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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:13 AM Mar 2012

So the NYT wonders why all these years later, no one has stepped up to fill Gloria Steinhem's shoes

Where is the next Gloria Steinem, and why — decades after the media spotlight first focused on her — has no one emerged to take her place?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/fashion/in-the-womans-movement-who-will-replace-gloria-steinem.html


So the NYT wonders today why all these years later, no one has stepped up to fill Gloria Steinhem's shoes. Dear NTY, perhaps you've noticed what happens to women who dare to speak up for their own rights in this country. Right now the wingnuts are calling Ms. Fluke all kinds of terrible things, are picking on her boyfriend, her boyfriend's parents, and his grandparents. And they do it deliberately to make sure women know that if they open their mouths, they'll pay a huge price.
hat tip: Hecate_Demetersdatter
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2012/03/sunday-bobbleheads_18.html#disqus_thread
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So the NYT wonders why all these years later, no one has stepped up to fill Gloria Steinhem's shoes (Original Post) kpete Mar 2012 OP
Maybe because women aren't second class anymore. dkf Mar 2012 #1
Yet ProSense Mar 2012 #3
Does the phrase "women's rights" only pertain to the ability to prevent/terminate pregnancies? dkf Mar 2012 #6
We've noticed your opposition to women's reproductive rights. kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #15
I have no opposition to it. It's a personal thing. dkf Mar 2012 #16
Why does the government get involved with this at all? Isn't it no one else's business? dkf Mar 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #19
I pay taxes and I'm sick of this argument. It will never be resolved. dkf Mar 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #21
We shouldn't have to pay for wars that aren't properly declared. dkf Mar 2012 #22
But do african americans in 2012 need another Martin Luther King? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #12
Well, yes... ananda Mar 2012 #2
It's like ProSense Mar 2012 #4
Have they questioned who will fill the shoes for Phyllis Schafley? LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #5
I'd stipulate that Gloria Steinem could be viewed as the "tip of the spear" for feminism riderinthestorm Mar 2012 #7
a lot of what you say is true bonnieS Mar 2012 #17
If the reason Gloria Steinem has no successors is that Sandra Fluke was bullied Zalatix Mar 2012 #8
Seems to me MadrasT Mar 2012 #9
why? because there`s tens of millions of gloria steinhems across the country madrchsod Mar 2012 #10
There's a 25-point gender gap in our favor BeyondGeography Mar 2012 #11
The fact that this article got parked in "Fashion and Style" LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #13
There was only one Gloria Steinem Kath1 Mar 2012 #14
i have been thinking about this. what i see, it is not about ALL of women, but individual seabeyond Mar 2012 #23
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
1. Maybe because women aren't second class anymore.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:32 AM
Mar 2012

Look at Angela Merkel or Hillary Clinton. The sky is the limit.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. Yet
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:36 AM
Mar 2012
Maybe because women aren't second class anymore.

Look at Angela Merkel or Hillary Clinton. The sky is the limit.


...women's rights are under attack. That's like claiming that there is no need to address discrimination against minorities because Obama is President.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002432662

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002436891

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
6. Does the phrase "women's rights" only pertain to the ability to prevent/terminate pregnancies?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:56 AM
Mar 2012

In all other aspects I think the simple competence of women is trumping stereotypes.

For abortion, that will always be a moral and personal judgment. If it entails society accepting en mass that abortion is all well and good, I don't think we will ever get there.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
15. We've noticed your opposition to women's reproductive rights.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:36 PM
Mar 2012

Again, and again, and again.....

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
16. I have no opposition to it. It's a personal thing.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:44 PM
Mar 2012

I don't believe the state should get involved on any side for or against.

Why isn't it in the private realm where people have access and provide for their own services?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
18. Why does the government get involved with this at all? Isn't it no one else's business?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:56 PM
Mar 2012

Stop preventing abortions and don't ask taxpayers to pay for it. Why isn't that the solution?

Same thing for birth control. If the government really wants better access to contraception then take it OTC.

Response to dkf (Reply #18)

Response to dkf (Reply #20)

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
22. We shouldn't have to pay for wars that aren't properly declared.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:15 PM
Mar 2012

We have totally lost control of our ability to say what we pay for. Heck who even knows the extent of our funding on anything?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
12. But do african americans in 2012 need another Martin Luther King?
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:37 AM
Mar 2012

The playing field is radically different than it was in 1965. No one has stepped into Gloria Steinem's shoes because that particular pair of shoes is not suited to the function needed today, and arguably worn out.

ananda

(28,868 posts)
2. Well, yes...
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:34 AM
Mar 2012

... the world is certainly good for rich, entitled women... the 1%.

But for the rest, it's another story entirely... regressing and getting
worse daily.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. It's like
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:40 AM
Mar 2012

every other civil rights issue. There have not been clear and highly prominent leaders on any of these issues.

Immigration and voting rights are under attack. The RW has launched an all out war on civil rights.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
7. I'd stipulate that Gloria Steinem could be viewed as the "tip of the spear" for feminism
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:07 AM
Mar 2012

She is a magnificent leader for women's equality in general.

Now we have multiple women leading on numerous fronts; birth control, women leaders in politics, women leaders in medicine, law, pilots, military etc. etc. So the leadership is now much more diffuse and working hard in their particular zone. Its really hard because so many of them are vilified when they step out in front (like Hillary Clinton or in today's news Sandra Fluke).

If we are lacking leadership anywhere I'd say it's on the social issues: pay, working conditions, childcare. The Department of Health and Human Services is headed by Kathleen Sebelius who could do more to put a spotlight on these issues imho.

bonnieS

(224 posts)
17. a lot of what you say is true
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:46 PM
Mar 2012

As a NOW member I find that there are leaders nationally, statewide, and locally. In fact I am President of a chapter, once again, as I was in the late 70's. However, it must be remembered that the media chose Steinem (articulate and terrific as she has always been) because she was so pretty, to be a "leader." At the time, like Occupy today, we did not have one leader who spoke for all. We were many, and we are many now.

The Times and other mainstream publications are always predicting or announcing the death of the women's movement and always finding a new way to make women feel that we are adrift. We are under total attack, but we are resolute. As always.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
8. If the reason Gloria Steinem has no successors is that Sandra Fluke was bullied
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:10 AM
Mar 2012

then the Left is already dead.

Heat and pressure harden eggs. Iron is forged in fire. If the threat of a serious ass whupping or the occurrence of one is enough to scare women into not fighting for equal rights then we not only have a misogyny issue... we have a lack of courage issue, and I'm not really sure which one is worse.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
9. Seems to me
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:23 AM
Mar 2012

Seems to me that feminists are more interested in fighting against each other than about getting anything useful accomplished.

And most "feminists" I seem to encounter in the real world are all wrapped up in promoting "sex positivism" and have lost focus on the other (non sexy) stuff.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
10. why? because there`s tens of millions of gloria steinhems across the country
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:30 AM
Mar 2012

all the children say....

"we don`t need another hero

we don`t need to know the way home

all we want is life beyond the thunderdome"


BeyondGeography

(39,376 posts)
11. There's a 25-point gender gap in our favor
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:36 AM
Mar 2012

so I don't think the nation is actually suffering politically for lack of post-Steinems.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
13. The fact that this article got parked in "Fashion and Style"
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:01 PM
Mar 2012

might be a clue about the answer to that question.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
14. There was only one Gloria Steinem
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:14 PM
Mar 2012

Right woman at the right time and Right On about everything. Pro-choice, anti-war and way ahead of her time. Respect her greatly!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. i have been thinking about this. what i see, it is not about ALL of women, but individual
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:49 PM
Mar 2012

there is not the sense of responsibility to all women. it is responsibility to self. so you have all these laws being passed effecting the younger women and they dont have the sense of solidarity. they are taught that it is individual empowerment. whereas you see the older women stepping up, speaking out like the steinmans and fondas cause that is what the movement was in the past

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