Did Obama's Talk on Reforming NSA Satisfy You

[Purveyor]

Obama gave a speech today on reforming NSA.

Were you satisfied with what he said and proposed?
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[MineralMan]

1. Nothing is uniformly satisfying.

Especially government announcements of things. It's always a mix, as it was in this case.

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. agree MM

some just cannot live with "grey areas". Everything MUST be laid out in black and white for them...

[Wilms]

10. By saying "grey areas" do you mean to say...

"STFU, we're in charge!"?

Just askin'.

[VanillaRhapsody]

14. Did I say that?

thank you for not putting your words into my mouth....

[Wilms]

16. As I remarked.

Just askin'.

[VanillaRhapsody]

18. You got my answer...

[Purveyor]

21. "MUST be laid out in black and white for them..." Yes it is 'laid out in black and white' on a

piece of paper call the Constitution.

I'm starting to think this administration regards the Constitution much like the previous admin did, "just a goddamned piece of paper".

[VanillaRhapsody]

23. Yep just as expected....

[Purveyor]

24. I try not to disappoint.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. You won't....the bar is pretty low for ya...

[Purveyor]

27. Considering the crowd, not surprised.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. Democrats?

[Purveyor]

31. Establishment ones, of course.

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. you do realize that the Teabaggers are at war with the "Establishment" Republicans right?

I am not a fan of the Blue Dogs...but fortunately the last election ....the Tea Party took half of them out...that was actually a boon for our side...but the thing is...this problem with "establishment" Democrats you rebuke is....you are going to need them next November...unless of course you think you can change enough minds to the far left in time before another 2010 happens...'cause believe me...the Republicans are going to be fired up again to do a referendum on Obama in the Midterms...

[B2G]

2. Rand Paul was right on this one

I don't give a shit who holds the data. Quit fucking collecting it!

[MineralMan]

4. Rand Paul again?

Fuck Rand Paul. Is there nobody else you can cite? Surely there is.

[VanillaRhapsody]

15. Yeah...fuck Rand Paul sideways....repeatedly...

I find it funny how many seem to sidle up to him...

[geek tragedy]

6. you couldn't find anyone but Rand Paul who shared your opinion? nt

[B2G]

8. I'm sure I could, but

that's the one I read today. I've been a tich busy.

[bullwinkle428]

17. I'll personally go with Charles Pierce : "Today President Obama asked

everyone to give some civil liberties up"

"The president's big speech on the NSA today was an extended exercise in running in place. The one thing it was not was an ability to strike a "balance" between the current surveillance state and civil liberties "concerns." (You will note that the Bill of Rights is now apparently a Bill of Concerns.) There is very little question that the former is being asked to give up very little of its power -- I decline to feel comforted by the fact that intelligence agencies have to submit requests to a secret court -- while the latter are being asked to adjust their expectations to the reality of new and gathering threats."

Throughout this evolution, we benefited from both our Constitution and our traditions of limited government. U.S. intelligence agencies were anchored in a system of checks and balances, with oversight from elected leaders and protections for ordinary citizens.

"Balls. COINTELPRO. CISPES. The McCarran Act. The Plumbers. Mossadegh. Arbenz. The "U.S. intelligence agencies" were anchored in nothing but their own arrogance. The president should be ashamed to base his arguments in such plainly ahistorical balderdash."


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[ProSense]

11. He's a co-sponsor of Wyden's bill, which overlaps several of the President's proposals.

He's a grandstanding asshole.

Udall, Wyden, Heinrich Statement Reacting to President's Speech on NSA, Surveillance Reform
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024347077

[grasswire]

5. If Wyden and ACLU aren't fully satisfied, neither am I.

And they aren't. So I'm not.

[geek tragedy]

7. No one should be satisfied by a speech, or a promise to do anything, or

even a few initial reforms.

In fact, no one should be complacent, ever.

[Fumesucker]

9. My ~neighbor~ is smoking a cigarette

Now that's satisfaction.

[randome]

12. Sure, if you're into fumes.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[Fumesucker]

13. I'm into fumes big time

Try riding behind something like this and you'll be into them too..

[Rex]

19. Well that makes the authoritarians look like the crazy fringe.

Funny how NONE of them voted yes! I wonder why!?

[Purveyor]

22. It is curious indeed unless I'm on all of their 'ignore lists'. Here is to hoping!

[JoePhilly]

33. This "authoritarian" voted "no".

I'm accused of that on DU all the time, and I said "no".

It had a few things I liked but not enough specifics.

And while I think it puts pressure on Congress to step up (rather than bluster), I don't expect either side of Congress to be able to do that.

[Johonny]

20. Well there's talk and then there's action

At the very least shouldn't you wait to be satisfied until his talk becomes and action?

[Purveyor]

26. Interesting results so far, indeed.

[RKP5637]

28. I haven't had a chance to watch it ... n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

30. I did not hear the speech

But, I doubt it would satisfy me at all.