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Get Up with Steve Kornacki - forcing a project to receive hurricane relief (Original Post) malaise Jan 2014 OP
Turn on UP, right effing now deminks Jan 2014 #1
If you want that Sandy money that Rockefeller project needs to move forward malaise Jan 2014 #3
Steve started out good. House of Roberts Jan 2014 #2
Irritating, isn't it? randome Jan 2014 #27
I enjoy the speed of the speech... nenagh Jan 2014 #29
+1 nt dorkzilla Jan 2014 #40
UMM, these idiots are EXTORTIONISTS!!! HOW STAH-OOPEED CAN YOU BE??!! Ecumenist Jan 2014 #4
This is the Federal crime malaise Jan 2014 #6
The Rockefeller family sold the Rockefeller Group to Mitsubishi years ago dorkzilla Jan 2014 #24
No need to reuse himself if he is no longer a shareholder in malaise Jan 2014 #28
Sure thing, malaise! dorkzilla Jan 2014 #31
To be truthful malaise Jan 2014 #33
Delish with a cherry on top!! dorkzilla Jan 2014 #39
If bridgegate hadn't grown legs and they had reached last Tuesday without an extended malaise Jan 2014 #42
I wonder just HOW FAR UP this ROT goes???!! Could the Cock brothers at the top?? Ecumenist Jan 2014 #5
It's a mess even without the Koch brothers malaise Jan 2014 #19
That's correct. Laxman Jan 2014 #21
I was responding to his first comment malaise Jan 2014 #30
Update? Sienna86 Jan 2014 #7
ohhhh, lots and lots and lots dorkzilla Jan 2014 #45
The 1% strikes again. Their pursuit of more Laurian Jan 2014 #8
After listening to everything that is coming out avebury Jan 2014 #9
+1,000 malaise Jan 2014 #10
Christ Christie, can you spell RICO? nt deminks Jan 2014 #11
Wow semby2 Jan 2014 #12
Yep he has been brought down to size malaise Jan 2014 #15
Welcome to DU malaise Jan 2014 #34
Wonder if it was a meeting with the Lt. Gov or a phone call, or email Whisp Jan 2014 #66
So of the millions of dollars in Sandy Relief, he's only given Hoboken about $347,000??? Incredible. txwhitedove Jan 2014 #13
Extortion is the word malaise Jan 2014 #17
This is a great story Gothmog Jan 2014 #14
Agree. She is very credible. avebury Jan 2014 #20
I Know Her... Laxman Jan 2014 #23
She come off as being a honest person Gothmog Jan 2014 #65
Here is a link to his story at MSNBC HereSince1628 Jan 2014 #16
Great link malaise Jan 2014 #18
governing by blackmail.... spanone Jan 2014 #22
The defense attorney on towards the end avebury Jan 2014 #25
Yep he was hilarious malaise Jan 2014 #32
It's another simple scandal that voters will understand. Bribery for hurricane relief. mucifer Jan 2014 #26
Christie's huge problem is that malaise Jan 2014 #35
I had to sleep in this am...anyone got the cliff notes? HipChick Jan 2014 #36
Check Here Since1628's post at #16 malaise Jan 2014 #38
Same here. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #46
Let's just move on. pangaia Jan 2014 #37
Can they scientifically prove that the mayor wrote in her diary around that time mucifer Jan 2014 #41
I hope so but I guess they can establish a pattern for her entries malaise Jan 2014 #44
I think testimony under oath will suffice. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #50
Seems enough to justify some search warrants HereSince1628 Jan 2014 #58
They can probably date the ink. polichick Jan 2014 #62
I think she noted time and place of meetings or phone calls. Bandit Jan 2014 #64
the documents that the NJ legislators are asking for go back to warrior1 Jan 2014 #43
Since Sandy was at end of Oct. 2012, it seems that's what they are going for. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #47
I thought the documents they are looking for are event specific mucifer Jan 2014 #48
Yes, but no telling what will get caught up in it. Hissyspit Jan 2014 #49
Follow the Federal Money malaise Jan 2014 #51
remember Whitewater and the "Starr chamber"? HereSince1628 Jan 2014 #53
I have it DVR'd so I can watch it over and over. Squinch Jan 2014 #52
Who knows what more will unfold by the time Rachel is on TV on Monday. mucifer Jan 2014 #54
I hope at some point they put this same labor into TPP so that there is a popular public record Squinch Jan 2014 #61
Real estate nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #55
Yep that's the big money along with the roads and bridges malaise Jan 2014 #59
I think it wouldn't matter so much if it wasn't about Sandy. mucifer Jan 2014 #60
what really amazes me warrior1 Jan 2014 #56
Arrogance and hubris usually bring them down malaise Jan 2014 #63
The web gets more tangled - great job on Steve's part! polichick Jan 2014 #57
Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer's Sandy allegations 'categorically false,' DCA official says malaise Jan 2014 #67
Hmm, I wonder who most people believe. polichick Jan 2014 #68

deminks

(11,014 posts)
1. Turn on UP, right effing now
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jan 2014

Christie adm used Sandy relief money to force a mayor to do his bidding.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
3. If you want that Sandy money that Rockefeller project needs to move forward
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:22 AM
Jan 2014

From the Lieutenant Governor - WTF???

House of Roberts

(5,171 posts)
2. Steve started out good.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jan 2014

Now he's just going faster and faster. Chris Hayes does this too. They get so excited they can't hold back.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. Irritating, isn't it?
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jan 2014

Ah, well, at least when we quote them, we don't get the 'benefit' of that rushed delivery.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
29. I enjoy the speed of the speech...
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jan 2014

relating to how fast his neural network communicates. I'm very impressed, but that's just my opinion.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
4. UMM, these idiots are EXTORTIONISTS!!! HOW STAH-OOPEED CAN YOU BE??!!
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:23 AM
Jan 2014

WOW, JUST WOW!! I've been calling Christie, CRISPIE FRIED CHRISTIE BUT BROTHAMAN is OVERCOOKED PAST DONE!!!

malaise

(269,010 posts)
6. This is the Federal crime
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:25 AM
Jan 2014

The thing is that Jay Rockefeller will have to recuse himself from that Senate Committee.
Samson - Christie - fugging criminals.

Dawn Zimmer coming up.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
24. The Rockefeller family sold the Rockefeller Group to Mitsubishi years ago
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jan 2014

I think back in the late-80's/early 90s. I don't think Senator Rockefeller has to recuse himself, although I'm sure people will say he should.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
39. Delish with a cherry on top!!
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jan 2014

The sheer arrogance of the Christie administration--that they thought they could steamroll over people and cities and due process (i.e., the planning committee) stinks to high heaven and I am SOOOOOOO happy to see all this come to light. Death by a thousand slashes, as it seems the more time passes, the more his victims come out of the closet to share their stories.

...of course, according to the Drunk Cheesedoodle of Washington, DC, we should "move on" from this post haste!

PASS THE POPCORN!!!


Yummmmmm!

malaise

(269,010 posts)
42. If bridgegate hadn't grown legs and they had reached last Tuesday without an extended
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jan 2014

investigation, he and his goons would have escaped.
Thanks Rachel, Steve and all the newspaper journalists.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
5. I wonder just HOW FAR UP this ROT goes???!! Could the Cock brothers at the top??
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:24 AM
Jan 2014

THIS IS INCESTUOUS! OH-EM-GEE...

malaise

(269,010 posts)
19. It's a mess even without the Koch brothers
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jan 2014

Seriously this is a great program today.Listen to this hack - political juice.

If Christie et al withheld federal Sandy money as a lever they committed a Federal crime.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
21. That's correct.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jan 2014

Michael Aron is a jerk. What he said about the Port Authority and its decline in its professionalism is right on however.

On another note: I've written before Sandy money, Sandy money, Sandy money.. more to come on that.

Finally, the Rockefeller Group. There is no doubt that if they were involved, political pressure from their attorneys was also involved.. Its how they do business. Usually, its not overtly stated as Mayor Zimmer indicated. But they are a national power (even have a global presence) in the development industry and have a large presence in NJ. The Rockefeller family does not own the Rockefeller Group. But they are one of the "development interests" that I've written about before who put Christie up to running in the first place. They are represented by...Wolff & Samson.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
30. I was responding to his first comment
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:24 AM
Jan 2014

but he got better as he went on - like you I thought his take on the Port Authority was more than useful. Across the globe the dissing of professionals by political appointees has weakened all institutions. Professionals are sick of watching really good services destroyed at the altar of political expediency at the same time these institutions are looted for personal or political party gain.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
8. The 1% strikes again. Their pursuit of more
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:27 AM
Jan 2014

and more money never stops, people in need be damned. Disgusting.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
9. After listening to everything that is coming out
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:28 AM
Jan 2014

on the Christie mafia, I would want to secretly tape any meeting I had with any member of his mafia family. It would be nice to have real undeniable proof of their shenanigans. It is really scary to think that Christie might ever become President.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
10. +1,000
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:29 AM
Jan 2014

Don't forget this was Federal money. They will demand chapter and verse of the way it is being allocated.

 

semby2

(246 posts)
12. Wow
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jan 2014

This is awesome stuff! We should cheer this mayor for going public with her story!

For those not watching, the Mayor of Hoboken wrote notes in her diary when the Lt. Governor personally (and privately) told her she wouldn't get Sandy money unless she approved a development deal. Blockbuster stuff!

People aren't afraid of Christie anymore. They'll be coming out of the woodwork to give us the dirt on him!

malaise

(269,010 posts)
15. Yep he has been brought down to size
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jan 2014

Stick a fork in him - abuse of power is as clear as day.
You have the ad; you have bridgegate and now you have this.
Stick a fork in the bully.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
34. Welcome to DU
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:28 AM
Jan 2014

I forgot to write that in the first response

Melissa Harris-Perry says she has something new as well.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
66. Wonder if it was a meeting with the Lt. Gov or a phone call, or email
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:16 PM
Jan 2014

If it was a meeting, his calendar should have that recorded.
If it was a phone call - hey, NSA do your stuff!
If it was email I think that would be easiest to find.

I haven't watched the show but would love to know of the type of communication.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
20. Agree. She is very credible.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:17 AM
Jan 2014

I hope the whole thing continues to grown and steam role Christie out of office (a long with the Lt. Governor who delivered the message to the Mayor of Hoboken, NJ).

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
23. I Know Her...
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jan 2014

She is honest, her administration is honest, her development director Stephen Marks is honest (which is important in these circumstances) and she has backbone. I thought that following Sandy she and some other NJ mayors were far too wide-eyed and adoring of Christie, but she was not alone. And, there was reason for that behavior. However, this was NEVER how things were done in NJ-until now. Access and connections for developers are par for the course. That's how business is done. Instruction to accommodate a particular developer or withholding vital benefits for not accommodating them (or the intimation that this would be done) is a whole other story. If Dawn Zimmer said this happened-this happened.

Gothmog

(145,278 posts)
65. She come off as being a honest person
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jan 2014

I think that you opinion of this mayor is accurate. I believe this mayor over Christie

avebury

(10,952 posts)
25. The defense attorney on towards the end
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jan 2014

was pretty funny.

What is to keep people from deleting their emails?

Well if they want to spend a good amount of time in Danbury.

I tell my clients that e in e-mail stands for evidence.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
35. Christie's huge problem is that
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jan 2014

people are finally pulling together all his threads. The fact that so many ReTHUGs hate his guts (pardon the pun) makes this particularly troublesome for him.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
46. Same here.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jan 2014

Rachel was talking about this last night, and I just thought "There's no way I'm getting up at 8 a.m..."

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
37. Let's just move on.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jan 2014

No reason to bring charges for something that happened in the past.

OK, just so somebody doesn't get it and play wack-a- mole

mucifer

(23,545 posts)
41. Can they scientifically prove that the mayor wrote in her diary around that time
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:44 AM
Jan 2014

and that she didn't write it now? Because that would be so cool if they can prove this. Of course there might be some amazing emails from then that are floating around.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
44. I hope so but I guess they can establish a pattern for her entries
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jan 2014

Has she ever left blank spaces to fill in later?
Is it the same pen and so on?
She says she's willing to testify and to take a lie detector test.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
58. Seems enough to justify some search warrants
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jan 2014

maybe enough for seizures of public and private computers and public and private email records???

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
64. I think she noted time and place of meetings or phone calls.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jan 2014

It would be fairly simple to get phone records of a certain date or a witness for a certain meeting.. That is what will be important with the diary; DETAILS

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
43. the documents that the NJ legislators are asking for go back to
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:46 AM
Jan 2014

Sept. 2012, will this cover the issue Steve was talking about?

mucifer

(23,545 posts)
48. I thought the documents they are looking for are event specific
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:02 PM
Jan 2014

They were asking for documents about the GWB not Sandy.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
51. Follow the Federal Money
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jan 2014

What was it being used for - looks more like not endorsement but development projects.
The GWB bridge was just one of the vindictive acts. There is a clear pattern here.
Stick a fork in Christie.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
53. remember Whitewater and the "Starr chamber"?
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jan 2014

What started out as an investigation into corrupt real estate/banking/financing deal turned into an investigation into what the English word 'is' means relative to the meaning of sex with "that woman".

Corruption investigations seem to go wherever an investigator has the will and resources to steer them.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
52. I have it DVR'd so I can watch it over and over.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jan 2014

It's getting to be like beetles skittering away when you pick up a rock.

mucifer

(23,545 posts)
54. Who knows what more will unfold by the time Rachel is on TV on Monday.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jan 2014

Pretty exciting while we have such bad news about the TPP , NSA, net neutrality etc.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
61. I hope at some point they put this same labor into TPP so that there is a popular public record
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jan 2014

about it. I know that Ed is covering it, but I think Rachel has more gravitas.

Her ratings have shot up during the Christie coverage, but I hope as it dies down she gives space to TPP and the chemical spill, etc.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
55. Real estate
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jan 2014

play to pay, I wish I was shocked. I hope he sees the inside of a court room, but, this is hardly surprising. It is that quality of politics akin to water being wet.

Anybody who covers enough local politics will quickly realize everything is really about real estate and who controls it.

But I can dream of an impeachment over high crimes and a longish prison time. He got caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
59. Yep that's the big money along with the roads and bridges
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jan 2014

The problem here is that they may have used Federal Sandy money to get their projects which is extortion.

mucifer

(23,545 posts)
60. I think it wouldn't matter so much if it wasn't about Sandy.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jan 2014

People saw the human suffering and the way Christie played it.

If it was something else, it might not matter so much.

It's just way too ugly and way too obvious.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
56. what really amazes me
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jan 2014

is they didn't think for one moment that they would get caught?

I think that this makes it sweeter.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
63. Arrogance and hubris usually bring them down
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jan 2014

They get careless and think everyone is afraid of them.

malaise

(269,010 posts)
67. Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer's Sandy allegations 'categorically false,' DCA official says
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/dca_official_accuses_zimmer_of_lying_about_sandy_allegations.html
<snip>
Hours after Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer accused the Christie administration of withholding Hurricane Sandy relief funds until she approved a development project in the Hudson county city, officials from the agency that distributed the money flatly denied the allegations.

"Mayor Zimmer's allegation that on May 16, 2013 - in front of a live auditorium audience - (Department of Community Affairs) Commissioner (Richard) Constable conditioned Hoboken's receipt of Sandy aid on her moving forward with a development project is categorically false," DCA spokeswoman Lisa Ryan in an interview.
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