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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/Report_N.htmlReport: Was Kim Jong Un's uncle fed alive to dogs?
A report from a Chinese newspaper says that North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Un, executed his uncle by feeding him stripped and naked to starved dogs, according to several media reports.
Several other news organizations were circulating the story, but none appears to have verified the version independently.
The Straits Times, which covers Asia, published a story Dec. 24 that the execution of Jang Song Thaek, who was the number two man in North Korea, was a horrifying scene. The newspaper based its story on Dec. 12 account published in the Hong Kong based publication, Wen Wei Po., which often serves as a mouthpiece for Beijing officials. According to the report, Jang was not killed by firing squad.
Rather: "he was stripped naked and thrown into a cage, along with his five closest aides. Then 120 hounds, starved for three days, were allowed to prey on them until they were completely eaten up. This is called "quan jue", or execution by dogs." The process took up to an hour and Jong Un supervised it, according to the account.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)If any nation on this planet needed liberating, it is NK. There are others of note, but NK is a horrible nation that punishes and executes its people on the whim of a crazy dictator.
can you imagine the holocaust between NK and China? Horrifying in scope and implications for the rest of us.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)NK has a handful of nukes, but their launch vehicle is unreliable. China would probably avoid using its own nuclear arsenal (NK being so close to other countries), but its military isn't the paper tiger it once was. If China was attacked with nuclear weapons, they'd reduce Pyongyang to rubble in a few days....with very little concern for there being any survivors.
Rex
(65,616 posts)that has any type of control over NK. I think that all changed with this latest crazy dictator. His offing of the uncle, reminds me a lot of Saddam Hussein (another horrible dictator that maybe was not crazy, just evil) THIS current dictator in NK is both imo (crazy and evil).
Let us hope one day China decides to do something about NK, it is their making and as far as I am concerned their responsibility. North Korea is a travesty of a nation and just waiting for a holocaust type culling of their society. He really is that evil crazy imo, all the Kim Jongs seem to be mad and evil to the core.
We can only hope that one day Korea will be reunited like Germany was. The people of NK deserve it.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)It is just a detriment to their nation now (since there is no more Red Menace) and sadly shows how little China believes in simple things like freedom and democracy.
Before they get all big and mighty on the seas with a military, they need to deal with NK and the crazy man in charge there. Their social experiment is over and was an obvious failure. NK communism led the way for a small state (wealthy) party and a crazy dictator in NK. Even China doesn't pretend to be communist anymore. They should clean up their messes imo.
We might not be the best thing to happen to SK, but we are close imo.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Single (dubious) source, no independent corroboration, ridiculous number of dogs (as if more than about a tenth of that number could actually get to the guy at a time...), vague description of the duration (if there was an actual witness, why say "up to an hour?" A witness would know...).
I smell bullshit.
PCIntern
(25,584 posts)published in China in the manner in which it was, then relations between the States are not so hot. If it's true it's horrific...if it's not, then there are other just-as-frightining implications.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)NK, once an ally, is now a huge embarrassment for China.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Hard to know what to believe coming out of that place.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)the uncle and the rest of the poor SOB's tossed into the cage were thickly coated in peanut butter and then rolled in Snausages.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Journalists are so lazy these days.
PCIntern
(25,584 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)he buried his uncle up to his chin in sand and released fire ants.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,377 posts)Kaleva
(36,343 posts)onethatcares
(16,185 posts)and made to listen to every speech by gwb and sarah palin.. After 4 hours he begged for the dogs.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That would be awful.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)under control, i.e. under the control of a monster.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Alamuti Lotus
(3,093 posts)And of course, you should always believe everything that you read, especially when you're predisposed to uncritically accept it anyway.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)After all, Rodman thinks the world of Kim Jong Un.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)herding cats
(19,567 posts)Which I'm going to guess is the main reason the Chinese paper reported the rumor. It cost China nothing to spread the rumor, which my gut says they did with a wink and a nod to Kim Jong Un. I didn't keep up with how the two countries talks were going this summer, but I'm pretty sure neither one was willing to give the other too much. This cost China nothing to toss out there as speculation.
Of course I'm totally guessing, but at a glance it looks pretty thin to me. I mean, it's not as if Kim Jong Un would try and keep something like this a secret if it were true. Not when spreading fear helps cement his image as a scary and unpredictable ruler, who just so happens to be waving his nukes around in a bid for national attention. I wouldn't be surprised if he was having a tantrum because his execution of his uncle didn't earn him the reaction from the western world he wanted and so he decided to ratchet it up a bit.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Who the hell wants to pay for the upkeep of 120 killer dogs just in case you want to horribly murder an uncle? I only have one dog and he's enough work as it is.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)doesnt cost anything since he didn't feed them
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Reportedly those executed were consumed by the dogs. That would be several pounds per dog.
Pigs, reportedly used by criminal gangs in the US to dispose of bodies, would seem to be much more capable.
goldent
(1,582 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:10 PM - Edit history (1)
back on the old TV show. The villains could have killed Batman and Robin ten times over, but they always had to do some complicated death contraption, of which Batman would always escape (typically with something in the utility belt).
Packerowner740
(676 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)wear Milkbone underwear.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)A BBC story noted that the Singapore paper that reported this is rabidly anti-communist, and that the story was encouraged by China, which may be angry because the uncle was working toward strengthening economic ties between North Korea and China.
But this is North Korea and its Little Leader, so who will know for sure?
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)They've mostly all been eaten. Source I believe is Nothing to envy: ordinary lives of North Koreans.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Granted KJU is willing to kill people, I don't buy the story.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/533352/20140108/north-korea-kim-jong-un-jang-song.htm#.Us5IqdIW0rU
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Kim was supposed to have watched on throughout the hour-long ordeal, flanked by scores of North Korean officials but the source of the account is named as Pyongyang Choi Seongho, who the US blogger Trevor Powell pointed out is a China-based satirist and online personality.
The story was nonetheless reported by the English-language Singapore daily Straits Times, and from there quickly made headlines around the western world.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Hard to be certain when NK is so secretive, though.