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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:54 AM Jan 2014

I'm not generally in favor of "banning" stuff, but maybe Carl's Jr. went a bit too far (maybe NSFW)

This ad was supposedly Carl's Jr. entry into the Super Bowl ad blitz. It sure is something to look at, but the tv people banned it for being too "hot." I think "hot" was the point. Maybe a little selective editing would tone it down a bit, but it does seem a bit overly sexual for selling a stupid panty melt. Er, patty melt.

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I'm not generally in favor of "banning" stuff, but maybe Carl's Jr. went a bit too far (maybe NSFW) (Original Post) Atman Jan 2014 OP
I've boycotted Carl's for decades, always will. Kartcher was an anti choice Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #1
I've never eaten at one, either. Atman Jan 2014 #5
We boycotted as teenagers who actually longed for the food. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #14
There seems to be no end to the hypocrisy of the RW-family-values-anti-gay-anti-women-corporate- kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #33
I ate there just the other night with my wife and son. He likes stars Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #63
Well Pretz, that's fine for you. I grew up where Carl was personally funding Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #71
nice Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #2
it's SFW, unless you work at a convent. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #3
I thought so, too...but you never know. Atman Jan 2014 #8
lol. it's like a parody of sex selling.... everything cali Jan 2014 #4
After watching this ad about ten times ... earthside Jan 2014 #6
She's eating a sandwich?? Inkfreak Jan 2014 #55
I like women and burgers. I also like swimming pools and lasagna NightWatcher Jan 2014 #7
i see what you did... Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #31
Bet you could avoid sauce stains that way tho. (nt) Inkfreak Jan 2014 #56
Viral marketing 101. Brickbat Jan 2014 #9
Bingo. Atman Jan 2014 #12
It's from 2 years ago according sufrommich Jan 2014 #40
yes. I think it has been previously posted on DU, iirc. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #87
Pretty effective advertisement bpositive Jan 2014 #10
Patty? I thought her name was Kate... alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #24
Nothing good bpositive Jan 2014 #26
What an excellent display of male privilege. redqueen Jan 2014 #45
The "objectified woman" is a willing participant. pintobean Jan 2014 #49
Except the ad wasn't made for the one objectified woman featured. R B Garr Jan 2014 #57
Yes they do NobodyHere Jan 2014 #99
Well, the ad was banned, so this one is not an issue. R B Garr Jan 2014 #101
A helpful metaphor. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #114
First time I've seen someone having simulated sex with a hamburger. tridim Jan 2014 #11
They have vibrator commercials? Who knew? jmowreader Jan 2014 #95
She's cheating on that patty melt! snooper2 Jan 2014 #13
no you don't understand azurnoir Jan 2014 #102
Their ads are either over the top sex or very mean spirited. I watch their ads and think OregonBlue Jan 2014 #15
The fact that people enjoy this objectifying bullshit makes me sick. redqueen Jan 2014 #16
The sad thing is that some otherwise "progressive" posters Ron Green Jan 2014 #23
Cartoonish is a perfect word. redqueen Jan 2014 #28
Why do advertisers think women like to "get it on" with inanimate objects? Fawke Em Jan 2014 #36
Yep, women make up the majority of health conscious shoppers. redqueen Jan 2014 #43
I would pay good money to be a fly on the wall at a Super Bowl party when... Shandris Jan 2014 #44
"Are there any ads with hot-n-sexxxy, speedo-clad men writhing around?" Why, yes, actually... Atman Jan 2014 #46
A 20+ year old SNL skit? redqueen Jan 2014 #48
It was a joke! Atman Jan 2014 #50
No jokes allowed! ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #54
I don't consider objectification to be a joking matter. redqueen Jan 2014 #58
But you asked why there weren't ads of sexy men! Atman Jan 2014 #59
You clearly don't care about objectification. nt redqueen Jan 2014 #60
Clearly. Only YOU do. Everyone else is wrong. Atman Jan 2014 #61
You don't even know what the word means, FFS. redqueen Jan 2014 #64
handfuls LOL..we need more sexy male ads, I hate frumpy guys pimping T-Mobile snooper2 Jan 2014 #68
Coca Cola do them, and have doenm for some years muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #77
Wow. One in 94, and one 19 years later. redqueen Jan 2014 #80
Do you have an obsession with speedos? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #81
LOL, no, just fairness. redqueen Jan 2014 #85
"Obsession" Feral Child Jan 2014 #109
Don't be coy. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #120
Sock Feral Child Jan 2014 #121
I'm impressed that you have such authority on that posters 'obsession' as you put it AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #122
"Authority"? Feral Child Jan 2014 #123
Methinks someone doth protest too much. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #128
I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Feral Child Jan 2014 #129
Look at you, spinnin' AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #130
There is actually a great montage of ads "objectifying" men on YouTube Atman Jan 2014 #84
And salad dressing pintobean Jan 2014 #110
You can't even eat a burger like that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #119
I agree. There's nothing sexy about that. I actually thought it was pretty yucky Number23 Jan 2014 #100
They have to PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #34
Not giving a shit about objectification is a funny way of demonstrating that one likes women. nt redqueen Jan 2014 #35
You mean like 3rd wave feminists? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #131
That sandwich looks greasy and gross. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #17
I'll just leave it at GOOD DECISION.... Uggh, objectifying for the "gawd almighty" dollar.... hlthe2b Jan 2014 #18
I would think that good food "sells itself." Tanuki Jan 2014 #19
That ad is totally SFW. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #20
The children at work? Atman Jan 2014 #21
No woman could eat that 700 calorie hamburger and drink that 350 calorie soda and still have... Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #22
Well said. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #27
Nobody said you had to eat like that every day. But I see the point, regardless. n/t nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #89
It's just as fun to read the comments here. upaloopa Jan 2014 #25
Oh stop. GoneOffShore Jan 2014 #70
That has got to be the stupidest commercial ever. Jazzgirl Jan 2014 #29
"Acting is the ability to have an orgasm over shampoo, hamburgers, or cleaning products" FSogol Jan 2014 #30
So...if I eat at Carl's Jr, Kate Upton will sit on my face? NuclearDem Jan 2014 #32
I ate at carls jr. on a road trip once I don't remember being impressed or blown away by it Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #37
Its a normal commercial for Carl's Jr. quinnox Jan 2014 #38
I guess I'm numb to embarrassing food advertising. Because it doesn't factor in my choices one way nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #92
I hear ya quinnox Jan 2014 #97
Usually in these Hardees commercials Go Vols Jan 2014 #39
I've always thought Pastrami to be the most sensual meat. 1000words Jan 2014 #41
i can't recall ever thinking about food DesertFlower Jan 2014 #105
when i was dating most times i was taken out DesertFlower Jan 2014 #107
The commercial should have been banned. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #42
I get so tired of this shit sometimes. GaYellowDawg Jan 2014 #47
The idea is for you to remember the product, upaloopa Jan 2014 #73
In that case, Kate Upton = the product R B Garr Jan 2014 #98
Hot! liberal N proud Jan 2014 #51
What a great commercial. PeteSelman Jan 2014 #52
Very super bowl-sexy-cheerleaders-let's-get-physical oriented. loudsue Jan 2014 #53
I love that ad LittleBlue Jan 2014 #62
Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker. Dorothy Parker Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #65
But sex won't rot your teeth OR give you a hangover! 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #69
No, not Dorothy Parker. Ogden Nash. redqueen Jan 2014 #72
Why is it offensive? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #75
The meaning of this poem, such as it is, redqueen Jan 2014 #78
Perhaps this would make a better Carl's Jr. ad Atman Jan 2014 #66
It is Carl's Jr. Enough said nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #67
I think it's a good ad. I still wouldn't eat at carls jr, though. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #74
The food in their commercials Mr.Bill Jan 2014 #76
TV ads should not show women The Straight Story Jan 2014 #79
Even vibrator ads have horses now jakeXT Jan 2014 #86
The problem is that stereotyping is so easy, both for those who create the ads and those who watch nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #94
One of their better ads. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #82
Seems a... 3catwoman3 Jan 2014 #83
This thread would break DU if Carl's Jr. was selling hot dogs. rug Jan 2014 #88
Like someone else said, even those who like both fast food burgers and attractive women nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #90
I'm going there now to try the Philly cheesesteak burger for dinner. Throd Jan 2014 #91
About what I expected. Not good, not bad. Throd Jan 2014 #96
Being that you went there for sexist reasons, did you open the door for anyone while there? The Straight Story Jan 2014 #103
I hate cheese panader0 Jan 2014 #93
do you really? so do i. the only cheese DesertFlower Jan 2014 #106
Food porn. begin_within Jan 2014 #104
Oh look, more flame bait. How novel. n/t MadrasT Jan 2014 #108
Here's an ad for Burger King's "BK Super 7-incher"...I don't think it won any sensitivity awards. Captain Stern Jan 2014 #111
That, IMHO, is much worse than the silly ad in the OP. It's completely offensive stevenleser Jan 2014 #112
I agree Captain Stern Jan 2014 #113
Justin Verlander is the luckiest SOB who ever lived Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #115
I thought that has been over for a while. nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #118
Really? That's pretty friggin' tame. nt WeekendWarrior Jan 2014 #116
What's the Super Bowl??? Hepburn Jan 2014 #117
here are some facts SwampG8r Jan 2014 #124
Its called acting. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #125
oh jeepers thanks i didnt know until i read this SwampG8r Jan 2014 #126
I'm from Cocoa Beach...that's how I "found" the ad. Atman Jan 2014 #127
OMG! She should put on a burqa or something!!! tabasco Jan 2014 #132
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
1. I've boycotted Carl's for decades, always will. Kartcher was an anti choice
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jan 2014

crusader who was also highly homophobic. He was a local issue growing up. No one I knew would eat there.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
5. I've never eaten at one, either.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jan 2014

Thanks for the info on the owner. I didn't know that, and I'll certainly ad them to my list of places to avoid at all cost. But that burger looks mighty good...for horrible fast food. I might make one at home out of ground turkey and our own jalepeños we grew over the summer.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. We boycotted as teenagers who actually longed for the food.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jan 2014

Carl's paid for anti choice billboards in CA, lots of them, it was more than just 'he is opposed to choice' he was an activist. He's long dead but still touted and lauded by the company. The boycott is a permanent part of me, I think I'd get ill if I ate there.
Make your own! I've been baking my own buns recently, a serious elevation of turkey burger night.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
33. There seems to be no end to the hypocrisy of the RW-family-values-anti-gay-anti-women-corporate-
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jan 2014

bastards.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
63. I ate there just the other night with my wife and son. He likes stars
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jan 2014

so that was a high point of his day--pointing out all of the star shapes in Carls Jr.

I literally do not have the energy to put every little shopping decision through a matrix of acceptability based on what the owner said or did at some point.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
71. Well Pretz, that's fine for you. I grew up where Carl was personally funding
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jan 2014

attacks on clinics and the women attending them. Putting up horrific right wing billboards. With his name on them. So no 'matrix of acceptability' was required of me, it was local, obvious, in your face. He was also an aggressively anti gay activist just when I was coming out. He was the enemy and he lived a mile away. I was raised a Democrat, he was a big Republican funder. Plenty of better burgers.
No one asked you to do anything. So do that which pleases you. As I said, Carl is dead, the company is no longer that which it was under him, although for me they are forever on the shit list, if you want to eat there, who gives a shit?
Carl would never have allowed the sexy commercials they have so his influence on the corporate culture is clearly next to nothing. He would have hated them. Which is why I like them. Carl was a big, giant, religious right Republican. A smug, nasty old so and so. But he's also dead and buried. But I'm still not eating there.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
8. I thought so, too...but you never know.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jan 2014

Some people get pretty uptight about what shows up on their work computers.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
6. After watching this ad about ten times ...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jan 2014

... I have concluded that it is 'too hot' for general audiences.

And ... I'm still not clear on what kind of sandwich she's eating; I guess i'll have to watch it again.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. I like women and burgers. I also like swimming pools and lasagna
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jan 2014

I do not want to see a video, nor eat, a plate full of lasagna while swimming.

This is a tad over the top.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
12. Bingo.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jan 2014

Of course, I found it on FB. It'll probably have a million hits long before the Super Bong even airs.

bpositive

(423 posts)
10. Pretty effective advertisement
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jan 2014

I suddenly got an urge to have a patty melt

Kidding aside, this might be a tough one to explain to my nine year old twins or even for my 14 year old.

bpositive

(423 posts)
26. Nothing good
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jan 2014

Can come from this commercial- I can see it now, wife pissed (honey I was just admiring the buns and the hot and juicy peppers), kids confused (dad- why is she sweating so much and taking off her clothes)

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
45. What an excellent display of male privilege.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jan 2014

You get to sit there and be entertained by the image of an objectified woman. A woman turned into a sex object to hawk burgers.

You get to have a laugh at your wife's negative reaction to your enjoying the displaying of caricaturized sexuality.

You get to chuckle at your own kids being conditioned. A daughter learns how acceptable it is that women's bodies and sexuality are caricatured and commodified. I'm sure that's a pleasant lesson. A son learns that this is just one manifestation of the many forms of male privilege that he inherits and can enjoy, if he wants.

Yes, let's all have a good chuckle at how amusing the issues of sexual objectification, dehumanization, indoctrination, and male privilege are.

Certainly wouldn't expect this to be taken seriously here. Oh, no.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
57. Except the ad wasn't made for the one objectified woman featured.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jan 2014

That much is obvious. The ad was made for the millions of viewers who are in front of their TV. They don't control the programming.



R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
101. Well, the ad was banned, so this one is not an issue.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:31 AM
Jan 2014

But my post was in response to women being willing participants in this ad. There was only one woman in the ad, and I would bet she was paid for her appearance. Those women who are unable to change the channel to avoid it didn't get to decide the programming.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
11. First time I've seen someone having simulated sex with a hamburger.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jan 2014

Why aren't vibrator commercials that hot?

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
15. Their ads are either over the top sex or very mean spirited. I watch their ads and think
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:13 AM
Jan 2014

who would want to eat there after watching that? Total turn off and consequently, I have never eaten there.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
16. The fact that people enjoy this objectifying bullshit makes me sick.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jan 2014

The fact that some are comfortable sharing their appreciation for it on DU is both disappointing and revealing.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
23. The sad thing is that some otherwise "progressive" posters
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jan 2014

respond to it as an issue of sex or prudery (or even sandwiches) rather than objectification.

This is NOT a sexy ad, it's a cartoonish one. The corporate media have convinced lots of young males that this is sexy.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
36. Why do advertisers think women like to "get it on" with inanimate objects?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jan 2014

You had the whole Swiffer ad campaign with women breaking up with brooms.

Now, they're sweating over a burger?

The ironically funny thing about this cartoonish ad is that a lot of women are very health conscious (studies indicate that, in any case) and wouldn't touch that burger - or any fast food burger - with a 10-foot pole.

And, if they did, they probably wouldn't look that for long - you know, minus all the air-brushing, surgical "enhancements" and wardrobe props.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
43. Yep, women make up the majority of health conscious shoppers.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jan 2014

There's an ad with a guy similar to this too. Not a sexy guy depicting a cartoon version of male sexuality, but an average looking guy, talking sexy to a burger in some Wendy's ads.

Are there any ads with hot-n-sexxxy, speedo-clad men writhing around?

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
44. I would pay good money to be a fly on the wall at a Super Bowl party when...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jan 2014

...the hot-guy-in-Speedos commercial came on. Maybe a little mechanical drone fly, so I could make some recordings and patch it together for an after-Super Bowl commercial about "Do you see the difference now?".

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
48. A 20+ year old SNL skit?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jan 2014

The best parody ad ever, but you don't see real commercials like that. There are a few cutesy commercials using men now which are nowhere near as bad as the ad in the OP, and even in this skit, the men are not writhing around.

Your having to go back over two decades, to a parody of reality, to use it as an example only reinforces how bad things are.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
50. It was a joke!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jan 2014

Good grief. The funny thing is, you can find several ads on YouTube featuring "sexy men" (but wait, I thought that was objectifying?), but when you have beautiful men "writhing around," they simply look gay, and that doesn't do much for the advertiser unless they're looking to attract other gay males. I think Carl's Jr. is well aware that no woman (at not one trying to maintain a certain level of fitness) is going to touch that massive greaseburger. Something tells me this ad was not geared towards women, though.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
58. I don't consider objectification to be a joking matter.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jan 2014

I could go through your post and describe how these things should make us question this kind of depiction of women and women's sexuality. I just don't have the energy.

I'll just share these for anyone who actually cares about this issue.



Atman

(31,464 posts)
59. But you asked why there weren't ads of sexy men!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jan 2014

It would be okay to use sexy men? As I said, I found several such ads...selling men's underwear to apparently gay men. Or men's cologne, to apparently gay men. Then you have the Gevalia coffee ads with women swooning over a man's coffee, and of course the old Fabio fake-butter (man-butter?) ads.

Not every woman featured in an ad is Photoshopped to hell. Although these days, Photoshop is so easy (and cheap) that it is something most advertisers have taken to. I used to shoot catalogs and ads for a major women's clothing chain, and the models we used would never be caught dead wearing the "ready-to-wear" crap we sold at malls across the country. And we never re-touched photos, other than color corrections or minor blemish removals done by the printer. And the models still looked great.

If you wanted to, you could make the argument that when Walmart started using their "real employees" in sales flyers, this was the ultimate in objectification. Here they used "normal" people -- not ideal weight, no super-model looks -- to tell everyone else it was okay to look "normal," which is fine. But Walmart's REAL motivation was to avoid paying real models, and further line the Walton's pockets. And put another segment of the population out of work. Models are very expensive. So Walmart used its employees virtually for free, who were thrilled to see themselves in print with their name and store # listed. THAT is objectification and exploitation.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
61. Clearly. Only YOU do. Everyone else is wrong.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 04:57 PM
Jan 2014
Even though my post was saying just the opposite.

We've all been down this road with you before.

Buh-buh. I'm going out for a burger.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
64. You don't even know what the word means, FFS.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jan 2014

You're minimizing it by comparing it to fucking Walmart ads and comedy skits.

I said before that there are a handful of examples of commercials featuring sexy men. That you have to ask about whether men can be objectified shows you've done zero reading about the issue.

It's great that you don't give a shit and all, but why advertise it by posting this old ad and basically mocking this serious feminist issue?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
68. handfuls LOL..we need more sexy male ads, I hate frumpy guys pimping T-Mobile
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

LOL

You like this ad? The announcer lady does

From SuperBowl 2013

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
80. Wow. One in 94, and one 19 years later.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jan 2014

And neither one writhing around in a speedo.

Are you sure you're not trying to make my point for me?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,317 posts)
81. Do you have an obsession with speedos?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jan 2014

It's not as if the video in the OP features a woman in any form of swimsuit. Are speedos the only form of male sexiness that you'll accept?

Yes, one in 94, and one 19 years later - so, before and after the one in the OP you're concerned about.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
85. LOL, no, just fairness.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jan 2014

Mea culpa, I was thinking of the Paris Hilton ad.

So, anyway, was there any writhing? Did he place the coke can between his legs and squirm? Did it show any close ups of his bulge? His ass? His face as he seductively licked drops off the can?

The fact is, men are simply not treated the same way.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
121. Sock
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jan 2014
this, A/C.

Maybe you should report me if you think I'm violating the rules.

Or, are you just being coy?

Not every Noob that makes a comment that offends your pals is a sock-puppet.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
122. I'm impressed that you have such authority on that posters 'obsession' as you put it
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 04:20 PM
Jan 2014

given your post count and age on the site. Doesn't prove anything of course, and my comment was not polite, but, neither was yours.

You have the same recourse.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
123. "Authority"?
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 09:37 AM
Jan 2014

I snickered at a person I consider to be silly. That was in agreement with another poster, btw, one with more "authority" derived from their larger post-count and longevity.

As if that matters.

You called me a sock-puppet. That wasn't just rude, it's a call-out and a challenge. One that is frowned upon by the community. It's considered in bad taste to try to bully a "younger" poster based on post-count, isn't it?

You're correct, I do have recourse to alerting on your rude post, but I prefer letting it stand as a testimonial to your bad behavior.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
128. Methinks someone doth protest too much.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jan 2014

You attacked that poster first. It was unwarranted and crude. Don't even bother trying to take the high road now. Nobody's buying it.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
129. I haven't a clue what you're talking about.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jan 2014

I didn't "attack" anyone. I agreed with another poster about the fixation of she-you-are-over-eager-to-defend.

Please note that the aggrieved party hasn't responded to my post; apparently, it wasn't as offensive as you'd like to believe.

A quick review of the thread discloses that you did not question the poster I responded to, did not inform her that the post I was agreeing with was ""unwarranted and crude". Interesting. You thought you could pick a fight with the Newbee, but were scared to call out a senior poster. Your reluctance is understandable. Misquoting Shakespeare by paraphrase is the mark of an inferior intellect. It's trite. I suspect Muriel has schooled you sharply in the past and your prose wasn't really up to the challenge.


Perhaps you could define your terms. In what way was my post "crude"? Describe my crudity with specificity, please.

I'll determine what's appropriate for me to post, thank you. I'd suggest you worry about the ethics of making unwarranted and crude accusations against a junior poster.

"Nobody's buying it". You've taken a survey, made a consensus; perhaps posted a poll, and that's why you feel confident in speaking for the entire community. Clearly, you're the spoke-person for DU, since "nobody" else has chosen to support your pillory.

This exchange is a waste of my time. Still, I suppose I can continue to bolster my post count with ripostes to your frantic scrambling to justify your call-out. Tell me, how many posts do you require before you treat a DUer with respect?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
130. Look at you, spinnin'
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jan 2014

I altered the Shakespeare quote to fit the situation. For instance, I don't know your gender. (And I don't make it a habit of clicking on people's profiles) But you knew it was adapted on purpose, didn't you?

Obsession carries a negative connotation.

"•Compulsive preoccupation with a fixed idea or an unwanted feeling or emotion, often accompanied by symptoms of anxiety.
• A compulsive, often unreasonable idea or emotion."

It is ad hominem to hit Redqueen with that accusation. 'Obsession' also carries insinuation of mental disorder, which is blatantly against the rules, crude, and unwarranted. Plain and simple.

It is ALSO adhom for me to hit you with insinuation that you are a sockpuppet. In fact, I don't personally think you are a sockpuppet so much as you sound like a person returning to the site from a ban, with an axe to grind against Redqueen. That, or you make ridiculously snap judgments about such users. (And then insult them.) I am curious what, in your own words, could be your 'good faith' motive to insult Redqueen in the middle of a tit-for-tat between that poster and muriel?


You are correct, I didn't bother to respond to Muriel, because that poster was being highly disingenuous upthread anyway, and it is pointless.

Redqueen asked for examples of what for females is pervasive and common advertising. Got two examples, one two decades old and neither showing a similar sexual overtone. That's pretty disingenuous. When Redqueen rejected those examples for that obvious reason, the response is that he or she is 'obsessed' with side hurf durfery about the speedo, which CLEARLY was never the point. Lame, but I'm not going to waste my time on it. RQ obviously didn't either.

And you're doubling down insinuating 'fear' on my part, rather than general disgust with Muriel. I'm not afraid of ANY poster on this site.

"Tell me, how many posts do you require before you treat a DUer with respect?"

One post is sufficient, if you treat other posters with respect. You did not. You attacked. Calling someone obsessed about the speedo thing, when that wasn't even Redqueen's point, is not an attempt at honest dialogue. Your post was not worthy of respect and you damn well know it. You're free to scour my post history for similar behavior. I don't think I've EVER had cause to call out a low post count person, who wasn't subsequently MIRT'd via alert. (Not something your post warrants even clicking alert on, honestly.)

'Obsessed' 'frantic scrambling' 'scared' 'inferior intellect' blah. You're really good at slinging sideline insults, aren't you. You DO sound familiar. Just sayin'.

Edit: And yes, I also changed the ORDER of the quote, rather than just the gender. Tough shit. I hope it bothers you.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
84. There is actually a great montage of ads "objectifying" men on YouTube
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jan 2014

But it was part of a longer video about the myth of "objectifying" women. It was rather good, btw, showing how men are always treated as idiots "objects" in advertising, whereas people like redqueen would be screaming from the rooftops if women were shown in similar situations. We've had a billion of those threads, and she isn't going to listen anyway. Remember, she has already ruled that I don't know anything and therefore I am not qualified to have an opinion. At least one that is not strictly in line with hers.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
119. You can't even eat a burger like that.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 08:04 PM
Jan 2014

You would end up wearing more than you consumed, and if you weren't the owner of the car, the owner would kill you. It's offensively un-hygienic before you even GET to the rank sexism. And as the other thread covered, imagine a man going through the same motions in the ad. I don't think 'awkward' would cover it.


Who can guess why the setting of a drive-in was chosen? Anyone?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
100. I agree. There's nothing sexy about that. I actually thought it was pretty yucky
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:15 AM
Jan 2014

Kate Upton is exceptionally average looking to me. I see girls equally as pretty or much prettier than her on a daily basis. Her "appeal" seems to come from her apparent joy at being seen as absolutely nothing more than a sex object which is kind of sad.

When I opened up my Vanity Fair a few months ago and found this:



My first thought in all honesty was "eeewwww."

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
19. I would think that good food "sells itself."
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jan 2014

It must be bloody awful if it takes this much to make anyone actually want to buy it.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
20. That ad is totally SFW.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:56 AM
Jan 2014

It's not like she's naked or anything.

Big deal.

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!11111111111

Atman

(31,464 posts)
21. The children at work?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:00 PM
Jan 2014

Huh? As I stated at the top of the thread, I don't think it is NSFW, either (except maybe for where young kids are sewing A&F t-shirts), but I was actually thinking about the employees. They know their workplace better than I do. Some obviously have a problem with it...why take the chance when it is easy enough to provide a heads-up? After all, I did say MAYBE NSFW.


22. No woman could eat that 700 calorie hamburger and drink that 350 calorie soda and still have...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:07 PM
Jan 2014

that figure. In my opinion, that's the most offensive part of the commercial. That hamburger just looks gross. I can guarantee Kate Upton does not eat that burger on a regular basis. I hate it that the most unhealthy foods are the ones most heavily marketed.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
27. Well said.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jan 2014

"...the most unhealthy foods are the ones most heavily marketed."

As a general rule I don't eat things that are advertised on TV (or anywhere really). I certainly don't buy the processed "food" that are in the ads/coupons of the Sunday papers. People clip those coupons and get to buy shitty food for .75 less! *sigh*

Julie

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
25. It's just as fun to read the comments here.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jan 2014

There is a mute button, an off switch and a channel selector on my remote. If I don't like what is on TV I use them.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
30. "Acting is the ability to have an orgasm over shampoo, hamburgers, or cleaning products"
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jan 2014

- FSogol

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
37. I ate at carls jr. on a road trip once I don't remember being impressed or blown away by it
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jan 2014

It was a while ago so I can't even tell you what it tasted like

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
38. Its a normal commercial for Carl's Jr.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jan 2014

They have been running commercials in this theme for years.

They actually have really good burgers when compared to most fast food chains out there.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
92. I guess I'm numb to embarrassing food advertising. Because it doesn't factor in my choices one way
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jan 2014

or the other, most of the time. I don't eat much fast food these days anyway, though I still get the urge from time to time. And you're absolutely right that Carl's burgers are better than most - though I can think of at least two small, local chains around me whose food is even better.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
39. Usually in these Hardees commercials
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2014, 09:56 AM - Edit history (1)

the hamburger is about the size of the girls head.It doesn't inspire me to go to Hardees and get one.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
105. i can't recall ever thinking about food
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:53 AM
Jan 2014

while having sex -- after sex when i was a smoker i wanted a cigarette, but i stopped smoking in '83.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
107. when i was dating most times i was taken out
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:05 AM
Jan 2014

for a good dinner -- then sometimes dancing -- it was the late 60s. sex came afterward.

i remember one of my boyfriends saying after we had a great meal "good food, good booze, and a good woman -- what more can a man ask for?"



GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
47. I get so tired of this shit sometimes.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jan 2014

Like I'm supposed to instantly spring a hard-on and go dashing for the nearest Carl Jr's? I think it's a parody of that kind of advertising, but still. Tiresome.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
98. In that case, Kate Upton = the product
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:52 AM
Jan 2014

the burger was just along for the ride.

In any event, the ad was banned, so only those searching YouTube videos that are now years old would be aware of it.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
78. The meaning of this poem, such as it is,
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jan 2014

is sure, candy is a nice gift and all, but getting a woman drunk is a much faster means to an end than 'wasting time' with such niceties.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
67. It is Carl's Jr. Enough said
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jan 2014

they have been doing this for a few years. Just noticed?

We make fun of those adds in this house. So this one takes it a tad over from what is the new normal for objectifying women.

Now that the Karcher family sold, after Carl Karcher passed, I expect Arby's and Carl's Jr to drop like a rock.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
79. TV ads should not show women
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jan 2014

If they are seen in a kitchen, it is sexist.

Seen doing laundry or taking care of kids? Sexist.

Seen in an office wearing a dress/makeup? Sexist.

Seen wearing something they look 'good' in? You are sexist for thinking they look good and are probably leering because you hate women.

This should be how all commercials look (just voice over your product):


nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
94. The problem is that stereotyping is so easy, both for those who create the ads and those who watch
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jan 2014

them. A woman doing stuff in a kitchen is not problematic by itself, but only insofar as it arguably feeds into stereotypes about female gender roles. Likewise, it's not that there's anything inherently wrong with an attractive woman doing supposedly "sexy" stuff in an ad - it's how that feeds into unrealistic fantasy-images of the female body, compared to which the average woman (and man) doesn't have a prayer.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
90. Like someone else said, even those who like both fast food burgers and attractive women
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jan 2014

(consider me "guilty&quot don't necessarily want to see them combined in some bizarre fetishistic mini-orgy.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
91. I'm going there now to try the Philly cheesesteak burger for dinner.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:42 PM
Jan 2014

The advertisement features Terrell Owens without a shirt.

I'm going to take my 10 year old daughter with me because I think women are inferior, or something.

I'll let y'all know how it goes.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
96. About what I expected. Not good, not bad.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:18 PM
Jan 2014

I'll stick with the Western Bacon Cheeseburger next time.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
103. Being that you went there for sexist reasons, did you open the door for anyone while there?
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jan 2014

Cause that would be like a double western cheeseburger.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
106. do you really? so do i. the only cheese
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:56 AM
Jan 2014

i'll eat is mozzarella on pizza and i don't eat pizza that often.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
112. That, IMHO, is much worse than the silly ad in the OP. It's completely offensive
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 09:48 AM
Jan 2014

and lacks any subtlety at all. The caption says it all. It might as well read, "In case the photo with the hot blonde woman with bright red lipstick and the large phallic object heading toward her mouth doesnt get you thinking blowjob, yes, its supposed to make you think BLOWJOB"

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
113. I agree
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jan 2014

I'm as a big a fan of clever innuendo as anyone, but the visual imagery coupled with the name of the sandwich is ridiculous. It's like the ad was aimed at sixth-graders.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
124. here are some facts
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jan 2014

kate is from the town I am posting from Melbourne florida
there are no hardee's (that is what carls is in florida) in Melbourne florida
the nearest is in palm bay the next town south
i find it amusing they hired a model who had no (or little) experience with the product

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
126. oh jeepers thanks i didnt know until i read this
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jan 2014

i had no idea i wrote something about the realist nature of the spot
its almost documentarian in its closeness to daily life!
i was at the drive in movies last night watching a lovely young woman in an angora sweater and a 50s convertible have relations with a burger and so i mistook it for real
back atcha and raise you a

Atman

(31,464 posts)
127. I'm from Cocoa Beach...that's how I "found" the ad.
Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jan 2014

One of my surfer buddies posted it to his FB page saying "Hey, look at what our local Super Model is doing!" We're pretty familiar with celebs around those parts. From the old days of Jim Morrison and Jeannie and the astronauts, to today with Kelly Slater and that guy who just got a new reality show on A&E (can't remember his name, after my time there).

I understand your point, but also agree that it really isn't relevant. It is simply her job. That's what models do.

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