Just imagine control of the NSA in the hands of a Chris Christie?

[gordianot]

Right now Christie is all attitude what if he actually had the tools, it boggles the mind.

[woo me with science]

1. They are fabricating evidence trails to convict Americans now.

They are surveilling all Americans now, and targeting political enemies for closer surveillance.

They are using our tax dollars for corporate espionage NOW.

This is corporate fascism, and, yes, it will get even worse unless we stop it now.

[geek tragedy]

3. "targeting political enemies for closer surveillance"

More stuff from the imaginations of the Internet

[RC]

7. If J Edgar Hoover could do it without all this computer and Internet stuff, just think what

Christie could do with the NSA at his beck and call. Do you really think it is not happening now? Really?

[geek tragedy]

9. which political opponents of President Obama have been targeted by the NSA

or by the federal government?

[RC]

10. What makes you think Obama is in charge?

Do you really think Edward Snowden could have done what he did, if what the NSA was doing was all legal and Obama had a real say in what was going on at the NSA? The NSA shenanigans predates Obama by many decades. No temporary, reasonably honest President is going to shut them down, or even derail their domestic spying. Especially not those people that could rein the NSA in and send those responsible to prison. However the NSA is tailor made for a sleaze like Christie to exploit.

[sabrina 1]

14. Did the NSA answer Sen. Sander's question yet? In case you missed it, he asked a simple

question:

'Is or has the NSA spied on Members of Congress?'

Why would they do that? Surely it wouldn't be to 'target political enemies for closer surverillance'. Why would Sen Sanders want to know if they are doing this?

And why would any Dem trust an agency stock full of Bush Loyalists who as we all know are not known for their morality or ethics and never have been.

And why has Sen. Sanders not received and answer to his question yet?

'more stuff from the imagination of the internet'.

Yeah, you need quite an imagination to trust any of these people, but remarkably there are a few diehards on the internet who still do.

[solarhydrocan]

31. Here's the answer - so far

NSA won't say whether it spies on Congress

Washington (CNN) - Congress is just like everyone else. That's the message the National Security Agency has for Sen. Bernie Sanders.

The independent senator from Vermont sent a letter to the agency Friday, asking whether it has or is "spying" on members of Congress and other elected American officials.


The NSA provided a preliminary response Saturday that said Congress has "the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons."

"NSA's authorities to collect signals intelligence data include procedures that protect the privacy of U.S. persons. Such protections are built into and cut across the entire process. Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons," said the agency in a statement obtained by CNN...more
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/04/nsa-wont-say-whether-it-spies-on-congress/

It would be a safe bet to assume that the NSA is spying on EVERYONE at ALL TIMES.

And only a fool would believe anything they say anyway.

If you turn your ears towards the east and listen closely you can actually hear the Founding Fathers rolling in their graves

[TheKentuckian]

16. Since Obama is not an immortal god - emperor, it doesn't matter.

It is time for you and like minded souls to wrap your heads around the danger of such power and the extreme potential for abuse even if you strongly believe their is none now.

Did you trust Hoover? Do you feel shrub and Cheney were responsible? Do you think a President Christie or a President Issa would be safe hands if the political winds blew their way somehow?

[geek tragedy]

17. I agree that the potential is there and is scary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024302746

But, that's a lot different than saying stuff that echoes in the IRS woo theories.

[woo me with science]

18. More brazen Third Way denial of reality. The federal govt. systematically targets Occupy protesters.

It seems that the corporate talking points have devolved to the level of simply denying reality.

The federal government has systematically targeted Occupy Wall Street protesters for surveillance.....and not *only* surveillance, as we now know that the brutal police assaults on Occupy protesters were also federally coordinated.

In fact, the federal government has partnered with Wall Street and built taxpayer funded surveillance centers in Manhattan to allow *Wall Street itself* to surveil protesters. And that is just the outrageous tip of what looks like a hideous fascistic iceberg. The US Department of Defense is working with corporations to train police to treat peaceful protesters as terrorism suspects. Individual Americans are being given ratings of their potential terrorism threat and need for further scrutiny based on protest activity or political grumbling (see below). And the NSA's sweeping up of private communication is being used to chill investigative journalism and persecute journalists who challenge this corruption.

Your attempt to make this all about "enemies of Obama" is a sadly pathetic and predictable Third Way talking point template. It is Wall Street that owns this government now, and Obama is merely a temporary politician installed to ensure that corporate policies are enacted according to plan. This is not about targeting "enemies of Obama." It is about subverting OUR tax dollars and government agencies to crush political dissent and any other perceived dangers to the ongoing Wall Street purchase and corruption of our government.

2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585

OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769

Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12527647

How FBI Monitored Occupy Movement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101651867

FBI started surveillance of Occupy before it occupied
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022930860

Wall Street Protesters Complain of Police Surveillance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101618930

Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462465

ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500788

Why is FBI Manufacturing Reasons to Arrest Occupy Protesters, Ignoring White Supremacist Violence
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12522821

DHS Tracked Occupy Wall Street to 'Control Protesters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101463537

'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials
http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies

FBI uses new powers to bug anti-war groups
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x237625

ACLU: FBI instructs police to suppress peaceful protests
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x253574

Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765

"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508

DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662

ACLU: On revenge and the NSA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023491532

A Nation of "Suspects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487
http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046

That magic word, "terrorism." The government's identification of those needing further scrutiny
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022730456#post13

Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966

"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/

Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862

The chocolate ration has been increased, War is Peace, and the US government is not surveillng political enemies. Your repetition of dishonest corporate talking points and propaganda has reached the point of absurdity at this point. It has zero credibility and is frankly pathetic.

.

[geek tragedy]

23. the claim that the federal government was coordinating assaults on Occupy is tinfoil woo nutjobbery.

It's so nutty and discredited that even Glenn Greenwald has said nothing to support it.

Not to mention the ACLU, et al.

I guess they must be part of the conspiracy.

Congrats, you have a bunch of conspiracy woo links on DU to back up your conspiracy woo allegations.

Anyhow, you and Rand Paul can fight the good fight together.

[woo me with science]

24. Yup, I was right.

It seems that the corporate talking points have devolved to the level of simply denying reality.

War is Peace!

[geek tragedy]

25. yes, anyone who denies the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy

Alex Jones will tell you as much.

[woo me with science]

28. I suppose it's natural, when you are accustomed

to arguing based on insults and corporate talking points, when so many of the blue links in the corporate propaganda lead nowhere relevant or even to articles that say the opposite of what they're claimed to say...

I suppose that, under these circumstances, it's natural to simply hope that people will assume the links presented to you are just as empty, and to resort to the usual empty smears and emoticons. To simply deny what is in front of you, and even proclaim the opposite:

[center]War is Peace.
2 + 2 = 5.
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
And US spying on Occupy and other political threats is an "Alex Jones conspiracy."[/center]

What an embarrassing, Orwellian performance.

2011: Wall Street firms spy on protesters with police in tax-funded center
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023286585

OUTRAGEOUS: Our Tax Money Funds Gov Surveillance Center In Lower Manhattan--& Wall St Is Part Of It!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2178769

Report Details How Counter Terrorism Apparatus Was Used to Monitor Occupy Movement Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12527647

How FBI Monitored Occupy Movement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101651867

FBI started surveillance of Occupy before it occupied
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022930860

Wall Street Protesters Complain of Police Surveillance
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101618930

Whoop, There It Is... 'Evidence Homeland Security Coordinated Occupy Crackdown' -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462465

ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500788

Why is FBI Manufacturing Reasons to Arrest Occupy Protesters, Ignoring White Supremacist Violence
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12522821

DHS Tracked Occupy Wall Street to 'Control Protesters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101463537

'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials
http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies

FBI uses new powers to bug anti-war groups
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x237625

ACLU: FBI instructs police to suppress peaceful protests
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x253574

Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765

"Clear evidence of collusion between TransCanada and the federal government assisting local police to unlawfully monitor and harass political protestors”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023049508

DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662

ACLU: On revenge and the NSA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023491532

A Nation of "Suspects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487
http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046

That magic word, "terrorism." The government's identification of those needing further scrutiny
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022730456#post13

Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966

"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/

Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862

The NSA refuses to deny spying on members of Congress
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014688726

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[geek tragedy]

29. clinical case of projection on your part. I particularly like the sneering reference

to "blue links" followed by about 20 blue links.

[stevenleser]

2. That's the point I made on Wednesday. What if those aids were SecDef, Director of Natl Intel etc.

Put another way, if Christie becomes President, all of us on DU and DailyKos and the rest need to go into hiding.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017168518

[liberal N proud]

4. It is scary to think of Christie in control of our national defense among other things

And JamScam should be used to demonstrate that he is not worthy of the office.

[randome]

5. You mean breaking the law?

And at the same time blackmailing every employee and contractor at the NSA to keep it all secret?

Man, it's a wonder Obama isn't doing that right now.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Rules are made to be broken. Including this one.[/center][/font][hr]

[jsr]

6. The Boss would never do such a thing. Unless it's done without his knowledge.

Which would be very, very sad.

[Auntie Bush]

8. What boggles my mind is a revengeful Christy being president and having all that power to

hurt people...another Nixon. Turns out many who endorsed him and said nice things were in fear of saying something negative and getting Chrisie's wrath. I would be very fearful if he ever became president.

[gordianot]

11. That is my concern and his revenge is pointless.

This man is pure unapologetic malice.

[Le Taz Hot]

12. Yeah, 'cause it would be so much different in the hands of Hillary Clinton.

NOT.

[ProgressSaves]

19. Hillary is no saint, but comparing her to Christie is disgusting.

You should rethink this.

[Le Taz Hot]

21. I don't need to rethink anything.

Hillary is a corporate Dem who is for TPP, just fine with the NSA and has no problem with drones. She's backed by Goldman Sachs and was on the board of WalMart. This is, literally, a no-brainer.

[woo me with science]

22. Hey, how's your thread defending the TPP going?

Amazing, how many new Wall Street enthusiasts keep arriving here, every day!

[sabrina 1]

13. We don't have to imagine it. The NSA is in the hands and has been

for a long time, of anti-Constitutional corporatists. Most of them, the Private Security Corps such as Booz Allen are Bush appointees AND/or Former CEOs of those for profit 'private security corps. See Clapper eg.

We know now thanks to Snowden, that contrary to their claim that they are merely 'collecting and storing' everyone's data, a bad enough claim in itself, they ARE using it.

Christie as a Gov of a state, (why did Dems support that travesty?) has access to the NSA and for all we know WAS using data on political enemies supplied to him, or his staff, by Republicans in the NSA. We certainly know for sure his staff has few if any moral or ethical principles.

But it's not just him. We are finding out about him, but we know nothing about all the others who are using this information.

Sen. Sanders asked a question to which he has not received and answer yet:

'Is the NSA spyining on Members of Congress'?

Snowden claims they certainly had the capability. Imagine how harmful to democracy that is.

And since we are still waiting for an answer, we can presume they don't want to answer.

[woo me with science]

20. Well said.

[NCTraveler]

15. To be honest, the NSA under the control of Obama sucks.

I have a strong feeling that it would be exactly the same under Clinton. She would probably have a little more control when it comes to reeling in the loose eggs at the NSA and we would probably know less about it.

Christie would fight for more power just as Obama and Clinton would. In todays political climate I do not vote D because of control of the NSA. I do it because they are WORLDS better on social issues, and a tad better on issues across the board. I also know who I want picking SC nominees.

[Swede Atlanta]

26. This is what I have said to the NSA apologists.....

They say....well for security we need to snoop into every e-mail and phone call in case you were giving Aunt Grace's Spice Cake recipe to Marge. But as long as you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear (Joseph Goebels c/o the Nazis).

When you give any entity unmanaged and unsupervised control they will go wild. Congress lacks any effective oversight. In terms of appropriation they just vote on a "black box" of funding without knowing what is going on. The NSA comes before Congress and lies about his agency's activities. Further members of Congress are prohibited to tell us, the American people, of the lies, deceit and crimes of the agency.

The NSA must be brought down. We need to go and bulldoze all buildings, cut all cables, bonfire all computers. It is the only way to bring us back to the framer's intent.

[woo me with science]

27. Well said. nt

[Kablooie]

30. He'd be Commander in Chief of all our military forces too.

The world could get real interesting, real fast.

[woo me with science]

32. Things are getting interesting already,

with dutiful corporate Democrats doing their part:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10024312370

I fear it is not a question of IF, but of WHEN the MIC and One Percent decide the next bipartisan blood for profit scam will be easiest, politically, to launch.