more clam chowder. Once an issue reaches a saturation point, you have to just shrug and move on to more strategically useful territory.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)I actually like her more for this, from a purely constitutional viewpoint I am concerned that infringement of one amendment leads to infringement of all amendments. Precedent for legislative restrictions on amendments begins with well-intentioned laws that result in unintended consequences.
Restrictions on the 2nd lead to more restrictions on the 1st and 4th which are already under serious pressure.
I don't trust the government to honor any any of the Bill of Rights amendments or the protections offered under those amendments. Defense of the 2nd amendment is not necessarily a defense of senseless violence. In my view it's a sensible defense for the long game with respect to keeping all of our amendments unfettered and unrestricted as much as is possible in this day and age.