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jsr

(7,712 posts)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:34 AM Jan 2014

China starts televising sunrise on giant TV screens because Beijing is so clouded in smog

Last edited Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11188605

China starts televising sunrise due to smog
10:36 AM Saturday Jan 18, 2014



The smog has become so thick in Beijing that the city's natural light-starved masses have begun flocking to huge digital commercial television screens across the city to observe virtual sunrises.

The futuristic screens installed in the Chinese capital usually advertize tourist destinations, but as the season's first wave of extremely dangerous smog hit - residents donned air masks and left their homes to watch the only place where the sun would hail over the horizon that morning.

Commuters across Beijing found themselves cloaked in a thick, gray haze on Thursday as air pollution monitors issued a severe air warning and ordered the elderly and school children to stay indoors until the quality improved.

The air took on an acrid odor, and many of the city's commuters wore industrial strength face masks as they hurried to work.

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After the sunrise, clean air:

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China starts televising sunrise on giant TV screens because Beijing is so clouded in smog (Original Post) jsr Jan 2014 OP
That is some surreal dystopian shit. Where are we headed? flying rabbit Jan 2014 #1
Stole my thought. This is right out of one of those dystopian fiction books about the future. marmar Jan 2014 #2
Libertarian, lassiez faire capitalist planet. No regulations, can't have those... Who's to say that freshwest Jan 2014 #13
China is a deeply conservative nation, not a libertarian one n/t Fumesucker Jan 2014 #18
It was either the summer of '72 or '73 madokie Jan 2014 #15
Visited family in Riverside in 1980 and didn't realize a mountain was nearby. It was the era of freshwest Jan 2014 #24
My thought is it is a combination of all those madokie Jan 2014 #25
My thoughts exactly, flying rabbit. This is some great fodder for a dystopian story. chrisa Jan 2014 #28
plus one. sad and scary Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #29
OMG that is so unbelievably wrong on SO MANY LEVELS! Oh God!! Ecumenist Jan 2014 #3
Surreal. Sienna86 Jan 2014 #4
Dystopian! Kaleva Jan 2014 #6
That was my first thought, too! GMTA, haha. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #14
But regulations are a drag on capitalism!1! JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #5
All those pesky digits that represent living things be damned! MOAR MUNNY! n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #26
Now that's capitalism! Brickbat Jan 2014 #7
I know a gal who works for a Japanese airline company Art_from_Ark Jan 2014 #8
If that doesn't show the depths our denial will go Shankapotomus Jan 2014 #9
Too bad were so dependent on China for the cheap labor and buying our treasuries (debt) karadax Jan 2014 #10
The US government isn't all that interested in taking better care of US workers Fumesucker Jan 2014 #17
if republicans had their way, this would be the landscape in our major cities spanone Jan 2014 #11
It was, once; the Clean Air Act and environmental regulations changed that Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #16
Didn't you read the OP? This pollution was simply exported. Not eliminated. nt Romulox Jan 2014 #21
I feel so bad for those people. polly7 Jan 2014 #12
isn't this vaguely onethatcares Jan 2014 #19
. jsr Jan 2014 #20
More of the bitter fruit of "Free Trade". Are you "centrists" ashamed *yet*???? nt Romulox Jan 2014 #22
Do you believe that this would not have happened if China had not joined the WTO? pampango Jan 2014 #33
Mordor. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #23
One question: Wouldn't it be better if we burned our coal here where we have enviromental doc03 Jan 2014 #27
That is incredibly sad sakabatou Jan 2014 #30
Wow. It seems more like protest art. It must feel like salt in a wound for Beijing residents. Matariki Jan 2014 #31
No, Beijing residents are NOT watching fake sunrises on giant TVs because of pollution Newsjock Jan 2014 #32

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
13. Libertarian, lassiez faire capitalist planet. No regulations, can't have those... Who's to say that
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:02 AM
Jan 2014
Los Angeles wouldn't look like that with no pollution standards on cars or industry?

Mexico City is supposed to be in a bad way itself in this hemisphere.

Don't know where the other hellholes are, I'm sure other cities are just as bad.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
15. It was either the summer of '72 or '73
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:16 AM
Jan 2014

went out to Riverside California and that is what it looked like there then.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
24. Visited family in Riverside in 1980 and didn't realize a mountain was nearby. It was the era of
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jan 2014
photochemical smog and stayed until the Santa Ana winds blew and pushed it to the Pacific. It was caused by the action of sunlight on hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides, etc.

Bill Maher used it as an example of how humans effect climate through stringent regulation. Thus it was caused by human action and relieved by human action.

I guess I lucked out and didn't see that, although I grew up in a city that only improved air quality from regulation, then it was changed. It's not the same kind of smog, but it's still not that good as far as air quality goes.

Where I live now, our worst problem is lack of winds when many are heating with wood. Too much particulates in the air. I wonder if they are using wood, oil or coal causing this very bad smog in China? Or if it's simply unreulated cars?


madokie

(51,076 posts)
25. My thought is it is a combination of all those
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jan 2014

Not sure they use wood for heat but I'd bet they use oil and coal. I really don't know though

When I was spending time in Riverside during '68 and early '69 I never seen any thing like this but when I went back a few years later it was like I was in a whole different country, it was so different. Air quality wise that is.

I really liked that part of Ca, Riverside, San Berdu and Big Bear. It was great. Lots of good people there.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
28. My thoughts exactly, flying rabbit. This is some great fodder for a dystopian story.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jan 2014

All that this console needs is an ironic "paid for by (polluting company)" message on it.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
8. I know a gal who works for a Japanese airline company
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jan 2014

She said that one time the visibility in Beijing was so bad, a plane bound for Beijing from Japan had to be sent back to Japan

karadax

(284 posts)
10. Too bad were so dependent on China for the cheap labor and buying our treasuries (debt)
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:20 PM
Jan 2014

A little diplomatic muscle in the form of a trade embargo would ease China into taking better care of its workers / citizens.

I can't help but think the US encourages their economic growth over environment priority.

As long as it's not in our backyard tho, right ?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. The US government isn't all that interested in taking better care of US workers
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 06:05 AM
Jan 2014

Taking care of Chinese ones is a long way down the priority list.

spanone

(135,841 posts)
11. if republicans had their way, this would be the landscape in our major cities
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jan 2014

we don't need no stinking regulations.....

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
16. It was, once; the Clean Air Act and environmental regulations changed that
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 05:50 AM
Jan 2014

NYC, 1973:


Cleveland, 1973:

polly7

(20,582 posts)
12. I feel so bad for those people.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jan 2014

How much does that lack of sunshine and clean air contribute to depression, hopelessness,etc. ... not to mention all the physical problems. I don't know how they live with it, I know I couldn't.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
33. Do you believe that this would not have happened if China had not joined the WTO?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jan 2014

China joined the WTO at the end of 2001. Russia (the last major country to join) joined in 2012.

From 2001 (the last year that trade with China was not governed by the WTO) we imported about $102 billion from China. In 2011 we imported about $399 billion. Our imports increased by a factor of 4.

In 2001 we imported about $6 from Russia. In 2011 (the last year before Russia joined the WTO) we imported about $34 billion. Our imports increased by a factor of almost 6.

Our imports from China are almost 12 times what they are from Russia (our exports to China are 12.5 times what our exports to Russia are) but China has 10 times the population that Russia has. In 2011 our trade with China was 78% imports and 22% exports, while our trade with Russia was 80% imports and 20% exports.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

I am not sure you can make a case that not joining the WTO would have slowed down China's industrialization or trade growth or improved his environmental record. Not being in the WTO did slow down Russia's trade growth. I see not reason to believe that keeping China out of the WTO would have slowed it down any more than it did Russia.

What "non-centrist" policy would have prevented China's economic and trade growth and environmental damage? A Cuba-style trade embargo? That hardly sounds like a liberal policy proposal.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
27. One question: Wouldn't it be better if we burned our coal here where we have enviromental
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jan 2014

laws then export it to China where they don't. Those pictures could be Pittsburgh back in the day but we had so many jobs
we couldn't fill them.

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
32. No, Beijing residents are NOT watching fake sunrises on giant TVs because of pollution
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jan 2014
http://www.techinasia.com/beijing-residents-watching-fake-sunrises-giant-tvs-pollution

Over the weekend, a story that originated on the smut-ridden UK-based Daily Mail went viral among major media outlets across the world. Time, CBS, and the Huffington Post were among the dozens of online news media who published stories about Beijing residents flocking to giant TV screens to see fake sunrises during heavy pollution last week. Most of these stories were accompanied by the same photo of a massive TV screen in Tiananmen Square with a sunrise appearing on it.

In truth, that sunrise was probably on the screen for less than 10 seconds at a time, as it was part of an ad for tourism in China’s Shandong province. The ad plays every day throughout the day all year round no matter how bad the pollution is. The photographer simply snapped the photo at the moment when the sunrise appeared. Look closely, and you can even see the Shandong tourism logo in the bottom right corner. The photo was credited to ChinaFotoPress via Getty Images, so a Daily Mail reporter did not take it.

... Yes, Beijing is polluted, as we at Tech in Asia have also been critical of, but this story is complete bullshit. International media should be embarrassed for not taking even a moment to second guess the Daily Mail, one of the least reputable news sources in the UK.
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