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ralps

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Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:00 PM Jan 2014

Mandatory Monday Malloy Truthseekers check in!! Fallujah & a new Kitteh gif



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Fallujah
Posted on January 13, 2014
Truthseekers, as we have discussed ad infinitum on the program, there is not ‘winning” in Afghanistan. Never in 5,000 years has Afghanistan been successfully invaded and subdued by an invading force, yet that didn’t stop the Bush Crime Family from boldly going where no man has won before, with little forethought or long-term planning about the 12+ year nightmare that followed.

Remember when Rummy told the press he anticipated being there days or weeks, certainly not months? Seems so long ago. Today that country is in chaos, with our latest in a series of ill-defined “missions” – to train the Afghan forces to defend their nation without us – a near-total failure. The recent fall of Fallujah to Taliban forces is a particularly disturbing blow to the servicemen and women who fought and died there. The NY Times has more:

Adam Banotai was a 21-year-old sergeant and squad leader in the Marine Corps during the 2004 invasion of Falluja, a restive insurgent-held city in Iraq. His unit — which had seven of 17 men wounded by shrapnel or bullets in the first days of the invasion — seized control of the government center early in the campaign.

So when Sunni insurgents, some with allegiances to Al Qaeda, retook the city this month and raised their black insurgent flag over buildings where he and his men fought, he was transfixed, disbelieving and appalled.

“I texted a couple of friends,” said Mr. Banotai, now a firefighter and registered nurse in Pennsylvania. “Everyone was in disbelief.”

“I don’t think anyone had the grand illusion that Falluja or Ramadi was going to turn into Disneyland, but none of us thought it was going to fall back to a jihadist insurgency,” he said. “It made me sick to my stomach to have that thrown in our face, everything we fought for so blatantly taken away.”

The bloody mission to wrest Falluja from insurgents in November 2004 meant more to the Marines than almost any other battle in the 12 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many consider it the corps’ biggest and most iconic fight since Vietnam, with nearly 100 Marines and soldiers killed in action and hundreds more wounded.

For many veterans of that battle — most now working in jobs long removed from combat — watching insurgents running roughshod through the streets they once fought to secure, often in brutal close-quarters combat, has shaken their faith in what their mission achieved.

Some now blame President Obama for not pushing harder to keep some troops in Iraq to maintain the stability. Others express anger at George W. Bush for getting them into a war that they now view as dubious in purpose and even more doubtful in its accomplishments. But either way, the fall of the city to insurgents has set off within the tight-knit community of active and former Marines a wrenching reassessment of a battle that in many ways defined their role in the war.

“This is just the beginning of the reckoning and accounting,” said Kael Weston, a former State Department political adviser who worked with the Marines for nearly three years in Falluja and the surrounding Anbar Province, and later with Marines in Afghanistan.

Mr. Weston, who is now writing a book but remains in close contact with scores of the men he served with, said Marines across the globe had been frenetically sharing their feelings about the new battle for Falluja via email, text and Facebook.

“The news went viral in the worst way,” he said. “This has been a gut punch to the morale of the Marine Corps and painful for a lot of families who are saying, ‘I thought my son died for a reason.’ “

Ryan Sparks was a platoon commander during a seven-month Falluja deployment in which three men were killed and 57 wounded in his 90-man unit. Now about to take a job in Manhattan after recently leaving the Marines, Mr. Sparks, 39, said many of the younger Falluja veterans are angry “because we lost so many Marines, and it feels like they were sacrificed for nothing.”

Yet even among older officers who seem less surprised by the turn of events, Mr. Sparks said, “It hurts to think that it isn’t as important to Americans as it was to us while it was happening.”

He likens Falluja to Khe Sanh, the bloody 1968 battle where Americans triumphed only to abandon the base months later, though he did not disagree with the 2011 troop pullout and does not believe that American troops should be sent back in.

“This makes the analogy complete,” he said.

Mr. Banotai has no regrets about supporting the war, and said it was a mistake for the United States to withdraw troops when it did, which he believes was done for political reasons, not because the mission was accomplished. But he also would not favor sending troops back. “It’s too late. Mistakes have already been made,” he said. “We can’t go back and rewrite history.”

Among the few things that kept 19-year-old Pfc. James Cathcart going during his second combat tour was flirting with female Marines who would come through his base in Falluja after their job searching Iraqi women at a nearby checkpoint. Yet that memory — of one woman in particular — haunts him: Mr. Cathcart’s platoon rushed to respond to an attack in June 2005 to find the truck ferrying the women to their base engulfed in flames from a car bomb.


“I wanted to get with that girl, and then the next day I was seeing pieces of her all over the side of the road,” said Mr. Cathcart, now 28, who says he was discharged with post-traumatic stress disorder and is now unemployed in Colorado.

He said that the fall of Falluja might finally bring home to the public what he says he and many comrades had long believed about the war. “Lives were wasted, and now everyone back home sees that,” he said. “It was irresponsible to send us over there with no plan, and now to just give it all away.”

Across the Marine Corps, officers are struggling to respond to calls from wounded veterans and parents of Marines killed in Anbar about recent events in Falluja.

“There is a rising drumbeat of anxiety/angst among our Marines concerning the state of Falluja/Ramadi today,” one senior active duty officer wrote as part of an email chain circulating among Marine officers discussing how to respond to the inquiries they were receiving from Marines and their families about Falluja. The officer cited what he called the Marines’ success in helping foster the Awakening movement — where local tribesmen turned against jihadists and partnered with American forces — and said that “without these victories, we might still be there today.”

The officer added: “What the Iraqi forces lost in the last month, four years after transition, is not a reflection of Marine efforts. If it is a reflection of anything, it is the nature of the Iraqi social fabric and long-suppressed civil discord.”

One of the last things Matthew Brown, a 20-year-old lance corporal when he was wounded the third day of the invasion, remembers about Falluja was seeing Mr. Banotai help load him into a vehicle. Given last rites because he lost so much blood after a sniper shot him in the leg, he awoke a week later at Bethesda Naval Hospital, and began the long process of learning to walk again, which he now does with a cane. Seeing pictures this week of insurgent-held Falluja, he said, was “nauseating.”

“It’s just like, wow, thanks for dragging up all these memories I tried to forget that were controlling my life,” said Mr. Brown, 29, who now lives in Fayetteville, N.C. “For a while I lived out of a bottle trying to shut the memories off.”

Though he would not send troops back, Mr. Weston, the former State Department official, said it was “almost immoral for us to say, ‘It’s all up to them now, we’re out of there.’ ” He noted that a man whom he had worked with in Falluja recently sent him an email describing the return of Abdullah al-Janabi, an insurgent leader before the Marines invaded.

“We are looking for help,” the man wrote on Jan. 1. Mr. Weston has not heard from his friend since Saturday.

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Mandatory Monday Malloy Truthseekers check in!! Fallujah & a new Kitteh gif (Original Post) ralps Jan 2014 OP
Checking In... Liberal_Dog Jan 2014 #1
Hi Liberal Dog and ralps!!! NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #2
Hi NYC_SKP! smokey nj Jan 2014 #8
Hi NYC_SKP! ralps Jan 2014 #9
Hi NYC_SKP Liberal_Dog Jan 2014 #11
Hi Liberal_Dog, You're 1st ralps Jan 2014 #4
Hi Liberal_Dog! smokey nj Jan 2014 #6
Here's tonight's LOL Kittehs ralps Jan 2014 #3
Thanks ralps! smokey nj Jan 2014 #12
Thanks smokey nj! I do too! ralps Jan 2014 #15
good evening, ralps, and thanks for the much-needed smiles (thank goodness I had finished eating) niyad Jan 2014 #26
Thanks niyad! & Crook & I say thanks & Hi. ralps Jan 2014 #32
Hi ralps and my fellow truthseekers! smokey nj Jan 2014 #5
Hi smokey nj!, Crook & I are doing good, How are you all doing? Hugs! ralps Jan 2014 #7
Hey ralps! smokey nj Jan 2014 #13
I sure will! & please give your kitties Lots of scritches & tummy rubs from me! ralps Jan 2014 #16
Will do, ralps! smokey nj Jan 2014 #17
Hi smokey nj Liberal_Dog Jan 2014 #10
Hey Liberal_Dog! smokey nj Jan 2014 #14
Did you mean to say Hi to me? ralps Jan 2014 #18
Sorry, ralps and Liberal_Dog! smokey nj Jan 2014 #19
That's ok smokey nj! ralps Jan 2014 #20
Remind me to tell you about the time I thought I saw a train on the Garden State Parkway. smokey nj Jan 2014 #23
There are people on DU who are basically saying, "Gee that's too bad, but he shouldn't have been smokey nj Jan 2014 #21
good evening, everyone. niyad Jan 2014 #22
niyad!!!!!! smokey nj Jan 2014 #24
thank you so much. it does indeed hurt so much. actually looked for him to greet me when I niyad Jan 2014 #27
.... smokey nj Jan 2014 #29
Hi niyad Liberal_Dog Jan 2014 #25
thank you so much. niyad Jan 2014 #28
Hi niyad! OH NO!!!!! Lots of Hugs to you all! ralps Jan 2014 #30
thank you so much niyad Jan 2014 #35
When you feel like it I hope you'll check out my favorite kitty rescue site ralps Jan 2014 #34
makes me want to cry, but not in a bad way. when I am able to, I will certainly be found by more niyad Jan 2014 #37
I'm sure more kittehs will find you!! & Elizabeth is a cutie! ralps Jan 2014 #39
Niyad!! Brigid Jan 2014 #44
thank you so much. niyad Jan 2014 #51
Good night truthseekers, have a great one tomorrow! smokey nj Jan 2014 #31
Good Night smokey nj, Have a great day tomorrow, Take Care & Keep It Lit!! ralps Jan 2014 #33
GREAT takes on the news by Mike tonight. alp227 Jan 2014 #36
Hi alp227, That kitteh is about to pounce on something! ralps Jan 2014 #40
Good evening Thruthseekers!! tnlefty Jan 2014 #38
Hi tnlefty, Crook & I are doing good, How are you all? Hugs! ralps Jan 2014 #41
Kick ralps Jan 2014 #42
Here's the Daily Kos post Mike was just talking about ralps Jan 2014 #43
Hi everyone! Brigid Jan 2014 #45
Hi Brigid! Yep!! ralps Jan 2014 #46
It's Uncle Mike's Story Corner! Got your Jammies on? ralps Jan 2014 #47
Kitty twerking. nt tblue37 Jan 2014 #48
Hi tblue37, welcome! maybe! ralps Jan 2014 #49
Good Night Everyone, Have a great day tomorrow, Take Care & Keep It Lit!! ralps Jan 2014 #50

niyad

(113,395 posts)
26. good evening, ralps, and thanks for the much-needed smiles (thank goodness I had finished eating)
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:15 PM
Jan 2014

give crook a big hug from me, and both of you have a wonderful and peaceful evening.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
13. Hey ralps!
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jan 2014

We're fine, thanks! Big s for you and my fuzzy buddy Crook! Please give him lots of ear scratches and tummy rubs from me and the NJ catz!

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
23. Remind me to tell you about the time I thought I saw a train on the Garden State Parkway.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jan 2014

I keep telling Mr. smokey that I think it's time to start looking into assisted living facilities for me.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
21. There are people on DU who are basically saying, "Gee that's too bad, but he shouldn't have been
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:12 PM
Jan 2014

texting."

niyad

(113,395 posts)
22. good evening, everyone.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jan 2014

give all your furkids a big hug from me tonight. for the first time in nearly 19 years, I am without a kitteh, as my last furry died yesterday morning. I keep expecting to find him on the back of my chair, looking over my shoulder to see what I am eating, or typing, or reading. I am going to miss having him curl up under the covers next to me at night, and being my alarm clock for breakfast. I am going to miss having him curled up on my chest while I am reading, and I am just plain going to miss him, as I still miss all my furbabies.

niyad

(113,395 posts)
27. thank you so much. it does indeed hurt so much. actually looked for him to greet me when I
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:20 PM
Jan 2014

came home today.

ralps

(77,738 posts)
34. When you feel like it I hope you'll check out my favorite kitty rescue site
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:39 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.purebredcatrescue.org PS I really want to adopt a kitty from them!

Here's one of their kitties-
&feature=youtu.be

niyad

(113,395 posts)
37. makes me want to cry, but not in a bad way. when I am able to, I will certainly be found by more
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:53 PM
Jan 2014

kittehs. that elizabeth is a darling. we have several rescue groups here (the one you linked to is too far away, so will check them out.

what is that saying, "cats leave pawprints on your heart" that is so very, very true.

tnlefty

(16,529 posts)
38. Good evening Thruthseekers!!
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jan 2014

Hoping that everyone is well!

I'm stuck on why the Gov. of NJ diverted Sandy relief funds to make ads..really over 2 million for ads that should have been spent for the people of NJ ....I got nothin.

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