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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:34 PM Jan 2014

Oh boy! I just called the cops on my neighbors.

I was watching a basketball game, and I thought I was hearing something else. I cut the volume down and then I knew I was hearing something that didn't sound good.

I wasn't sure so I went to the laundry room which has a wall adjoining their apartment. I could hear yelling, screaming and thuds. It didn't sound like somebody was playing. I went out to their front door and I could really hear whatever was happening.

I dialed 911 and told them what I knew. There is a 5th grader and an 8th grader who live there with their parents. I believe there is an older sister too. I told 911 that the scream sounded like a young person but that I didn't know who was actually in there. I hadn't heard a gun but I can't hear a knife.

The cops showed up after it seemed to have calmed down. They didn't open the door until the cop knocked three times. The man who they talked to said he just got there which is a lie because I was looking through my peephole. He might have come from behind the apartments though.

The man and a woman assured they had everything under control. It was some kind of problem with one of the kids. I don't know if the cop asked to see the kids, but gawd I hope he did.

When the cop was talking to them, he said that several neighbors called so I don't think it will come back on me. If it does, I'll handle it. I don't play when it comes to kids. At least they know people will call the cops.

I need a drink. This shite upsets me.

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Oh boy! I just called the cops on my neighbors. (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 OP
Good on you for calling. MineralMan Jan 2014 #1
I've done it before and Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #4
Yes, and this is also a message to the kids... CoffeeCat Jan 2014 #76
always call Skittles Jan 2014 #2
Thanks. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #7
I've done it too Skittles Jan 2014 #15
Thanks, grits, elleng Jan 2014 #3
ya did good dembotoz Jan 2014 #5
You're lucky they didn't shoot a dog ... or worse. 1000words Jan 2014 #6
So you don't think she should have called the cops XemaSab Jan 2014 #9
I wasn't there 1000words Jan 2014 #14
Okay Mr.I Wasn't There, Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #20
There is no point in addressing hypotheticals. 1000words Jan 2014 #27
Like shooting dogs... or worse? LanternWaste Jan 2014 #107
You did right. The other poster has probably never been in the situation you Squinch Jan 2014 #58
These people thought it was none of their business too XemaSab Jan 2014 #21
Why not? Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #28
I'm taking your side here! XemaSab Jan 2014 #29
I know. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #30
. XemaSab Jan 2014 #31
That case is seared into my brain - I lived nearby at the time. IrishAyes Jan 2014 #45
If someone tries to move you under threat... it's on. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #84
Good advice for all; thanks. IrishAyes Jan 2014 #87
Statistical probability eludes you.,, Lost_Count Jan 2014 #11
And you think I should do what? Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #12
Ignore that…you did the right thing. dorkzilla Jan 2014 #32
Don't worry about it... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #35
+1 nt narnian60 Jan 2014 #43
I'm glad you called Lifelong Protester Jan 2014 #8
Good job!!! Thank you for doing that. bravenak Jan 2014 #10
I'm glad you did, but Oscarmonster13 Jan 2014 #13
JFC! Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #16
What the hells the problem around here? AAO Jan 2014 #51
I'm sorry hun Oscarmonster13 Jan 2014 #71
Thank you for calling abelenkpe Jan 2014 #17
If you didn't call and something awful happened Yo_Mama Jan 2014 #18
You totally did the right thing XemaSab Jan 2014 #19
Jeez! Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #23
It is upsetting. murielm99 Jan 2014 #22
I will. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #25
Make it a double, and good for you. MADem Jan 2014 #24
At least you have people who call! murielm99 Jan 2014 #33
The neighborhood was great--except for this asshole. MADem Jan 2014 #42
I know that violence shouldn't be condoned except in self defense. olegramps Jan 2014 #44
Sometimes, people who are raised with violence will only modify their conduct in response to it. MADem Jan 2014 #49
Sounds like my kind of priest. IrishAyes Jan 2014 #50
Several years ago, the son of a roommate of mine had a avebury Jan 2014 #26
Right there with you. madamesilverspurs Jan 2014 #34
... Mira Jan 2014 #36
Bless your heart, Are_grits_groceries MissDeeds Jan 2014 #37
When a neighbor called on Friday morning about that Maryland "exorcism" case LiberalEsto Jan 2014 #38
Good for you. I've had to do it in the past. Cleita Jan 2014 #39
Dunno where you are dixiegrrrrl Jan 2014 #40
Good idea. Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #41
You are a hero to me. Raine1967 Jan 2014 #46
Thank you for making the call. You did the right thing. SunSeeker Jan 2014 #47
I always call. Glad you did! riqster Jan 2014 #48
Well done. k&r n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #52
You did the right thing, grits! I would make the same call 10 times out of 10. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #53
"Some people just live to stir shit." AAO Jan 2014 #54
I've done the same thing. It's very upsetting. last1standing Jan 2014 #55
If it's not too evil to inject a bit of levity here, IrishAyes Jan 2014 #56
Funny how cat cries and small children and baby cries can sometimes sound Cleita Jan 2014 #59
Well, I didn't even have a child at the time, or it might've been my word against the neighbor's. IrishAyes Jan 2014 #69
Better safe mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #57
I have a neighbor who gives me a big hug Curmudgeoness Jan 2014 #60
Bravo! n/t Greybnk48 Jan 2014 #61
My husband and teenage son had a shouting match in the back yard many years ago.. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #62
You did good. There are times... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #63
You did the right thing. and if you have to call again, they're on file now. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #64
Real geniuses those folks. Lucky they didn't get you killed. stevenleser Jan 2014 #89
the dispatcher was an incompetent idiot who should have been reported. YOU should go check niyad Jan 2014 #96
that was over 20 years ago BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #99
I did read that. but does not change the fact that that person was an incompetent fool. niyad Jan 2014 #100
oh, on that, i agree. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #102
Think how you'd feel if you had NOT called, and something did happen. flvegan Jan 2014 #65
As a victim of long term child abuse, Phlem Jan 2014 #66
child abuse LordshipLadyship Jan 2014 #85
Same here, although pipi_k Jan 2014 #94
I am so very sorry for what you endured, and so very sorry nobody ever intervened or helped. niyad Jan 2014 #98
Thank for the link LordshipLadyship Phlem Jan 2014 #104
me too. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #93
I'm so sorry for you. Phlem Jan 2014 #105
you have my sympathies too. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #111
That is just horrible. Phlem Jan 2014 #112
ALWAYS call. LWolf Jan 2014 #67
i did that one time many years ago. DesertFlower Jan 2014 #68
From experience... bearssoapbox Jan 2014 #70
Sometimes it needs done. LeftyMom Jan 2014 #72
Many years ago we lived next door to a very troubled family MerryBlooms Jan 2014 #73
I've had to do it. It's a hard call, but it's necessary. PDJane Jan 2014 #74
I'm glad that you called. Beacool Jan 2014 #75
You made the right call. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #77
Good on you! pnwest Jan 2014 #78
You did the RIGHT thing. Kudos to you! nt caledesi Jan 2014 #79
I think you did the right thing, and I thank and applaud you for it. FrodosPet Jan 2014 #80
Well done Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #81
Rec of support. nt Union Scribe Jan 2014 #82
If they make you uncomforatable, go with your gut. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #83
The only thing required for the bad to win... Mother Of Four Jan 2014 #86
Sounds like... nikto Jan 2014 #88
Not all Neandertals are Republicans RVN VET Jan 2014 #90
Oops, I really mean't... nikto Jan 2014 #113
Calling the cops Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2014 #91
thank you so much for calling. many people would not get involved. niyad Jan 2014 #92
I wish someone had called heaven05 Jan 2014 #95
I hope you enjoyed your VERY well deserved drink secondwind Jan 2014 #97
You did good. 840high Jan 2014 #101
You did the right thing. MicaelS Jan 2014 #103
I'm grateful & highly respect Your decision to call! You have the Kids' backs!! hue Jan 2014 #106
Try not to let it upset you too much, because you don't know what was going on kcr Jan 2014 #108
years ago when visiting a friend, i heard horrible noises coming from an apartment noiretextatique Jan 2014 #109
Kudos to you for doing the right thing! n/t markpkessinger Jan 2014 #110

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
1. Good on you for calling.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jan 2014

People need to do that, but are often afraid to. The cops showing up often tones things down a few notches.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
76. Yes, and this is also a message to the kids...
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 01:36 AM
Jan 2014

…that if someone is hurting them--hitting or emotionally abusing them--that this is illegal and should not be happening.

Too many abused kids are told that the abuse is their fault. They are powerless and often bullied into believing that they are the problem.

When the cops are called, it clearly sends a message that--NO, it is the fault of the parent who is abusing.

The abuser can lie all they want. If it took three knocks for him to finally answer the door, he was probably intimidating the kids into shutting up. Abusers can play those games, but in the end--the child gets the message that this should not be happening to them.

Just that little glimmer in a child's mind could be what saves them from feeling like the worthless piece of shit that abusers want their victims to feel.

And don't ever doubt your intuition when it comes to these things. I came from an abusive household that was a house of horrors. There were NO signs. My abuser was very careful--such a fine upstanding citizen. So, if you SEE and HEAR signs--that's a clear indication that something is terribly wrong.

You're a hero, really. Too many people do nothing. Thank you for doing what you did.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
7. Thanks.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jan 2014

I do. I've seen kids at school who I reported too.
As I said, I don't play if kids are involved. In fact, I don't ever play if I hear that kind of noise.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
15. I've done it too
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jan 2014

years ago I was sleeping in my apartment in the afternoon (I'm a night worker) and I heard screams. I went a couple of doors down - the door was open and in the bedroom in the back I could see a woman sitting in a chair holding a baby.........I couldn't see anyone else.......I said, "Are you OK?" and she simply said, "Would you call the police?". There was someone back there with her; I guess it was a domestic dispute. I called 911 and the cops were there for some time. She never said anything to me about it; I think she was embarrassed. I don't care - if I think someone needs help I am calling, even if it is over and over and over. Like I said, at least a record of disputes at that residence is created. And that is one reason I will never call cops PIGS - they're the ones showing up to deal with that stuff and they never know what they are getting into.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
9. So you don't think she should have called the cops
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jan 2014

even though there was a high likelihood of a child being beaten?

What, pray tell, do you think the OP should have done? Tried to handle it herself?

There's no way THAT could have ended badly.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
14. I wasn't there
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:45 PM
Jan 2014

It's none of my business. Just reminding folks that calling the police is a mixed bag ...

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
27. There is no point in addressing hypotheticals.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sun Jan 26, 2014, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

What's done is done, and as far as I can tell, everyone is safe. More and more, that is not the case when police are involved.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
107. Like shooting dogs... or worse?
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jan 2014

"There is no point in addressing hypotheticals."


Like shooting dogs... or worse?

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
58. You did right. The other poster has probably never been in the situation you
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jan 2014

found yourself forced into. You did the right thing.

It IS so upsetting. Now be good to yourself. But keep an ear open because you now matter a lot in those kids' lives. They may never know you do, but you do.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
30. I know.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jan 2014

I just edited it to add the number of the post I was responding to.

Sorry!
I really appreciate your help.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
45. That case is seared into my brain - I lived nearby at the time.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jan 2014

Also the case of Richard Speck killing 8 nursing students by removing them from a room one by one. Back then girls were raised to be submissive - look what it got them. I vowed if I ever had a daughter, I'd teach her to KICK ass worse than anybody alive.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
84. If someone tries to move you under threat... it's on.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 03:23 AM
Jan 2014

Kick, bite, scream, it's survival time. Give 'em what millions of years of evolution equipped you with, every inch of it.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
87. Good advice for all; thanks.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 08:40 AM
Jan 2014

I feel that if my life's at risk - as it always is with the unwanted moving you mention - we'd might as well duke it out where I at least have a chance, however slim. My dogs sleep in the same room with me, too, so if any dangerous person has made overtures to them during the day when they're outside and I might not see, I'll absolutely know if anyone breaks in. Some people call that 'living in fear' but I simply prepare for the worst and then go about my merry way.

Of course it was simpler when I could have chows; but my last 2 little bears are buried 7 feet under in the back yard now. Their last few years were almost overwhelming for me - I had to do a lot of lifting to care for them - and I'm no spring chicken myself. So I figured it was time to switch to smaller dogs. If anybody had ever bred mini-chows, I would've walked over hot coals for them. At least my smooth-coat JRT is fearless and protective as she can be. I call her my little terrierist.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
12. And you think I should do what?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:44 PM
Jan 2014

Listen to it and wring my hands or go to their door and try to mediate some domestic dispute?

I thought about the possibility of a bad response AFTER I called. I'll call again too.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
32. Ignore that…you did the right thing.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:58 PM
Jan 2014

How would you have felt if you didn't call and something horrible happened.

You did a good thing. At the very least, it made whoever was doing the beating KNOW that he could be heard and would be stopped. Perhaps it will give them pause the next time.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
35. Don't worry about it...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jan 2014

There are some here who think every cop is corrupt and bloodthirsty. The fact remains that there are hundreds of thousands of people in America calling the police daily who don't run into any major problem - they're not shot or dragged out of their house or have an animal killed. We just don't ever hear about those people because it's not as sordid as the news about cops being killers.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
8. I'm glad you called
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jan 2014

too many won't, especially if they live in an apartment and are worried about seeing their neighbor in the hall.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
10. Good job!!! Thank you for doing that.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jan 2014

A neighbor once saved me from getting beat up way worse than I already had by my ex boyfriend. He trapped me in the bathroom and threw me in the tub and just started wailing on me because he thought I was too friendly to a customer at work. I couldn't get up and just started screaming help. The red head lady upstairs saved me by calling the cops. They didn't arrest him, just made him take a walk and took me to the hospital. It's alaska, that's how things go.

Oscarmonster13

(209 posts)
13. I'm glad you did, but
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:44 PM
Jan 2014

that can rebound on the victims too...

"see, YOU made too much noise..." "Next time we'll tell the cops it was YOUR fault"

Next time they may be quieter when they beat someone. Next time they may gag them before abusing them...

I had an abusive ex, and the cops and neighbors never helped...it just made things worse when they were gone.

but thanks for being a concerned person, it's hard when you think nobody cares what happens to you. Sometimes knowing that someone hears or cares enough to call can be the push to get help or talk to someone...

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
16. JFC!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jan 2014

I know that can happen. I can't just let it go.
Now I am really upset and need 2 drinks. I did the best I could.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
51. What the hells the problem around here?
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jan 2014

You did exactly what you should have done. You did the right thing. End of discussion.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
17. Thank you for calling
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

That would be very upsetting!

Once overheard a kid screaming and crying in what I knew was a closet in the downstairs apartment. (Because their layout is exactly the same as ours.) My hubby called the cops. They moved out a couple months later. I think about that little girl often.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
18. If you didn't call and something awful happened
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jan 2014

you'd always feel some guilt.

Now just put it out of your mind. Stuff happens.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. Make it a double, and good for you.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jan 2014

I can understand what you're feeling. I lived across the street for awhile from an asshole who would routinely get drunk at the weekend and beat the shit out of his wife. It got to the point where I'd call 911 and say "They're at it again" and hold up the phone so the dispatcher could hear the shrieks, screams and yelling.

The guy would always duck out the back and go into the woods when the cops arrived, and stay away until they left. This went on forever, until I told them they needed to stop coming to the street with the frigging blue lights rotating because it gave him time to get away.

He was an obnoxious asshole, that neighbor. I too was not the only one who would call on him--glad I'm outta there!

Again, pat yourself on the back--good on you. You did the right thing.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
33. At least you have people who call!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:00 PM
Jan 2014

Attitudes have changed, thank God.

When I was in my twenties, in the 1970's, I lived in an apartment with thin walls. We, too, had a guy who beat his wife. I was the only one who ever called, and I think the guy knew it was me.

One night, I came home to an ambulance and several cop cars. The neighbors were all standing around outside. There were remarks like, "Well, did he finally kill her?" and "I wonder if she will live through this beating?"

When I asked the neighbors, especially some of the larger, younger men, why none of them had ever intervened, they said it was none of their business if a guy hit his wife. She probably had it coming.

That time, it was him, not her. He slipped and hit the back of his head, knocking himself out and ending up with a concussion.

I heard that she ran away while he was in the hospital. I hope she never came back. I don't know, though. We bought a house and moved away.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. The neighborhood was great--except for this asshole.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jan 2014

He bought the home of an elderly couple and modified it to run his business outta the home. He had undocumented workers sleeping in his basement and garage, he had an attack dog in the back, there were trucks coming and going at all hours (heavy equipment, on a quiet cul-de-sac) and he was a total shit. No one on the street liked him, he destroyed the bucolic character of the neighborhood. I think many people called just to stick it to the guy, because he was such a jerk in his daily life. I'd be sitting in my 2nd floor office with a view of the road, and because this jerk didn't close the curtains, I had a bird's eye view of the turd beating on that woman. There was a language issue, so I would warn the police to bring a translator or have one available by telephone. It took probably three or four visits before the guy was hauled off to the pokey; even then I think he got away with a diversion program. I think he dumped the wife/girlfriend off at one of his other properties--he had quite a few of these worker hellholes around the area, so I was given to understand.

Eh, ya do what ya can.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
44. I know that violence shouldn't be condoned except in self defense.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:30 PM
Jan 2014

My Grandmother was from Ireland and she told me about an incident that happen in her parish. The same old story, but this guy would get drunk and beat up his wife. This happened several times and the parish priest warn him to stop. He got drunk again as usual and beat her up. The parish priest was notified and I suppose he had had enough. According to granny he was big bruiser of a man and had won several boxing matches before entering the seminary. He paid the guy and visit and beat the double hell out of him. He told him that if he ever laid another hand on his wife this would be a love tap in comparison to what he could expect the next time. He gave up drinking and started attending church on a regular basis. I guess it could be considered a forced conversion of sorts, but none the less he saw the light. I wanted to add that he also beat the children In his drunken rages.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Sometimes, people who are raised with violence will only modify their conduct in response to it.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jan 2014

The priest of your grandmama's acquaintance may well have been raised in similar fashion, so he was coming at the guy based on experience....and he had the fists of the boxer as well as the Hammer of Religion to beat that guy into shape.

I suppose Freud or one of those shrinks would say that there was transference in that the priest became the "father figure" to the bullying beater and the walloping he got solidified the relationship...!


I'm with you, I don't condone violence as a rule, but as a last resort, whatever it takes to get a bully to stop beating on innocents will usually work for me. I also don't spend too much time crying when a beater gets comeuppance. As ya sow, so shall ya reap, and all that. That guy learned the "Don't be a meanie and no one will want to kick the crap out of ya!" lesson, and good that he did.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
50. Sounds like my kind of priest.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jan 2014

My dad not only believed in protecting the weak and innocent, he also told the boys that if he ever heard of them NOT being proactive enough when they should, then he'd beat the crap out of them. Either that or he would've made them wish they were dead, because he didn't mess around and people knew it.

Ah, the Irish... gotta love 'em, don'tcha?

avebury

(10,952 posts)
26. Several years ago, the son of a roommate of mine had a
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:53 PM
Jan 2014

girl who practically moved into our house. She was around just about 24 hours a day. I went out of town for a few days and it was not until one of the neighbors saw me outside that I found out the girl actually had a young child (under the age of 2). My roommate worked out of state and I was the one who kept an eye on what was going on. Apparently, when I left town, the girl brought the child over to the house. My reaction? Who the heck has been taking care of this child all the days her mom was at my house? I also found out that the Mom had a pending legal case relating to drugs. I called DHS and gave them the information and asked them to check on the welfare of the child to make sure that there was someone taking proper care of her. I later heard that DHS took the child away from the mother. I didn't know who was taking care of the child but it was most certainly not her mother.

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
34. Right there with you.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jan 2014

When it comes to kids, there's no hesitation. Been there, done that, have yet to regret it.

There is no excuse for pounding on a child. None.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
37. Bless your heart, Are_grits_groceries
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

You took a stand and did the right thing. You may have saved someone from serious pain or injury. I wish more people would be as courageous as you. You are a hero.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
38. When a neighbor called on Friday morning about that Maryland "exorcism" case
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

it's possible that two of the four children survived because of that call, according to the Washington Post.

The neighbor reported seeing a knife, blood and an open car door.

The previous night, the police were called by another neighbor who saw an unattended child in a car, but by the time police got there, the child was back in the house, and the residents would not respond to the police knocking. Police had no probably cause to enter at that time.

You never know what might happen if you call, but it's possible that you could be saving a life.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
39. Good for you. I've had to do it in the past.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jan 2014

Once, I called 911 for what I thought was a domestic disturbance, same thing, screaming and thumping noises going on. It was during the day and I had taken a sick day from work, so I wasn't supposed to be home. It turns out it was a home invasion. My neighbor, a woman, had come home early from work and interrupted a burglary. What I heard was the perps beating her up. The cops came quickly and was able to arrest them and rescue her before they beat her to a pulp. So you never know.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
40. Dunno where you are
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jan 2014

but in this day and age,cops are supposed to respond to demestic violence by separating the couple, at a minimum.

then again, the way police have regressed these days...

Keep calling if need be.....and keep track of when you call and how long the cops took to show up and what they did.
a journal.( get badge numbers and names if you can)
because one of these days if the inevitable happens, and the ass covering starts, you will have something to share with the victim's family, and their lawyer.

the one salient fact I have learned from years and years of Mental Health work...document document document.
Who, what, where, when and how often. times and dates.

remember, if there is domestic violence, even if the kids are not physically attacked, they have a strong chance of growing up to be abusers or victims of abuse.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
41. Good idea.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jan 2014

I know I won't remember all the details that ill help if they are needed.
Gawd I hope they aren't needed.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
46. You are a hero to me.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jan 2014

I don;t want to go into details, but when I was 17 and lived in rural upstate NY, a neighbor called the police because something 'wasn't right' when I answered the phone (she had, by strange chance, called) in my house. Our phone had been turned off for making outgoing calls, I learned this as before she called, I tried to call 911.

It turns out that neighbor calling the police probably saved my life as well as my mothers.

Thank you for doing what you did.

and

riqster

(13,986 posts)
48. I always call. Glad you did!
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jan 2014

The worst-case scenario is, some of the kids got a little crazy playing, and their parent say "see? I told you to keep it down!"

Best-case scenario is, you saved a life.

Good on you!

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
53. You did the right thing, grits! I would make the same call 10 times out of 10.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jan 2014

Ignore the naysayers on this thread. Some people just live to stir shit.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
56. If it's not too evil to inject a bit of levity here,
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jan 2014

I had a strange case on a military base where the next-door neighbor lady mistook my Persian cat's wails for a baby's crying. I was doing some decorating that the cat interfered with, so I shut her up in another room and she editorialized at the top of her lungs.

When the MPs arrived, luckily they thought it was funny as hell when I led them to the cause of the disturbance. The neighbor lady never stopped apologizing, but I kept telling her she did the right thing because it could've been a person in trouble - even me!

Luckily she never heard our 1/4 bobcat screaming at the top of his lungs when we lived out in the boonies. That would send a chill up anyone's back, although I don't think he could be mistaken for a human. It was a wild shriek that no domestic cat I know of makes.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
59. Funny how cat cries and small children and baby cries can sometimes sound
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:10 PM
Jan 2014

similar. Often I go running to the door when my cat is outside and it turns out it's the neighbor's toddler having some gleefully yelling time.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
60. I have a neighbor who gives me a big hug
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jan 2014

every time she sees me because she is so grateful that I called the cops one night when her boyfriend broke her door down and was beating the shit out of her.

Even if you never know what was happening, or your neighbor never knows who called, it was the right thing to do. And they appreciate it that someone cared.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
62. My husband and teenage son had a shouting match in the back yard many years ago..
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:42 PM
Jan 2014

Lasted less than 5 minutes.. Everyone calmed down, we solved the issue and the cops showed up. They did ask to see our son and he came out nonchalantly and said "what's up?" All was well. Don't know who called, but I didn't have a problem with it.

But far too often, a call to the police brings more trouble, even death and destruction. I honestly would hesitate to call the police unless I felt I had no other option, but wouldn't second guess anyone who did.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
63. You did good. There are times...
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jan 2014

when you just have to do the right thing, and you did.

Have the drink, relax, and know if it happens again you'll do the right thing again and it will work out OK.


BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
64. You did the right thing. and if you have to call again, they're on file now.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:55 PM
Jan 2014

I made a similar call 20+ years ago. I heard noises in the next door apartment.

I called 911 I think…or maybe the police department, don't remember now. The woman I talked to told me to go knock on the door and ask if everything was alright.

??????

I begged her to send a cop car but she wouldn't. So…that was that. I didn't know what to do. I didn't hear any more bad things after that, and they moved away not long after.


about 15+ years ago, I called the cops to come because there was some very strange stuff happening in front of the townhouse across the way. They asked my address and name; I didn't want to tell them because I didn't want them coming to the door and making it obvious who called the cops. We went back and forth a bit, they promised not to come to the door but they wouldn't send anyone if I didn't give them my name and address.

So I did. Sure enough, the first thing they did was come to my door.

Turns out the house had been turned into a crack house. Cops came by to all the doors next day, telling us to call immediately if we saw any activity again.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
89. Real geniuses those folks. Lucky they didn't get you killed.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 08:51 AM
Jan 2014

Glad you are safe, but pointing you out obviously as the people who called the cops on drug activity is mind-numbingly stupid.

niyad

(113,363 posts)
96. the dispatcher was an incompetent idiot who should have been reported. YOU should go check
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jan 2014

and see if everything was okay?

niyad

(113,363 posts)
100. I did read that. but does not change the fact that that person was an incompetent fool.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jan 2014

I wonder how many others callers in other situations got blown off like that.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
102. oh, on that, i agree.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:20 PM
Jan 2014

I was stunned….only 21 years old, away from home (and crazy abuse, overprotection, etc. etc.---well, it all continued but…anyway, back to the point) for the first time, in grad school, had just had my second massive surgery that summer….I was a helpless quivering mass myself…… I was a wreck.

I was just stunned----argued and pleaded….it ws insane. I guess at that time, there was no protocol for dealing with domestic violence.

flvegan

(64,409 posts)
65. Think how you'd feel if you had NOT called, and something did happen.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 06:57 PM
Jan 2014

You did the right thing, all things considered.

Though...I did read here on DU that all cops suck and can't be trusted.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
66. As a victim of long term child abuse,
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jan 2014

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for making that call. Children have no recourse and sometimes a call can mean life or death. I know some people can't comprehend but when your being batted around like a ball in a pinball machine, staying alive is the only thing on your mind.

Thank You

-p

PS.. I'm treating my PTSD with meds and a regular doctor visits, but it will be forever with me. I don't wish it on anyone and I absolutely have no tolerance for child abuse. I would have probably knocked on the door in my own foolishness so I'm glad cooler heads prevailed.



LordshipLadyship

(405 posts)
85. child abuse
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 04:49 AM
Jan 2014

I have an alphabet soup of diagnoses due to child abuse. From around age 9 all the way up to my forties. A doctor told my hubby I matured intellectually but not emotionally. Emotionally and psychologically I stayed about 9 years old. People think abuse is only physical it isn't. When I see people yell at children I start to abreact and my husband (the Lordship in my name) stops it and brings me back to present day. People also think ptss only happens in war. No. When any awful situation happens to people of any age, their brain changes. It physically changes. Its unfortunate it carries a stigma when mental illness in some cases saves us from truly going insane.

You and anyone else calling when people need help is admirable. If someone had called for police when I'd needed it, I might have not been mentally ill, but perhaps I wouldn't have the empathy and understanding I do for others.

I'm against all forms of abuse, but when my husband tries to do something when he feels the most ill, (we both have fibromyalgia and arthritis) I do consider the frying pan as a cure

Listen to Patrick Stewart :

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
94. Same here, although
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jan 2014

except most of the trauma occurred as a result of seeing my parents go at each other.

Food would fly around the kitchen. Dishes. Yelling. Name calling. Accusations.

Seeing my parents battle each other physically...seeing the finger marks on my mom's neck where my father had tried to choke her.

Seeing my mom's face swollen on one side from a broken jaw after he hit her with a beer bottle.


As a child, I was powerless to stop it, and I was left with a terrible dilemma each day

I went to school so I wouldn't have to listen to/see that going on (even though I was tired from not being able to sleep the night before during one of their fights), but always wondered if I would go home to find two dead bodies.

I guess in some ways it was like living in a war zone. Or so I've been told.

Children always suffer the worst

I wish someone had called the cops then




PS...this song always makes me cry...





niyad

(113,363 posts)
98. I am so very sorry for what you endured, and so very sorry nobody ever intervened or helped.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jan 2014

thank you for sharing that from sir patrick--a truly wonderful human being.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
104. Thank for the link LordshipLadyship
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jan 2014

He's one of my most favorite actors because of his real personality.

At 16 my stepfather grabbed me by the throat and that was that. I blacked out only for a moment and awoke on top of him ready to beat the life out of him but I stopped and walked away. The physical abuse stopped but the mouth went into overtime. Thank you Military for turning a dumb fucking monkey into a violent dumb fucking ape.

I have a host of issues too but at 13 I was circling the drain bad. I would abuse myself (like oh...trying to break the headboard of my bed with my head as one example) and I was dizzy all the time especially when my parents would talk. Reality was absent in our household.

Fortunately my next door neighbor happened upon some home grown and it was the first time I found clarity and a coping mechanism. I got much better after I moved out of the house. Mostly I deal with my hyper vigilance now, a gift is what my therapist called it, HA!

I'm glad you survived it, some kids don't get that lucky.

Take care my friend and I hope to see more of you around here.



-p

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
111. you have my sympathies too.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jan 2014

oh, in a nutshell... only child of a mother who was a textbook Borderline Personality Disorder..the violent, raging for no reason, no boundaries, no privacy, enmeshed, controlling kind. I was mortally terrified of her before I was out of diapers. I've got a partial memory of something.

Dad was in total denial, gone on business, rarely home. Extreme pressure to perform academically. But I have ADD, so that added to the abuse.

Very isolated. Bullying from kindergarten on. Chronic Ulcerative Colitis age 7 -- emergency total collectomy (Ileostomy bag) at age 19--with no warning!! Waking up to that was a hell of a surprise. A lot of horrible medical experiences. Humiliating bowel symptoms, verbal attacks from strangers in public restrooms, too sick to engage in most activities, but never allowed to talk about it........and a lonnnnng history of falling in "love" (desperate emotional dependence and craving for affection) with incredibly damaged people. Full blown psychotic, several severe alcoholics, an actual psychopath, a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, a Borderline Personality Disorder.........

fun times, fun times.

just relentless trauma and no way out, no nurturing, no support anywhere, basically.

Finally I've found a terrific therapist, but I've had a few breakdowns over the years-- precipitated by relationship breakups. I'm single now and working on re-parenting and self-care/self-discipline skills.

There are many helpful books; I've been trying to manage the PTSD for ages, and learn basics that I was never taught (everything was done for me).... the one I'm getting a lot out of right now is called "Growing Up Again". I recommend it.

What about you?

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
112. That is just horrible.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 06:40 PM
Jan 2014

It sounds similar to me except your's started earlier and I didn't have physical ailments on top of that! I can feel it through your writing. My mother was fresh out of the jungle in the Philippines and had no idea of anything and when she married my stepfather all hell broke loose, and yes we do remember back to then, I wish they were good memories, but I guess trauma literally burns it in..

The bullying happened at home 24/7 so when I got to school I was ready and full of anger. I beat up a lot of assholes in my time but was never the less concerned about how far I might go so I would, at times, hold back.

But yea, no nurturing, no affection, always hiding, yadda yadda yadda, you know.

I kind of did self parenting on my own cause I learned early on that no one was going to take care of me except myself. Talked to the man high above every night and sometimes during the day. And just to let you know I'm spiritual, not religious. Still, sometimes some uncanny weird shit happened usually for the better but none the less, I'd still fuck it up somehow.

" I'm single now and working on re-parenting and self-care/self-discipline skills." exactly what I went and still am going through because like you said, some things we were never taught. My therapist was great fortunately, but this "gift" of "hyper vigilance" is a weird one for me to digest.

Sounds like I'm the lucky one in this scenario because I'm still in my first marriage even @ 48. We fight of course but she is dedicated to me and I to her. When we had our little girl my life changed for the better. I could see what I never got when I'm with her. I've made it my point to giver all of me as father, not like waiting on her hand and foot, but guiding her through life and keeping her as happy a little girl as I can. I think, maybe as other parents do, that no matter how much they grow up, they are always your baby.

But it is an example of my therapy because before that, we argued like cats and dogs (she is a first born too) and were on the verge of a divorce. We went to couples counseling and that's when the therapist diagnosed my PTSD.
After much work we're all in a happy place now, knock on wood.

Stick with your therapy please, you too can have a happy ending. I personally know it can happen.

If you ever need to talk, I hang out around these parts daily.

Take care friend and thanks for sharing, I know it can be tough sometimes.



-p

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
67. ALWAYS call.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jan 2014

It can be hard to catch abuse, and it often takes a long time to get hold of enough evidence to do something about it.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
68. i did that one time many years ago.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jan 2014

i used to hear the little girl screaming "no daddy no". i don't know if social services followed up. they moved shortly afterward.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
72. Sometimes it needs done.
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jan 2014

I used to work for a foster care agency. I am forbidden by law to tell you the hair-curling stories I picked up, and you don't want to know them anyhow because they would keep you up at night. People do some harrowing, unbelievable, obscure imported horror film level shit to children.

Just know that a whole lot of kids wait entirely too long in misery because nobody wants to get involved. Decent people step in, and sometimes stepping in saves lives.

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
73. Many years ago we lived next door to a very troubled family
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jan 2014

The wife and kids were being abused by the husband. It was a horrible situation and so heartbreaking. There was one time I heard a body hit a wall above all the screaming, and these weren't apartments. I called the police more than once, but always worried if that call would make it worse.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
74. I've had to do it. It's a hard call, but it's necessary.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jan 2014

I've also called children's aid on a man who lived down the street. He was sexually abusing his daughter, and children's workers were trying to catch him, but he kept moving....just a step ahead of the authorities. That child still gives me nightmares. Maybe a drink would help me, too. Gods..........

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
75. I'm glad that you called.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 01:04 AM
Jan 2014

A few years ago a friend I know in PA heard a fight in the neighboring house. She heard the woman scream, but never called 911 (she was afraid that they would know that she was the one who called). Well, she should have called, the man killed his wife. She's still remorseful that she never made that call.



Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
86. The only thing required for the bad to win...
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 05:22 AM
Jan 2014

is for the good to stand by and do nothing.

You didn't stand by, you acted.

I started typing a little of my own history, and I find I still can't share much of it. Suffice it to say the younger me is saying thank you, and the older me is wanting to hug you until you can't breathe. A thousand times, thank you for picking up that phone.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
91. Calling the cops
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jan 2014

draws a line in the sand IMHO. Something out of the ordinary and potentially dangerous is occurring and should be reported. You definitely did the right thing, Grits! Good for you.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
108. Try not to let it upset you too much, because you don't know what was going on
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jan 2014

Screaming, yelling and thuds can mean a bad thing, but they may not. A 5th grader and an 8th grader fighting can make a hell of a racket.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
109. years ago when visiting a friend, i heard horrible noises coming from an apartment
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jan 2014

a man was yellling and hitting a woman, who was crying. i got the apartment number and called the cops. i wonder what happened to her, because it sounded like he was trying to kill her. awful.

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