This Pope Rocks

[lame54]

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/pope-frank-mothers-sistine-chapel-nurse-0

...Michelangelo's frescoes in the Sistine Chapel are some of the world's most celebrated works of art. The ceiling depicts the creation of man and the altar wall shows a severe God at the Last Judgment. But the pope told the mothers not to feel intimidated by the surroundings.

"If they are hungry, mothers, feed them, without thinking twice. Because they are the most important people here," he said, speaking in the same room where he was elected on March 13 as the first non-European pope in 1,300 years.

Francis said in an interview last month that mothers should not feel uncomfortable breastfeeding during his ceremonies.

In another apparent first in the Vatican, the parents of one of the babies, seven-month-old Giulia Scardia, at the ceremony were not married in a church, but only at a civil service in a town hall — meaning their marriage is technically not recognized by the Catholic Church. But the pope has said several times since his election that the Church must not make children of couples in irregular situations feel like second-class faithful, and he agreed to baptize Giulia Scardia into the faith.

- See more at: http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/pope-frank-mothers-sistine-chapel-nurse-0#sthash.mz51cKUk.dpuf

[Ohio Joe]

1. Wow... He is ok with breat feeding... That will make the mothers of molested children feel better

Not as much as if he would do something about the pedophile priests instead of continuing enabling them but I guess it's something...

IMO... It's fucking crazy that this asshole is celebrated on DU.

[Ellipsis]

8. Say it ain't so Joe... that's an ignorant statement

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/04/pope-francis-priests-vatican/4316775/

[Ohio Joe]

10. It's so Ellipsis... This pope is still hiding pedophile priests...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024315769

The guy is a monster himself.

[Ellipsis]

11. Vatican moves to try Polish archbishop Josef Wesolowski for abuse

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/vatican-moves-to-try-polish-archbishop-josef-wesolowski-for-abuse/story-fnb64oi6-1226800961540

[Ohio Joe]

17. "on trial by the Vatican" - They should turn the shit over to the police

Open up on everything they know instead of sweeping it under the rug and trying it 'in house'. A slap on the wrist is not taking care of anything.

[Ellipsis]

19. They are an internationally recognized independent state...

Why don't you let the Gendarmerie finish their job be for you criticize an outcome which has yet to happen.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. The man is a citizen of Poland and the alleged attacks took place in Dominica, what grouds are there

for having his 'trial' done by his employers at the Vatican? The rules for everyone else should apply to this man. There is no excuse for the interference by Francis and his fellow defenders of monsters.

[Ellipsis]

42. The Vatican doesn't extradite its citizens. Period.

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican has told Polish prosecutors that its former ambassador to the Dominican Republic, under investigation for alleged sex abuse, is covered by diplomatic immunity and that the Vatican doesn't extradite its citizens.


... and nice twist with the monsters line.

[Ohio Joe]

50. Are you shitting me?

What has the vatican done to earn even a shred of trust? This scam of an 'investigation' is just their newest way of protecting their own.

Fuck 'em and fuck anyone who is supporting this shit.

[Ellipsis]

51. Let me know when you pull some facts out of your ass... later.

[Ohio Joe]

52. The fact is, that the vatican and the pope are still protecting pedophiles

That is the fact.

[Ellipsis]

54. re·dun·dant

adjective \ri-ˈdən-dənt\

: repeating something else and therefore unnecessary.

[Ohio Joe]

56. De-nial

psychology : a condition in which someone will not admit that something sad, painful, etc., is true or real

[Ellipsis]

57. stub·born

1. having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, esp. in spite of good arguments or reasons to do so.

synonyms: obstinate, headstrong, willful, strong-willed, pigheaded, obdurate, difficult, contrary, perverse, recalcitrant, inflexible, iron-willed, uncompromising, unbending


but you did make laugh on the come back... lets just see where it goes you can beat me then.

[Ohio Joe]

62. This is not a game of one-ups-manship to me...

The church has a long history of protecting pedophile priests and a sham investigation of one of them is no reason to think any real change is happening... None of this is new. What is new, is the there are people here that are suddenly cheering on a new pope because he is giving some minor lip service to change.

It's wicked fucked up.

[Ellipsis]

66. I don't think it's lip service, not this time... and yea it has been wicked fucked up.

I'm well aware of the churches history and I have to say it's not just the catholic church that has a history... they do however have 1.2 billion members; united that many shoulders push a pretty big grindstone. There's a long diatribe that goes with that but it take me hours to flush out and now ain't the time.

This guy hasn't been in place for even a year... and there is a shitload of politics to deal with, "culture" to learn, and people under the radar to replace. Things don't change over night. Lets see what happens.

[Ohio Joe]

67. Politics? Culture? Bullshit

This whole 'Things don't change over night' is also a load of shit. The pope is the unquestioned leader until he dies and is infallible in matters of doctrine. He could change much of this shit with a word... A sham trial of one pedophile while still hiding others is nothing and it is not being done because of 'politics' or 'culture'... It's being done to try and protect the church and the hell with the victims... As it has always been, so it continues.

Even the faithful should be outraged at shit like the pope allowing breast feeding while he actively continues to hide pedophiles... It's an insult.

[Ohio Joe]

70. love the pope or 'fuck you'... With such followers who can be surprised he gets away with such shit

Gotta love the faithful

[Ellipsis]

71. I'm not a church goer, not even practicing catholic

this ain't McDonalds... You don't get instant gratification. If you can't examine salient points and attempt to even moderately digest them because you live inside of some bubble and you want to compare Francis to Torquemada... I stand by my retort.

[Ohio Joe]

74. Wow... Not even catholic and you defend pedophiles to the death

That is even more fucked up.

I hate to tell you but it is not me living in a bubble. Facts are facts... This pope has done nothing... Zero... Zilch... About pedophile priests and in FACT, he is STILL protecting them.

I would say those that are swayed to cheering him because he talks a good game are the ones in a bubble. I'm not looking for instant gratification, I just don't consider a pope who says one thing while doing the same old, same old, anything to be supported. I also have to wonder exactly what kind of fool thinks it is something to be supported.

[Ellipsis]

78. Nice strawman...you have no facts. ...just a stale talking point.

you have all the inside info so you must know. I'm sure your on the phone with the Vatican every day.

[Ohio Joe]

80. I gave you the evidence... You choose to ignore it

Here it is again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024315769

[sabrina 1]

75. Are you accusing this Pope of supporting Pedophiles? You must have some concrete evidence

to support such a serious allegation. Or, no, it could not be on a Democratic forum?? You are accusing anyone who is a Catholic of pedophilia because, while they themselves have never committed such a crime, they belong a 'group' that some pedophiles belonged to. There is a word for that, I assume you know what that word is.

[Ohio Joe]

77. Yes. This pope is supporting pedophiles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024315769

[sabrina 1]

84. Wow. 'The Pope is supporting pedophiles'. Thank YOU for proving me correct. Now for the facts.

Do you understand ANYTHING about the law. Eg, the US has extradition agreements with several countries, meaning if a country that HAS AN EXTRADITION AGREEMENT with the US makes a request of them, they will consider the request and most likely comply if the request appears to have merit.

US SUPPORTS TERRORISTS! Refuses Extradition of Accused Terrorist!

Do you have ANY idea of the idiocy of what this claim you just made?

Do you know how often the US refuses to extradite people even when there is clear evidence of guilt, because they do not have extradition agreements with the countries making the requests???



The US does NOT have extradition agreements with some countries, meaning that if such a country makes a request for extradition of someone accused of MURDER let's say, the US will most likely REFUSE to extradite that person.

By YOUR logic, the 'US SUPPORTS MURDERERS and TERRORISTS!'

Unbelievable what I read on this site sometimes. You are discrediting DU with your obvious refusal (or maybe it is ignorance which at least would be forgivable) of the LAW.

The Vatican does not have an extradition agreement with SD or with Poland. What YOU are suggesting that they should IGNORE their own laws, otherwise THEY ARE SUPPORTING PEDOPHILES.

Was Du always like this? I used to come here to LEARN things, not to be fed hyperbole and ignorance and nonsense. No wonder so many of DU's best are no longer here.

Shameful distortion of the facts.

But thank you for confirming what I thought.

[Ohio Joe]

85. They refuse to extradite after taking him out to protect him

Read the article. They could have left him there to face the music but instead they hid him away and now hide behind extradition?

Yeah... That is protecting a pedophile.

"Shameful distortion of the facts."

What was that?

[sabrina 1]

86. I've read plenty of articles on this case. I know the details of the case so you chose the wrong

person to push your obviously biased pov. Whenever someone convicts a person who is not even directly responsible for something of a crime, I have no more use for them.

This is a simple matter. It is a matter of law. And in fact, it appears from several articles I have read that there was NO FORMAL request for extradition, just a 'feeler' as it were. Because when there is no extradition agreement between countries that is generally how it is done. The country making the accusations (more hyperbole on your part btw since all we have are allegations, NOT CONVICTIONS) understands that they have no agreement but might ask if it would be possible. Apparently from some reports that is what happened in this case. A question was raised 'is it possible'. The expected answer was 'no'. NOT to a formal request, but to a question.

You have lost all credibility here. You have distorted the facts AND based on those distortions accused someone of a crime they did not commit.

Shameful to see this here.

[Ohio Joe]

87. They took him out and now won't give him back...

That is the heart of the matter. If this pope had any interest in fixing the church's image on this, he would send the shit back. Instead, he is protecting him.

Legal technicalities be damned... He is protecting a pedophile.

Shameful to see that being supported here.

[sabrina 1]

88. Just like the US took the CIA terrorists our of Italy. And refused to send them back despite actual

EVIDENCE of their guilt??? I take it you are angry at this administration for protecting criminals also?

There are all kinds of bigotry in this world. Not just the kind that get the most attention.

Thankfully you are very much in the minority and this kind of false accusation against someone who gains respect every day from people all over the world, only enhances him.

You might want to try something that is actually true if you want to discredit the man. False accusations only gain sympathy for the targets of such attacks. The more he is falsely accused, the more support he will get. It's part of the process when someone tries to make this world a better place. There are always those who just can't tolerate it for some reason.

[n2doc]

23. It's not even a trial

It is an "investigation". Hopefully it won't be an excuse to bury the whole thing.

[Baitball Blogger]

2. He is turning out to be a good leader.

Still a little more to go to be a great leader, but I'm sure given the time he will get there.

[theHandpuppet]

7. Given certain facts...

... like the fact that this Pope is opposed to contraception, abortion, full equality for women, gay marriage, gay adoption, among other progressive ideals, the fact that you would refer to him as a good leader with the potential to be "great" I find appalling and insulting. Why don't you just slap some of us in the face while you're at it?
Jeezil, why don't some folks carry their adoration to the religion forum where it belongs.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. I'm not very religious, actually.

Spiritual, yes. But not religious.

I'm all for breaking the religious monolith that the right-wingers have relied on for too long. Though I was raised a Catholic, I found a huge split in ideology with other Catholics as they began to pick up the hate talk that is common to right-wingers. We use to be fine with being called Communists because we believed that government should do more to help the poor. And that all changed over the last twenty years. This new pope is shaking things up. I find that to be a good political change.

[Tikki]

13. + unending...until he ends all of the above...

I am concerned he'll point to the flashing lights and say..Look what I've done.. let's stop right here, take a break.

It is not enough to be nice to our fellow humans…we must be equal partner humans on this World.

Go all the way pope for the all people and I'll come back and change this post accordingly.


Tikki

[sabrina 1]

15. As a woman, who I presume is included in your 'slap some of us in the face' I am thrilled

to see the steps this Pope is taking, way outside what anyone expected of the leader of a 2000 year old institution mired in regressive beliefs. Perhaps you'd rather he just continued to ignore issues that are important to PEOPLE so that we could go on hating, instead of recognizing that NO ONE can change EVERYTHING overnight.

Just a short time ago eg, our Democratic President stated that he could not recognize gay marriage, that marriage was between a man and a woman (if you need the video I will provide it for you). He was not the leader of an ancient religious institution, he was the Democratic leader of a secular state, yet he reached the age of 50 still holding on to those ancient beliefs. But pressure from more enlightened citizens and a recognition hopefully that religious beliefs have no place in the politics of a Democracy, he finally relented and did what he always could have done, unlike the Pope, he changed his mind.

To change the direction of an institution as large and ancient as the Catholic Church will not be so easy. But this pope has taken the first tiny steps to do so. Half of all Catholics now disagree with their Church on issues such as Women's rights and Gay rights. They are still believers however and have refused to be pushed out of an organization they want to belong to. And they are making a difference.

But if you prefer someone who is unrelenting on these issues, sorry, we are moving forward and when someone comes along who is willing to piss off the Right Wing Fundies who have USED the Catholic Church for political purposes on Women's rights for so long, I'm going to give that person all the support they need. You go right ahead and throw road blocks in the way of progress if that is what makes you feel better. But a majority of people, Catholic or not, are seeing what you seem to be missing, progress rather than regression. No matter how slowly it happens, and it will be slow, this Pope is slowly moving in the right direction.

[MellowDem]

29. Your expectations are too low...

I'm all for scathingly criticizing bigotry and bigots, not coddling their views by equivocating and excusing. The pope must be a real idiot, moral dunce, based on what people here trip over themselves to praise him for.

The idea that harshly, and consistently, criticizing clearly onerous viewpoints, even if held by the a pope, is somehow less preferable to slobbering over basic human decency that many more people much more moral than the pope have been promoting for centuries makes no sense to me. That the Pope will somehow change his views more readily if progressive sycophants backflip every time he acts human and ignore the disgusting viewpoints he holds makes no sense.

On the other hand, criticizing those viewpoints relative to their wrongfulness and harm they do to others makes all the sense in the world, and is the only way to get through to bigots eventually that what they are doing is morally reprehensible. The Pope should feel fucking embarrassed and ashamed for the deaths, poverty, and harm his beliefs and institution promote. Until he is, I'll treat him like the common bigot he is.

[Ellipsis]

46. ...not so mellow, MellowDem

[sabrina 1]

73. My expectations are realistic. One sixth of the world's population is Catholic, whether you like or

not or whether I like it or not. We can either support stagnation among that huge part of the world's population, or we can encourage the baby steps we are seeing this Pope taking. I'm for progress. I felt the same when the President we supported would not come out for women's and gay rights. We were devasted when he cavorted with Fundies who viewed women who had had abortions as sinners. When he refused to respect the Civil Rights of ALL Americans, allowing his own personal beliefs to direct his policies. But we did not remain silent NOR leave the Democratic Party did we?

You are free to support stagnation if you wish. But I will support progress no matter how slowly it comes over hatred, bigotry and there are all kinds of bigotry btw, over regression and stagnation any day.

So far the persistence of Catholic Women who have refused to be pushed out of the Church, much like we refuse to be sidelined by the Dem Leadership when the POTUS was against us, have changed the Church they belong to rather than cave to the Fundie Bullies and their persistence has led to a Pope who has embraced them as members of that Church which up to now, viewed them as unworthy. I can't help it if you choose to remain blind to the significance of what has happened, but my eyes are wide open and I like what I see, finally.

[MellowDem]

82. I don't see how honest criticism...

Much less consistent criticism, leads to stagnation. I think it's the other way around.

I think that religions especially only change to survive. They are dogmatic institutions. People leaving in droves will force change, or the church will close, otherwise it will be a slow stagnation. The Mormon Church finally dropped racial bigotry because of this.

If the foundational beliefs of religion are not openly criticized, then the status quo and perception of bigotry based on religious beliefs somehow being more acceptable remains.

I think perhaps the most damning thing is that the pope's supposedly progressive views are based in a very regressive reasoning. The same reasoning that the pope thinks the devil is behind marriage equality is the same reasoning he thinks people should help the poor.

So even praising the pope for his progressive views is changing none of the fundamentals and supporting regressive reasoning and terrible logic.

[liberal_at_heart]

36. I too am female who has had an abortion by the way and I am impressed with the steps he has

taken. I like him.

[sabrina 1]

76. Thank you! Me too.

[theHandpuppet]

60. No, you were not included in my post

Never expected you would be.

[defacto7]

65. and in more recent news.....

Pope denounces horror of abortion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25723422

[Egnever]

3. He is definitely a welcome change from the last guy

[PeaceNikki]

4. But it's ok to make women second class citizens without autonomy. And OK to deny birth control to

poverty stricken countries.

[BrotherIvan]

101. ^^This!^^

Approving of breast feeding is not a stretch, part of the Madonna vision of females solely as mothers. Plus, the majority of the countries in the civilized world have far less of a problem with nudity than the US.

If he had turned to these women and said, "I trust you enough to make your own decisions regarding family planning. I think your life has value, so if you need life-saving care that includes abortion, I want you to get the very best. And I think your spiritual life is so important, I want all women to be equal partners and be ordained in the church."

Until then, meh.

[el_bryanto]

5. This does not belong in GD

It is a straight up post praising a religious figure with no larger context.

Bryant

[freshwest]

6. Crooks and Liars is a good source of all political subjects. Other topics posted on DU at the link:

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Top 10 political winners and losers from the George Washington Bridge scandal

The pic at Crooks and Liars:



Link says they were not married in the church and it sounds like they were in a hurry to get married as it was an out of wedlock pregnancy.

Thanks for posting on how women and children should be celebrated without conditions set by those who disdain them as most conservatives do.

Francis has more than once gone to the defense of being a human, without any social status or having conforming with intolerant, self-serving societial rules.

JMHO.

[Morning Dew]

12. Popephilia.

Ugh.

[Vashta Nerada]

14. Yeah. He's really great:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014696038

[awoke_in_2003]

21. Thanks...

you saved me from doing it.

[n2doc]

16. But his church sucks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024315769

[rug]

20. See post 11.

Your linked OP sank too fast to draw responses.

Probably from the weight of the hate and high fives.

[n2doc]

22. Investigation does not equal trial

If he is tried, it would be the first time for any of the high ranking pedos. I am not optimistic.

The Pope is not the Vatican. Much as people would like to make up a wonderful story about an all-powerful pope kicking out the pedophiles and haters in his own church like Jesus and the moneychangers, That isn't reality. If he chooses to really throw his weight into this matter he would gain a lot more respect than just talking about things he has no control over.

[rug]

25. "If he is tried, it would be the first time for any of the high ranking pedos." Precisely.

The Vatican criminal code was amended six months ago to allow this type of prosecution.

Like it or not, there are changes.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. So they brought this guy to live next to Cardinal Law based on what?

A Polish citizen, wanted by Poland for crimes committed in Dominican Republic. Like it or not, they are impeding an investigation. To protect a monster. There is no excuse. It is damning.

[rug]

79. Like it or not, it's about internationall law, not Carrdinal Law.

[Bluenorthwest]

96. You find this a subject to be spoken of with glib quips?

Really indicative of the depth of the problem if you ask me.

[rug]

100. I find you a person to be spoken to with glib quips.

And no one asked you.

[MellowDem]

32. Do you ever address the content of posts?

Deflection seems to be the name of the game when something makes you uncomfortable. It's a very dishonest tactic.

[rug]

34. Usually. I do note, though, that your post seems to be remarkably unattached to this thread.

[MellowDem]

35. That's because it was a reply to your deflecting post...

If you have a substantive answer to a position, say it. Don't deflect with personal attacks on people (eg: your post dropped like a rock because of hate and high fives)

[rug]

37. That's your second content-free post.

Why don't you just start an OP about me? We'll have a grand time.

[MellowDem]

39. It's about encouraging better discussion...

And standing up to bullying tactics. Not content-free to me.

[rug]

40. Oh, good. Do something about this, will you?

18. You have a skewed view of what "rocks"

[MellowDem]

63. You're right...

I should have said that I did not agree. I should have had a less confrontational reply.

[rug]

72. NP.

Me either.

[MellowDem]

18. You have a skewed view of what "rocks"

[vanlassie]

24. Well I spend my work hours trying to convince

women to breastfeed. It's a political issue to a great extent. I am not Catholic but let me tell you, I am thrilled at this Pope's support for breastfeeding.

I'd be pretty happy if Rush Limbaugh said the same things, too.

[MellowDem]

30. Would you post a thread on it?

And would you expect a lot of praise of Rush on it?

Nope. Because... Religious privilege.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. Can you point out to me where the Pope actually voices support for breastfeeding?

I sure don't see any quotes from him that use the word.

[Squinch]

26. I wonder what he thinks of the Olive Garden?

Somebody had to say it.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Thanks lame for your post, it is good to recognize good in someone. I do not dwell on the

Negative thoughts but try to grow the good. Pope Francis has extended his hand to the poor and the I'll. This is a positive move, hopefully more will extend to the poor and ill.

[egduj]

28. QFT

+1

[Renew Deal]

31. A pope breast feeding thread?

[liberal_at_heart]

38. 2 DU wars in 1.

[Ellipsis]

45. hhhhhhhhahaaa

[DisgustipatedinCA]

33. I agree--this pope rocks

Thanks for the post.

[NCLefty]

43. He may rock but his company is still persecuting innocents.

Just to be accurate.

[Bluenorthwest]

47. Homophobic bigot and anti choice crusader, right wing preacher.

Francis is currently protecting another 'Bishop' accused of raping a few kids in the Dominican Republic from facing the criminal justice system.
You have odd heroes.

[Ellipsis]

49. Right. "America’s Oldest Gay Rights Magazine Picks Pope Francis as Person of Year"

At the core of the magazine’s reasoning was the Pope’s landmark assertion earlier this year: "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/17/america_s_oldest_gay_rights_magazine_picks_pope_francis_as_person_of_year.html

[NCLefty]

53. A panel of magazine editors named him that.

And it's worth just that much :p

Additionally, he did NOT say that being gay wasn't sin or that gays won't be cast into the lake of fire to burn for all of eternity in hell, which is what his company still firmly holds as truth.

[Ellipsis]

55. Yeah well'...his company has a 300 year business plan.

Overall, he's a refreshing change from "the hammer".

[Drahthaardogs]

58. No it is not.

If you want to discuss the Magesterium we can but you better brush up on Catholic dogma because you are obviosly shooting from the hip. You are wrong.

[NCLefty]

69. Catholics are shooting from the hip when they try to tell us what their god thinks.

Since it's all made up anyway :p

[Drahthaardogs]

83. You do not know what Catholics believe.

That much is obvious. You pretend to though. Nice deflection attempt.

[kwassa]

59. BUT IS THE POPE BREAST FEEDING AT OLIVE GARDEN ??????!!!!!!!???????

[QC]

61. Are pit bulls allowed in the Sistine Chapel?

Only then will true justice be achieved!

[Sissyk]

64. Please explain this to me.

But the pope has said several times since his election that the Church must not make children of couples in irregular situations feel like second-class faithful, and he agreed to baptize Giulia Scardia into the faith.

What is "irregular situations" as it relates to couples with children? IRREGULAR SITUATIONS! However, he says must not make gay couples feel like second class faithful even as I call them IRREGULAR.

[Bluenorthwest]

93. Unmarried straight couple

He called their situation 'irregular' which is pretty nasty. But he has not baptized the child of a gay couple, he says gay couples with kids are a form of 'discrimination against the child in advance'. Which is even worse than the 'irregular' comment. Straights are just irregular, we are harmful to our own kids.

[Glassunion]

81. Completely awesome...

Just don't eat them and drink a coke... I hear that's what killed Mikey from the Life Cereal commercials.

[Demo_Chris]

89. He holds child rapists in higher esteem than women or gays. That's not great, it's sick. nt

[JesterCS]

90. Why can't we ever have a positive

Pope thread without the sh!t-stirrers? WE KNOW he isnt perfect and alot still goes on that shouldnt, he's ONE man. Give it a break guys

[Egalitarian Thug]

91. Because and this is why there is a religion forum. Something happened in Israel today

that isn't "Big News" either, and that thread has a forum as well. I'll bet some gun nut did something, too, are we going to see that here?

Is that really what you want?

[lame54]

94. I'm not religious and don't hang out in those forums...

but This Pope Rocks

[Egalitarian Thug]

98. No, this pope say things that sound a lot better than the previous one.

Maybe he'll turn out to be more than hot air, or much more likely he will die shortly and will have changed nothing.

Either way, this should be in religion, not GD.

[lame54]

99. No

[theHandpuppet]

92. Isn't "perfect"?

Yeah, I guess being an avowed homophobic misogynist is no big deal. Folks should feel free to post positive threads such as "Pope Francis for President!", "I love this Pope!" and "This Pope Rocks!" on a progressive forum because as we all know, the oppression of millions of women and LGBTs is really no big deal at all.

[Bluenorthwest]

95. This is a political website, those who oppose contraception, equality for LGBT people and for women

are my political opposition. Those policies are Republican policies, and I am a Democrat. A thread that is flat out praise for a man who urges others to follow Republican social policy on so many levels needs a political response. Promoting an anti gay, anti choice, anti contraception public figure in a political forum should get political response. On a Democratic site, those views should be soundly and constantly rejected and those who advocate such views should not be promoted. That's what I think, but I'm a pro choice, pro equality liberal Democrat.
If folks wanted to discuss Francis as a religious figure, they could easily do so in a religious group here on DU, protected from criticism as they venerate a bigoted man who says contraception is a terrible thing.
GD is not about religion, it's about politics. Francis has politics. I reject his views on gay people, civil rights, women, contraception, abortion, mixing of Church and State, his protection of abusing priests and his lack of action in protecting the children he is supposed to protect. Learn to live with it.

[theHandpuppet]

97. +1000

Thank you!