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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:28 PM Jan 2014

The Golden Globes' Race Problem



We were there. We are always there, whether our nominations are sparse or relatively plentiful. Last night, nods for people of color at the Golden Globes were the latter, with Chiwetel Ejiofor nominated in two categories, his “12 Years a Slave” costar Lupita Nyong’o and director Steve McQueen also in the running, Don Cheadle up for his lead role in Showtime’s “House of Lies,” and Idris Elba nominated for playing Nelson Mandela. As is the case when more than one or two of us are gathered in the name of Hollywood’s top honors, black viewers were also planted in front of their TVs at home and logged into their Twitter accounts, waiting to see if the winds of change were favorable.

We didn’t have to wait long. Lupita Nyong’o’s category was the first of the night. When she didn’t win best supporting actress in a motion picture for her gut-wrenching turn as Patsey, it should’ve been clear how the rest of the night would progress. But we watched and tweeted on, through Cheadle’s and Elba’s losses (which came as little surprise, given their competition). We shrugged off Ejiofor’s snub for “Dancing on the Edge” — even he looked unsurprised by that one — and we waited to hear his name called again, this time for playing the role of his career: Solomon Northup.

He lost. Adding insult to injury, he lost to Matthew McConaughey who, though he did great work in “Dallas Buyers Club,” is no Chiwetel Ejiofor, even on his best day — and especially not when he’s competing against Ejiofor’s work in “12 Years a Slave.”

Not every person of color approaches Hollywood’s awards season with an eye toward race, but it can be difficult not to when Hollywood and pop culture media most certainly use a racial lens to peer out at non-white audiences. Much was made of USA Today’s “race-themed” headline gaffe a few months ago, but it underscored the truth of the marketing matter: “race” is still a conflating category in Hollywood. Across genre and regardless of quality, if a film has more than one actor of color in a lead role, it becomes a “race film” — which is to say that it’s solely marketed to people who were once only allowed to sit in the decaying balconies of America’s movie houses.

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/14/the_golden_globes_race_problem_why_awards_shows_matter/
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The Golden Globes' Race Problem (Original Post) Redfairen Jan 2014 OP
Interesting how the collage is incomplete. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #1
It is discussed in the piece. It helps if you read it to the end. kwassa Jan 2014 #5
Yep. Left until the very last paragraph. And the photo excluded from the collage. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #7
The author's agenda is obvious and public. This is an OPINION piece. kwassa Jan 2014 #11
What's yours? nt NoGOPZone Jan 2014 #34
To honor Steve McQueen for his achievement (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #35
perhaps then NoGOPZone Jan 2014 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author NoGOPZone Jan 2014 #36
Wouldn't fit Salon's racism claims if they included that picture LittleBlue Jan 2014 #13
What is dumb about this opinion piece? kwassa Jan 2014 #14
Yes because 1 Black man is comparable to 14 White counterparts. Amazing...really Amazing. n/t vaberella Jan 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #31
hey, v. I think the author absolutely has a point, but statistically- cali Jan 2014 #59
The collage is accurately captioned as being the winners of acting awards. fishwax Jan 2014 #27
it isn't incomplete. Those are the winners of acting awards. fishwax Jan 2014 #26
So the theory is that the voters are racist when voting for the acting awards, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #28
I'm not sure where you get that idea from. fishwax Jan 2014 #29
Also, Alfonso Cuaron won for director. McQueen didn't win an individual award fishwax Jan 2014 #47
Ooh, 1 nonwhite face !!!! marmar Jan 2014 #39
So anytime awards are handed out, every racial group should be represented Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #42
In a just world, that would happen naturally. marmar Jan 2014 #43
In every single awards show, every year? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #44
Actually how do you compare sports to acting. vaberella Jan 2014 #46
Is it your position that Hollywood in general has treated African American artists merrily Jan 2014 #55
His position is to deny racism and claim reverse racism at every opportunity. morningfog Jan 2014 #61
If so, he is far from alone, even on this board. merrily Jan 2014 #63
Wow. You are unbelievable. Fucking unbelievable. morningfog Jan 2014 #52
Deleted by author. Other posters already made the point. merrily Jan 2014 #54
I think if they had included one African-American in the collage, the point would be stronger. morningfog Jan 2014 #62
Hollywoodland is still very pale....but the Golden Globes are coming from the perspective of the MADem Jan 2014 #2
FFS - is Kanye West writing for Salon now? exerpt: kelly1mm Jan 2014 #3
im'a let you finish... but i need to see 12 Years, i hear it's very powerful. dionysus Jan 2014 #17
Alas, I have not seen it yet either (nor have I seen Dallas Buyers Club)nt kelly1mm Jan 2014 #20
You need to make time this weekend, dionysus, and go see that movie. It is powerful! POWERFUL! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #22
after payday, i think i shall! dionysus Jan 2014 #23
It's an opinion piece, so the author's opinions are the point of the piece. merrily Jan 2014 #57
I thought they only gave them to golden people. NCLefty Jan 2014 #4
"Hollywood" does not vote for the Golden Globes ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #6
Chiwetel Ejiofor should have won best actor, imo RainDog Jan 2014 #8
Agreed. And Lupita Nyong should have won. Hands down. Many people are upset about that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #21
Agreed. She was also great RainDog Jan 2014 #48
Dang. Looks like a Republican convention. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #9
Don Cheadle won last years Golden Globe for House of Lies SummerSnow Jan 2014 #10
Why do they have FIVE FUCKING shows to give out the same FUCKING "honors"????? madinmaryland Jan 2014 #12
Hollywood? The winners are chosen by The Foreign Press. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #15
I wonder if the author actually watched any of those shows NV Whino Jan 2014 #16
Breaking Bad was a throwaway because it ended. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #30
I did love it NV Whino Jan 2014 #38
I think Breaking Bad was outstanding RainDog Jan 2014 #49
I watched the original House of Cards, too. NV Whino Jan 2014 #50
I may have to give it another try RainDog Jan 2014 #64
Who does this person think votes for the Golden Globe awards? cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #18
Regardless of who votes, more people of color need to win US awards more often, IMO. merrily Jan 2014 #58
Lupita Nyong should have won that award. Period! She had be bawling in the theater. She was amazing! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #19
Weak. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #24
Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #32
Are you trying to say that African Americans should have won becaue... they are African American? question everything Jan 2014 #33
I read the article in its entirety Harmony Blue Jan 2014 #40
Matthew McConaughey? gollygee Jan 2014 #41
not really odd. he's this year's "it" actor- for whatever reason cali Jan 2014 #60
It is a real problem. The process works against minorities at every step of the process. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #45
I noticed. cilla4progress Jan 2014 #51
I am rooting for Chiwetel to win the Oscar Skittles Jan 2014 #53
Usually, the problem starts with casting and proceeds from there. merrily Jan 2014 #56

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
5. It is discussed in the piece. It helps if you read it to the end.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jan 2014
black consumers make 195 million trips to the movies annually. What we see, how we connect to it, and how that connection is acknowledged matters to us. As great as it would be to be able to ignore the import of mainstream validation, we can’t and we shouldn’t. In a year like this, when the front-running films featuring black actors are based on real people and events, we should feel fully justified in wanting these powerful dramatizations to be revered. Award wins are one way to affirm that we’ve told our stories to someone other than ourselves, to someone who would not have otherwise known them, to someone who may have been loath to acknowledge that they happened.

For those of us who weathered last night’s losses long enough to witness “12 Years a Slave’s” big win for best picture, that affirmation came just in time.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. Yep. Left until the very last paragraph. And the photo excluded from the collage.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jan 2014

Gee, I wonder what the author's agenda was here.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
11. The author's agenda is obvious and public. This is an OPINION piece.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:04 PM
Jan 2014

She is hiding nothing. You act as if she is.

She is an writer who would like to see more mainstream awards for non-white actors in a year that has featured exceptional roles for black actors, in an industry that rarely has them.

As the writer of this piece, she doesn't get to choose the pictures, or the headline, either. That is usually up to the editors.

Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #34)

Response to vaberella (Reply #25)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
59. hey, v. I think the author absolutely has a point, but statistically-
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:16 AM
Jan 2014

1 in 14 isn't that shocking. What about Latinos? Or Asian Americans?

Honestly, I'm not convinced that this kind of article spells out anything definitive,

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
26. it isn't incomplete. Those are the winners of acting awards.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:30 AM
Jan 2014

It even says so in the caption at the article.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
28. So the theory is that the voters are racist when voting for the acting awards,
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jan 2014

but not for the other awards such as directors?

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
47. Also, Alfonso Cuaron won for director. McQueen didn't win an individual award
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jan 2014

So it wouldn't make much sense to include him in the collage.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
42. So anytime awards are handed out, every racial group should be represented
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jan 2014

according to its percentage in the general population? Is that what MLK was hoping for?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
44. In every single awards show, every year?
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jan 2014

And how about sports teams? Baseball, hockey, football, basketball? When their racial makeup does not reflect that of the general population is that evidence of racism?

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
46. Actually how do you compare sports to acting.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jan 2014

Sports are based on region and having a certain skill in a sport. For instance is it racist that most Hockey players are not Black or Hispanic...most of those guys are living in a cultural dominant area. Same for the reason many speed skaters are not Black. While the field of acting is massively broad.

The reason I don't compare it to acting is because there are shows that are made up predominantly of Hispanics that are not listed or recognized by the Emmy's or Actor's Guild and that are produced and aired in America and in English. Many Black tv shows have been systematically shunned and ignored from these same major organizations. When it comes to Foreign films it rare to see an African movie ever chosen as Best Foreign film or recognition to Hispanic and Black directors. Which there are many of. Majority of those recognitions are going towards the pale side of yellow.

My point is this the genre of acting and Hollywood in general is actually a massive and broad group that is not wholly unrecognized on a regular basis.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. Is it your position that Hollywood in general has treated African American artists
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:22 AM
Jan 2014

fairly, as a general rule?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
63. If so, he is far from alone, even on this board.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jan 2014

Very small point, but I don't consider anything "reverse racism.". Either something is racist or it isn't. JMO.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
52. Wow. You are unbelievable. Fucking unbelievable.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jan 2014

Never seen a race issue you are all to happy to shit on. You and your white privilege strike again.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Hollywoodland is still very pale....but the Golden Globes are coming from the perspective of the
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jan 2014

foreign press, so they've got that European bias still working.

Hell, they gave the lifetime achievement award to a child molester...what does one really expect?

kelly1mm

(4,733 posts)
3. FFS - is Kanye West writing for Salon now? exerpt:
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:50 PM
Jan 2014

"He lost. Adding insult to injury, he lost to Matthew McConaughey who, though he did great work in “Dallas Buyers Club,” is no Chiwetel Ejiofor, even on his best day — and especially not when he’s competing against Ejiofor’s work in “12 Years a Slave.”"

In the writers OPINION. Others may not agree, thus (the writer aledges) there MUST be racism at play.

The Salon writer was correct in describing systematic racism (even when leaving out the best drama recipient - wtf?).

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
22. You need to make time this weekend, dionysus, and go see that movie. It is powerful! POWERFUL!
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jan 2014

Probably the most powerful move I've ever seen. Seriously.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
57. It's an opinion piece, so the author's opinions are the point of the piece.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:29 AM
Jan 2014

And people draw conclusions based on their interpretations of reality.

You are certainly free to disagree with the author about McConaughey's performance versus Chiwetel Ejiofor's. (Do you disagree on that point, btw?) However, nothing is wrong with what the author wrote.

And, yes, the systemic bias evident in all kinds of award shows over decades is the overarching issue..

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
6. "Hollywood" does not vote for the Golden Globes
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jan 2014

That's the Oscars.

The least the author could do is get the focus on the right people, the Foreign Press....except, that doesn't fit the "America is bad" argument, does it?

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
8. Chiwetel Ejiofor should have won best actor, imo
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:59 PM
Jan 2014

I thought it was crazy, back in the day, when Spike Lee didn't win at Cannes for She's Gotta Have It instead of Soderberg. And I thought it was crazy that Malcolm X didn't win for best picture.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
48. Agreed. She was also great
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jan 2014

Both were powerful performances. People in the theater where I saw the movie clapped when it was over.

It's great, tho, that McQueen won the biggest award.

I don't really follow or care too much about awards, tho, because a lot of it has to do with insider stuff. Orson Welles never was acknowledged for his work, Alfred Hitchcock - lots of people who you would think would get recognition.

The films I think should win rarely do.

If you like more "non-mainstream" kind of narratives - did you ever see "To Sleep With Anger?" Charles Burnett. Danny Glover was amazing in that one.

Another one - even less conventional, as a narrative, is Julie Dash's "Daughters of the Dust." It's very poetic, and not so much about a plot as the lives of generations of Gullah women.

Everytime I think of TSsA, I think of this song from the soundtrack - the best version of this song, to me.



madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
12. Why do they have FIVE FUCKING shows to give out the same FUCKING "honors"?????
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jan 2014

Just seems really fucked up. Don't think I was ever make it through more than 5 or 6 minutes of one of those shows.


NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
16. I wonder if the author actually watched any of those shows
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:48 PM
Jan 2014

House of Cards?
Breaking Bad?
Top of the Lake?

Those are the few I watched, and have to agree about the awards. Spectacular performances, one and all.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
30. Breaking Bad was a throwaway because it ended.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:38 AM
Jan 2014

I was never impressed with that show. It's the "in" show to watch and say one loves. I simply didn't "love it."

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
49. I think Breaking Bad was outstanding
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jan 2014

The cinematography was filmic, not small screen. I watched it from the time it started.

Cranston deserved the award, to me, but I couldn't even get through House of Cards because I had seen the British version (via tapes at my library - the original and the 2nd sequel - never saw the third.) and it was just so good, I couldn't stand to watch the Americanized one.

did you see Borgen, about a Swedish woman who becomes the first pm? That was streaming via KCET, but I don't think it's available through them anymore. It's very good - but it's not amoral like House of Cards, but it was amazing to see what an actual liberal democracy looks like, with labor and feminist parties actually having representation - all the characters have their flaws, agendas, etc. It was 3 seasons long.

Orange is the New Black is also good - very funny - and also netflix generated.




NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
50. I watched the original House of Cards, too.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:04 AM
Jan 2014

Loved it as well. I do think the American version is brilliant... In it's American way. Apples and oranges and all that.

Haven't seen Borgen. Have seen Orange is the New Black. It took me a while to warm to that one, but I look forward to the next season.

I don't have cable service so I'm limited to Netflix and what my local library stocks.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
64. I may have to give it another try
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jan 2014

Borgen might show up on Netflix - I recommend looking for it if you like political drama - I don't have tv, either. Dropped cable long ago.

check out linkTV, online, for streaming programs - they also had Borgen up for two weeks at a time per episode.

I don't know if it's on netflix, but I also enjoyed a French series, Les Revenants, and I don't watch much "horror." Also Broadchurch - I think both of these are being remade, or have been, as American series - but I like to watch how different cultures tell their stories.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
18. Who does this person think votes for the Golden Globe awards?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:57 PM
Jan 2014

Yes, the Hollywood Foreign Press is perfectly representative of American culture, and what Hollywood studios think.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
58. Regardless of who votes, more people of color need to win US awards more often, IMO.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:32 AM
Jan 2014

I think that is the important point.

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

question everything

(47,488 posts)
33. Are you trying to say that African Americans should have won becaue... they are African American?
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 01:36 AM
Jan 2014

Personally, I think that the movie "Nebraska" and the two actors should have won. Bruce Dern is 77 and June Squibb is 84. Does this mean that seniors were excluded?

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
40. I read the article in its entirety
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:26 AM
Jan 2014

I did not find anything wrong with it. What I believe the author is trying to point out is that progress is still slow even in Hollywood but the author ended the article on a note to indicate the tide is changing but slowly.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
41. Matthew McConaughey?
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jan 2014

Over Chiwetel Ejiofor? That does seem odd. He was amazing, as was the actress who played Patsy.

People seem defensive over this op/ed piece. The point is that it seems to be harder for black actors and actresses to win awards like this. And if Matthew McConaughey beat Chiwetel Ejiofor, I have to agree.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
60. not really odd. he's this year's "it" actor- for whatever reason
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:19 AM
Jan 2014

adulation seems to be catching and adulation in waves, is drenching him.

Baitball Blogger

(46,744 posts)
45. It is a real problem. The process works against minorities at every step of the process.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jan 2014

Main roles that were meant for minorities, or people of darker complexion, can be given to people who are Caucasian. Katniss Everdeen is the most current example. Although I can't imagine anyone else playing the role, besides Jennifer Lawrence, the truth is that we are left with the false impression that there aren't that many talented minority actors out there to pick from.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. Usually, the problem starts with casting and proceeds from there.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:25 AM
Jan 2014

But, as the author of the Salon article pointed out, people of color were nominated this year, including people who did a fantastic job in an excellent film.

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