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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:31 AM Jan 2014

Mystery Rock 'Appears' in Front of Mars Rover





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After a decade of exploring the Martian surface, the scientists overseeing veteran rover Opportunity thought they’d seen it all. That was until a rock mysteriously “appeared” a few feet in front of the six wheeled rover a few days ago.

News of the errant rock was announced by NASA Mars Exploration Rover lead scientist Steve Squyres of Cornell University at a special NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory “10 years of roving Mars” event at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), Pasadena, Calif., on Thursday night. The science star-studded public event was held in celebration of the decade since twin rovers Spirit and Opportunity landed on the red planet in January 2004.


While chronicling the scientific discoveries made by both rovers over the years, Squyres discussed the recent finding of suspected gypsum near the rim of Endeavour Crater — a region of Meridiani Planum that Opportunity has been studying since 2011 — and the discovery of clays that likely formed in a pH-neutral wet environment in Mars past. While these discoveries have been nothing short of groundbreaking, Squyres shared the Mars rover’s team’s excitement for that one strange rock, exclaiming: “Mars keeps throwing new stuff at us!”


http://news.discovery.com/space/mystery-rock-appears-in-front-of-mars-rover-140117.htm



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Mystery Rock 'Appears' in Front of Mars Rover (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Jan 2014 OP
LOLOL!!!! greytdemocrat Jan 2014 #1
That's a bioraptor nest Dash87 Jan 2014 #2
Yep shenmue Jan 2014 #5
A rock or cosmic poop? Rex Jan 2014 #3
I first thought it was Ichingcarpenter Jan 2014 #6
This guy has a rendering of what he thinks it is Rex Jan 2014 #10
Gorginak! Gorginak! Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #4
Obviously it's a gift from Martians TlalocW Jan 2014 #7
Winner! TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #31
Okay, I'm ready for some serious theories about what that might be theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #8
Looks like a gap has formed to me. dawg Jan 2014 #9
There are definitely matching marks before and after... HereSince1628 Jan 2014 #16
Yes, that's along the lines of what I was thinking theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #18
Shadow play? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #22
The sun angle has changed and the shadows are larger and more distinct in the right photo FarCenter Jan 2014 #17
Well, we could go with what the scientists think jeff47 Jan 2014 #24
Wait until Rover can flip it over . . . ConcernedCanuk Jan 2014 #11
........... trusty elf Jan 2014 #12
Raw Photo Data from JPL nasa link Ichingcarpenter Jan 2014 #13
Those rock creatures from apollo 18 have moved Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #14
I made the mistake of trying to watch that movie once Baclava Jan 2014 #25
Lol it was bad I couldn't believe that got made Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #27
No, it was too bad for even MST3000. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #37
It's a mushroom. Don't eat Martian mushrooms. hunter Jan 2014 #15
Maybe the Rover has glaucoma in one eye. randome Jan 2014 #19
From Discovery News... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #20
TiddlyWinks kristopher Jan 2014 #29
I like this ^ yesphan Jan 2014 #32
Some possible explanations... SidDithers Jan 2014 #21
Just a different angle... kentuck Jan 2014 #23
The picture he showed last night was color and the rock is white. Kablooie Jan 2014 #26
Alien guy knows. longship Jan 2014 #28
Wind perhaps. yesphan Jan 2014 #30
are you kidding, those embedded rocks in the background are CLEARLY paving stones. yodermon Jan 2014 #33
I think it might be just a different angle of light casting shadows librechik Jan 2014 #34
Could be some type of frost? sylvanus Jan 2014 #35
Martian poop? liberal N proud Jan 2014 #36
Litter? GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #38

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
6. I first thought it was
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jan 2014

a piece of the rover, but looking more at the rover, I can't see it......

I'll stick to the martians leaving behind part of their photographic nomenclature just to mind fuck NASA.....LOL

TlalocW

(15,384 posts)
7. Obviously it's a gift from Martians
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:49 AM
Jan 2014

They've had years to observe the rovers, and they've seen how interested it is in rocks so they're trying to be friendly.

TlalocW

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
8. Okay, I'm ready for some serious theories about what that might be
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:50 AM
Jan 2014

Comparing the two photos, it does appear that in the first photo there is an oddly shaped depression exactly where the rock appears in photo #2, and that the outlines of the depression are similar to the shape of the rock. I have no idea what that might mean, if anything. Perhaps some geologists could weigh in here?

dawg

(10,624 posts)
9. Looks like a gap has formed to me.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jan 2014

I don't see a rock. I see a fissure along the lines of the depression you note in the original photo.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
16. There are definitely matching marks before and after...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jan 2014

the most obvious to me is the 'arrow point' on the 'new object'. As I looked around after that I saw a handful of other features that were present before and also present on the new object.

If this was on my patio I'd be thinking frost heave.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
18. Yes, that's along the lines of what I was thinking
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:33 AM
Jan 2014

Like you and the poster before you, I think the outline of the "depression" and the rock are so close as to think this is simply some kind of natural process at work.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
22. Shadow play?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jan 2014

Do you mean what appears to be a rock is actually a depression and its the play of the light that's creating an illusion of a three dimensional object?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
17. The sun angle has changed and the shadows are larger and more distinct in the right photo
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jan 2014

Look carefully at the "pebbles" on the white surface on the left of both pictures.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. Well, we could go with what the scientists think
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:58 AM
Jan 2014
Stuart Atkinson, who writes the blog "Road to Endeavour," about Opportunity's exploits as it explores the rim of the Martian crater Endeavour, offered four theories in a Jan. 12 post:

1. It's a meteorite that fell from the sky and landed next to the rover. Atkinson admits that's a long shot, even longer than Opportunity's "cosmic hole-in-one" landing in Mars' Eagle crater on Jan. 25, 2004.

2. It's a piece of Martian rock that was blown out of the ground by a meteoroid impact and landed next to the rover. Still unlikely, he said.

3. The rock previously got stuck in a rover wheel and finally fell out in this spot. Very possible, according to Atkinson.

4. It rolled down a slope from somewhere higher up. "That's the least crazy but also the most boring idea," Atkinson wrote.


Keep in mind many days passed between those two pictures. The rover was in "low power" mode for winter.
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
25. I made the mistake of trying to watch that movie once
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jan 2014

It was soooooo horrible

Mystery Science Theater 3000 inductee

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. Maybe the Rover has glaucoma in one eye.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jan 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
20. From Discovery News...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jan 2014
In a comparison of recent photographs captured by the rover’s panoramic camera, or Pancam, on sol 3528 of the mission, only bare bedrock can be seen. But on sol 3540, a fist-sized rock had appeared (raw Pancam images can be found in the mission archive). MER scientists promptly nicknamed the object “Pinnacle Island.”

“It’s about the size of a jelly doughnut,” Squyres told Discovery News. “It was a total surprise, we were like ‘wait a second, that wasn’t there before, it can’t be right. Oh my god! It wasn’t there before!’ We were absolutely startled.”

But the rover didn’t roll over that area, so where did Pinnacle Island come from?

Only two options have so far been identified as the rock’s source: 1) The rover either “flipped” the object as it maneuvered or, 2) it landed there, right in front of the rover, after a nearby meteorite impact event. The impact ejecta theory, however, is the least likely of the two.

“So my best guess for this rock … is that it’s something that was nearby,” said Squyres. “I must stress that I’m guessing now, but I think it happened when the rover did a turn in place a meter or two from where this rock now lies.”

...snip...

http://news.discovery.com/space/mystery-rock-appears-in-front-of-mars-rover-140117.htm



The next few paragraphs of that article are essential to this discussion but I've left them out due to Discovery copyright. It includes Steven Squyres explanation of how he thinks the rock got where it is now.

“It obligingly turned upside down, so we’re seeing a side that hasn’t seen the Martian atmosphere in billions of years and there it is for us to investigate. It’s just a stroke of luck,” he said.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
29. TiddlyWinks
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jan 2014

TiddlyWinks with the rock from the edge of the tire.







Caring for Curiosity

NASA's Curiosity rover is as big as a compact car and weighs a ton ... and it's on Mars. Here's where the journey began. A white-room team works on the six-wheeled spacecraft on Aug. 13, 2011, at the Payload Hazardous Servicing Facility at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. (NASA via Getty Images)

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
21. Some possible explanations...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jan 2014
Stuart Atkinson, who writes the blog "Road to Endeavour," about Opportunity's exploits as it explores the rim of the Martian crater Endeavour, offered four theories in a Jan. 12 post:

1. It's a meteorite that fell from the sky and landed next to the rover. Atkinson admits that's a long shot, even longer than Opportunity's "cosmic hole-in-one" landing in Mars' Eagle crater on Jan. 25, 2004.

2. It's a piece of Martian rock that was blown out of the ground by a meteoroid impact and landed next to the rover. Still unlikely, he said.

3. The rock previously got stuck in a rover wheel and finally fell out in this spot. Very possible, according to Atkinson.

4. It rolled down a slope from somewhere higher up. "That's the least crazy but also the most boring idea," Atkinson wrote.


http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/What-s-that-New-rock-in-Mars-rover-photos-5149669.php

Sid

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
26. The picture he showed last night was color and the rock is white.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jan 2014

Against the red Mars soil.

The official term for this object, he said, is "jelly donut".
It has a different material inside from the rim.

yesphan

(1,588 posts)
30. Wind perhaps.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jan 2014

If you look closely at the gravely area below the rock with the "new " rock on it, you can see several differences from the "before" photo.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
33. are you kidding, those embedded rocks in the background are CLEARLY paving stones.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jan 2014

Clearly.
Paging Richard Hoagland..

librechik

(30,674 posts)
34. I think it might be just a different angle of light casting shadows
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jan 2014

on the little bit of flatter looking rock in pic 1. If you look close the anomalous rock repeats the basic shape of the flat bump.

There are tons of mind-blowing anomalies on Mars. This isn't one of them. They don't want the real ones to show in the media. This will make people feel good debunking.

 

sylvanus

(122 posts)
35. Could be some type of frost?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:53 PM
Jan 2014

Gas or liquid of some type pushes up thru porous rock,
then freezes up. Maybe?

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