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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 10:51 AM Jan 2014

Sherlock Holmes under the hammer as BBC face lawsuit from American heiress.

The corkscrew plot of literary litigation and counter-claim could land the BBC with legal action just as it celebrates the success of its third Sherlock series.

The drama, with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman, drew 8.8million viewers for its New Year's Day episode and another bumper audience is expected for tonight's series finale.

But its real-life machinations are as deep and dark as any devised by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who invented the flawed polymath in 1887.

The battle for his literary legacy has a dramatic sweep that may have beguiled the Edinburgh author.

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One claimant to the fortune, Andrea Plunket, says: "I have the rights, that is clear. And I will be suing the BBC for Sherlock. They are not allowed to take a character and create a new story. The same goes for Elementary, the CBS TV adaption starring Jonny Lee Miller. I also have trademarks on the Holmes and Watson characters in Europe."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453427/Sherlock-Holmes-under-the-hammer-as-BBC-face-lawsuit-from-American-heiress

Meanwhile :

Sherlock could be back in time for Christmas as BBC bosses urge producers to fast-track new episodes.

The producers of hit BBC drama Sherlock are under pressure to fast-track new episodes in order to get the programme back on television in time for next Christmas.

Following the success of the New Year's Day episode of Sherlock, which attracted over 13 million viewers when catch-up services are factored in, the BBC is understood to be eager to bill the programme as the main event in its Christmas 2014 schedule.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538467/Sherlock-time-Christmas-BBC-bosses-urge-producers-fast-track-new-episodes.html#ixzz2qI3eBZGv

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Sherlock Holmes under the hammer as BBC face lawsuit from American heiress. (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jan 2014 OP
Wow shenmue Jan 2014 #1
Isn't Sherlock public domain by now? NV Whino Jan 2014 #2
I thought I saw that recently, too. treestar Jan 2014 #5
Judge recently ruled that it is. LisaL Jan 2014 #6
But that would only apply in America, right? Not England. randome Jan 2014 #7
I have no idea. LisaL Jan 2014 #9
That's what I would think. randome Jan 2014 #12
In the UK, for written work, it's 70 years after the author died muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #22
Sounds like a lot of whining from the relatives, then. randome Jan 2014 #23
She's not a relative of Conan Doyle; she says her mother bought the rights muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #24
Huh. Interesting. I just assumed. Thanks for the info and the links. randome Jan 2014 #25
In America only... except for the last 10 stories as written by Doyle released in the US after 1922 Lost_Count Jan 2014 #8
Should be. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #21
Sounds like a three-pipe problem... Blue Owl Jan 2014 #3
Well played! JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #11
In "Elementary", I'm not seeing where she has a solid enough claim. RC Jan 2014 #4
Nor me and by the way dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #16
Damn. I shut off my cable a couple months back. randome Jan 2014 #10
Do you have a Roku box? PBS is a free station. FSogol Jan 2014 #13
We watched Seasons 1 and 2 and my daughters fell in love with the characters. randome Jan 2014 #15
Only out in England. Think it premieres on PBS in the US this Sunday. n/t FSogol Jan 2014 #17
Ah. Did not know that. They're probably available for download or viewing somewhere now, though. randome Jan 2014 #18
Netflix will stream them eventually. NV Whino Jan 2014 #14
My cable provider doesn't provide BBC. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #19
doesn't provide BBC ? dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #20
Twin Cities Public Television will be airing Series 4 of Sherlock starting on Sunday. Rosco T. Jan 2014 #27
Indeed. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #28
Existing patent and copyright law are impeding human progress. hunter Jan 2014 #26

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
6. Judge recently ruled that it is.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jan 2014


"Detective Sherlock Holmes and Dr. John Watson travel by train in original artwork from Strand magazine. A federal judge in Chicago recently ruled that the characters in Arthur Conan Doyle's stories — excluding any elements introduced in the last 10 stories released in the U.S. after 1922 — now reside in the public domain."

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/07/260471980/sherlocks-expiring-copyright-its-public-domain-dear-watson
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. But that would only apply in America, right? Not England.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jan 2014

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randome

(34,845 posts)
12. That's what I would think.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jan 2014

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So then I'm right about being wrong.
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muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
22. In the UK, for written work, it's 70 years after the author died
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:11 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-duration/c-types.htm

Conan Doyle died in 1930, so all copyright expired at the end of 2000. And with the ruling by the judge in the USA, I can see why the BBC is confident it doesn't have a problem, in major markets anyway (I suspect the rest of the EU will have the same rules as the UK).
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. Sounds like a lot of whining from the relatives, then.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jan 2014

Clutch that easy life/gravy boat as tightly as possible!
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Nothing.
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muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
24. She's not a relative of Conan Doyle; she says her mother bought the rights
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jan 2014
She claims the rights were bought for £40,000 by her mother from Russian-born Princess Nina Mdivani, a sister-in-law of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's daughter, Dame Jean.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. Huh. Interesting. I just assumed. Thanks for the info and the links.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 01:23 PM
Jan 2014

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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
21. Should be.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jan 2014

Copyright law is not written to protect the author, but his or her kids and/or the corporation which owns it.

It's ridiculous. There's no legitimate public purpose to having such long copyright protection.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
4. In "Elementary", I'm not seeing where she has a solid enough claim.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jan 2014

The last names may be the same, but they are male and female co-consultants, not male detective and male assistant.
Plus the public domain of the original characters should be well established by now.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Damn. I shut off my cable a couple months back.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:11 AM
Jan 2014

Neither my daughters nor I knew about the new episodes. They're going to go crazy when they hear!

I guess I need to spend more time on the Internet.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
15. We watched Seasons 1 and 2 and my daughters fell in love with the characters.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jan 2014

I mean I didn't know Season 3 was already out. I'll need to enforce a limited viewing, otherwise they would happily watch all 3 episodes (and the Christmas mini-episode) back to back.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
18. Ah. Did not know that. They're probably available for download or viewing somewhere now, though.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jan 2014

I'll need to look for them.
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Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
19. My cable provider doesn't provide BBC.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jan 2014

Thankfully Twin Cities Public Television will be airing Series 4 of Sherlock starting on Sunday.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
20. doesn't provide BBC ?
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jan 2014

We could send East End Thug round to have a word.



That's the guy who played Brick Top in Snatch.

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
27. Twin Cities Public Television will be airing Series 4 of Sherlock starting on Sunday.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jan 2014

Series 3, don't get us more excited about series 4 YET!

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hunter

(38,317 posts)
26. Existing patent and copyright law are impeding human progress.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 02:10 PM
Jan 2014

I think patents and copyrights ought to have a very short life if they pass to third party for-profit corporations.

Certainly, let artists pass patents and copyrights to wife, kids, grandkids, and other intimate relationships of the author; do let copyrights and patents support family known to the author.

But limit the time unrelated parties can control patents and copyrights

If I ever write something brilliant and profitable, yes, I might want the money going to known family after I'm dead.

Maybe corporations only ought to be able to buy time-limited leases on patents and copyrights from the artist or their name-designated heirs. After that the art would revert back to the artist's named family or be released to humanity in the public domain.

In the case of patents involving life-saving technology (pharmaceuticals, etc.) I think patents ought to be subject to eminent domain (nationalization and release to the public domain) whenever the owners of these patent are found to be restricting supply for egregious profit.

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