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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:43 PM Jan 2014

"Aides Said Obama Was Surprised to Learn After Snowden Leaks Just How Far the Surveillance Had Gone"

@EdFelten: "aides said Mr. Obama was surprised to learn after leaks by (Snowden) just how far the surveillance had gone" http://t.co/LEXrQZHoTa

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/us/obamas-path-from-critic-to-defender-of-spying.html

Obama’s Path From Critic to Overseer of Spying

By PETER BAKER
January 15, 2014

WASHINGTON — As a young lawmaker defining himself as a presidential candidate, Barack Obama visited a center for scholars in August 2007 to give a speech on terrorism. He described a surveillance state run amok and vowed to rein it in. “That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens,” he declared. “No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime.”

More than six years later, the onetime constitutional lawyer is now the commander in chief presiding over a surveillance state that some of his own advisers think has once again gotten out of control. On Friday, he will give another speech, this time at the Justice Department defending government spying even as he adjusts it to address a wave of public concern over civil liberties.

The journey between those two speeches reflects the transition from the backbench of the United States Senate to the chair behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office. Like other presidents before him, the idealistic candidate skeptical of government power found that the tricky trade-offs of national security issues look different to the person charged with using that power to ensure public safety.

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At the same time, aides said Mr. Obama was surprised to learn after leaks by Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor, just how far the surveillance had gone. “Things seem to have grown at the N.S.A.,” Mr. Plouffe said, citing specifically the tapping of foreign leaders’ telephones. “I think it was disturbing to most people, and I think he found it disturbing.”

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"Aides Said Obama Was Surprised to Learn After Snowden Leaks Just How Far the Surveillance Had Gone" (Original Post) Hissyspit Jan 2014 OP
It's the DOMESTIC wiretaps, data gathering and surveillance of US Citizens, stupid! KeepItReal Jan 2014 #1
LOL MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #2
Well, either strong support hootinholler Jan 2014 #5
So he learned something new? n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #3
So ... that's what he's going to go with? 1000words Jan 2014 #4
Right. GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #7
Are we still pretending that the prez - any prez - is in charge? polichick Jan 2014 #6
How naive is President Obama? GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #8
Maybe that is where this is coming from. Puglover Jan 2014 #9
Alrighty then. Solly Mack Jan 2014 #10
AP Source: NSA phone data control to come to end ProSense Jan 2014 #11

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
1. It's the DOMESTIC wiretaps, data gathering and surveillance of US Citizens, stupid!
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jan 2014

When the phase "warrantless wiretaps" was invented, I knew we were in trouble.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. LOL
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:53 PM
Jan 2014

Obama didn't penalize Clapper nor Starship Cmdr. Alexander despite lying to Congress and extraordinary incompetence, respectively. That would indicate strong support for their work.

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