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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:46 PM Dec 2013

A Tale of Two Stadiums

It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. Here in Minneapolis St. Paul, MN, an era is ending and another beginning. The Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome will see its last public event today, when the Minnesota Vikings play the Detroit Lions in the last game of the season for both lousy teams. The game will be boring, and the teams have no stake in performing well for the sold-out crowd seeking to attend this last, historic game. The Metrodome, first used in 1982, will be demolished, beginning not long after this final game is over. In its place will rise a new stadium, looking for all the world like a monstrous glass cathedral.

The HHH Metrodome was built with a large influx of taxpayer dollars, and with the promise of great economic benefits to the Twin Cities. Those benefits remain unseen so far, really. There were, of course, a couple of sports bars built near the edifice, so a few long-term jobs in the food service industry were created, I guess, but the expansive conception of a thriving community around that stadium somehow never became a reality.

The new $1 billion Vikings stadium, like the old one, will be built with the help of a very large sum of taxpayer dollars as well, and the arguments for that public investment are pretty much the same arguments raised for the one they are now tearing down. The likelihood that the benefits will appear this time is about the same as the last time. But, an edifice is needed, and will be built. So spake the movers and shakers of Minnesota.

For what, some ask? Well, for the pride of the community! For a multi-purpose stadium for the citizens of Minnesota! Perhaps, but the real benefits will accrue to the owner of the Minnesota Vikings, one Zygi Wilf, a real estate magnate who, by chance, was recently judged to be a fraud in the state of New Jersey, and will have to pay almost $100 million in damages to the defrauded party. Zygi, a mustachioed entrepreneur of the first water will see the selling price for the Minnesota Vikings increase dramatically once the new stadium is erected. Now, to be fair, Zygi is contributing part of the cost of this new football cathedral, as is the NFL, but that money is highly leveraged and one wonders how long the lever might be and where the fulcrum will be placed. I suspect the fulcrum will bear directly on the backs of Minnesota taxpayers in some circuitous way.

For our investment, Minnesota residents will have the opportunity to visit this new cathedral honoring a boy's game at least 8 times each year, and maybe 9, if the team actually wins enough games to be in the playoffs. That, given the last two seasons, though, seems highly unlikely. There will also be some other opportunities to visit the new stadium, perhaps. A monster truck rally or two, and other possible events that are as yet unknown. Still, given the price of this new stadium, ticket prices are bound to go up substantially, and they are already high enough that most Minnesotans do not have the price of a ticket available so they can attend a game. Only those of considerable means will have entry into this stadium, it appears.

It is folly. This new stadium, built on the backs of Minnesota taxpayers at extreme cost, with the price of attendance high enough to prevent most of those who pay for the stadium from every attending a game, is an obscenity. That the taxpayers of Minnesota will be forced to pay for a facility they cannot use, all for the profit of a man already judged to be a fraud, is the source of the obscenity. When will we learn that public money should not be spent on rich men's foolishness? When will we say NO! to such excesses? When will that money be spent instead on rebuilding infrastructures, pacifying troubled urban neighborhoods and educating Minnesota's children?

Perhaps next time? This time, there's no such luck.

The New Viking's Cathedral

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A Tale of Two Stadiums (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2013 OP
They did phil89 Dec 2013 #1
It is a common story across the country. MineralMan Dec 2013 #2
"America's Team?" Archae Dec 2013 #6
It's why I'll always love Laura Miller... malokvale77 Dec 2013 #47
He's a New Jersey guy. Jenoch Dec 2013 #51
A billion dollars edhopper Dec 2013 #3
Just this year, there have been major breaks in huge MineralMan Dec 2013 #8
Why would it only be used 10 times in a year? NCTraveler Dec 2013 #71
I was being edhopper Dec 2013 #72
Year after year, city after city, this shit goes on and on, and people fall for it hatrack Dec 2013 #4
Disgusting. Can a stadium be built roody Dec 2013 #5
Yes. It's called Fenway Park. malthaussen Dec 2013 #10
+1 Agschmid Dec 2013 #21
The Truman Sports complex is still a great venue..... Logical Dec 2013 #40
still no public transit there pstokely Dec 2013 #50
The Chiefs parking cost is below league average..... Logical Dec 2013 #52
Neither do they. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #73
Lambeau Field opened in 1957, and is still going strong. Scuba Dec 2013 #44
Can you use a computer more than 5 years? pstokely Dec 2013 #49
Dodger Stadium, built in 1962 TheMightyFavog Dec 2013 #63
The Taxpayer isn't buying the computer dem in texas Dec 2013 #78
The people's stadium, right? Morning Dew Dec 2013 #7
I am still furious about this BainsBane Dec 2013 #9
Actually, the transparent panels won't be made of glass. MineralMan Dec 2013 #12
The Vikings should just move to LA. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #29
OMG please no abelenkpe Dec 2013 #35
Especially not THAT football team. jmowreader Dec 2013 #41
See. That's my point exactly BainsBane Dec 2013 #43
Would LA be willing to return the Lakers name to Minnesota (and dump the name Timberwolves) Nobody You Know Dec 2013 #59
I'm pretty sure audiences would have a claim of false advertising BainsBane Dec 2013 #60
Sorry SwankyXomb Dec 2013 #48
Don't forget Target Field BainsBane Dec 2013 #11
But I wouldn't have gotten to use my Tale of Two Cities riff MineralMan Dec 2013 #14
50+ 1 rule germany Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #13
Is that really what it looks like? CrispyQ Dec 2013 #15
That's what it will look like, or at least MineralMan Dec 2013 #19
Disappointed it won't be an outdoor stadium. tritsofme Dec 2013 #16
It is designed with swinging panels to let MineralMan Dec 2013 #18
There is no roof. MNBrewer Dec 2013 #32
I've read it will have a glass roof. tritsofme Dec 2013 #33
You're right. I'm confusing it with the issue of having a retractable roof MNBrewer Dec 2013 #42
ditto nashville. build a stadium and give it to a billionaire. spanone Dec 2013 #17
I love football but question how much of this should be TBF Dec 2013 #20
I humbly suggest that none of it should be paid MineralMan Dec 2013 #22
Professional sports are a drawing TBF Dec 2013 #23
Freedom-hating Packers!!! hatrack Dec 2013 #24
lol TBF Dec 2013 #25
There was a .5% sales tax referendum for the initial renovations back thirteen years ago. TheMightyFavog Dec 2013 #64
Nice! :) nt TBF Dec 2013 #65
I could go along with taxpayer funding for associated transportation costs Jim Lane Dec 2013 #70
Sounds to me it is designed to assist that well known player position intaglio Dec 2013 #26
"Bread and circuses" Lifelong Protester Dec 2013 #27
It really bugs me how much money we're wasting on this stadium. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #28
The end of the multi-use stadiums of the 1960s and 1970s. BlueCheese Dec 2013 #30
The Vikes and Lions will not win! SCVDem Dec 2013 #31
Right there with you! tritsofme Dec 2013 #34
No bias BobUp Dec 2013 #36
You've never heard "The Bears Still Suck" polka? SCVDem Dec 2013 #37
Nice BobUp Dec 2013 #39
33 To 28 SCVDem Dec 2013 #56
Do you know how to BobUp Dec 2013 #66
Back yard? SCVDem Dec 2013 #67
Put up a goal post! BobUp Dec 2013 #68
That's pretty good! SCVDem Dec 2013 #74
All Da Bears Defensive Line BobUp Dec 2013 #75
First there was the fumblerooski SCVDem Dec 2013 #77
Before next season, BobUp Dec 2013 #79
You're a Kenosha Bears fan? SCVDem Dec 2013 #81
Sssshhhhh BobUp Dec 2013 #82
I think the Packers converted 4 4th downs on that last drive. Jenoch Dec 2013 #55
It's against NFL rules to allow publicly owned teams into the league Kaleva Dec 2013 #76
socialize the cost, privatize the profits hibbing Dec 2013 #38
The Vikings haven't been the Vikings since the old Metropolitan Stadium.. tokenlib Dec 2013 #45
Yah, well, that was before my time. I didn't move to MN until 2004. MineralMan Dec 2013 #46
And Paul Giel should be dug up Jenoch Dec 2013 #53
Y'all should take a lesson from us Bay Staters MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #54
Gillette Stadium pipi_k Dec 2013 #69
Who actually voted Chuuku Davis Dec 2013 #57
Bipartisan. MineralMan Dec 2013 #58
You gotta keep up with the Falcons! moondust Dec 2013 #61
At least the Twins waited until they were in their new stadium before they started losing dflprincess Dec 2013 #62
Most that complain don't attend NFL games. maced666 Dec 2013 #80

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. It is a common story across the country.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:53 PM
Dec 2013

Americans, or at least some Americans, appear to worship football, which lends itself to cathedral like edifices.

Archae

(46,337 posts)
6. "America's Team?"
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:04 PM
Dec 2013

They used to say that about the Dallas Cowboys.

No, it's Jerry Jones' Texas money pit.

"America's Team" is the Green Bay Packers, since the *FANS* are the majority stockholders, not some corrupt bastard like this Minnesota guy.

edhopper

(33,589 posts)
3. A billion dollars
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:58 PM
Dec 2013

to be used 10 days a year, unless the Vikings are a home team in the playoffs, then maybe 12.
Sounds like good use of public funds. Not like Minnesota need infrastructure repair or anything.

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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
8. Just this year, there have been major breaks in huge
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:06 PM
Dec 2013

water mains in downtown Minneapolis, causing buildings to flood. That's just the beginning of such infrastructure failures for which there is no funding to make replacements. Our urban schools are failing, too.

But, we can build a $1 Billion edifice to a ball game. Feh!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
71. Why would it only be used 10 times in a year?
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:53 PM
Dec 2013

Would higher usage(as it will get) make a big difference for you?

edhopper

(33,589 posts)
72. I was being
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:13 PM
Dec 2013

hyperbolic. 10 home games for the team. I know these stadiums are used for other events. But I think the comparison to infrastructure is apt.
And no, more use doesn't matter. I don't think these stadiums should be funding by the public, unless like Green Bay the town owns the team.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
4. Year after year, city after city, this shit goes on and on, and people fall for it
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:59 PM
Dec 2013

"But . . . but . . . but . . . we CAN'T lose the (name of team)!!!!!!!! We wouldn't be a (world-class/top-tier/first-rate/unquestioned - your pick!) destination if we did!"

roody

(10,849 posts)
5. Disgusting. Can a stadium be built
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:03 PM
Dec 2013

that lasts more than 31 years? My house is 59 yrs old and still good.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
10. Yes. It's called Fenway Park.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:08 PM
Dec 2013

Honorable mention to Wrigley Field. But anything built after, say, 1970 is doomed to be unusable within a generation. I give this new monstrosity 20 years, tops.

-- Mal

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
40. The Truman Sports complex is still a great venue.....
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 04:53 PM
Dec 2013

It has Arrowhead and Royals stadium in the same location. It was build in 1972!



 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
52. The Chiefs parking cost is below league average.....
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:38 PM
Dec 2013

Here is the list of bus options on game day.

Not sure what your complaint really is.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/arrowhead/public-transportation.html

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
44. Lambeau Field opened in 1957, and is still going strong.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:59 PM
Dec 2013

Of course the Packers are owned by their fans.

pstokely

(10,529 posts)
49. Can you use a computer more than 5 years?
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:30 PM
Dec 2013

stadiums aren't big moneymakers for the owners after they turn 21 or even 16

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
63. Dodger Stadium, built in 1962
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:05 AM
Dec 2013


One of the prettiest venues in all of baseball. I've always loved the zig-zaggy roof over the outfield bleachers. I'd like to go to a game there someday.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
78. The Taxpayer isn't buying the computer
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:38 PM
Dec 2013

Stadiums and computers are too different to compare. The taxpayers should not be footing the bill for these big stadiums so some rich man can make more money. In Dallas, we tore down Reunion arena before it was even paid for to build the new American Airlines center, all on the taxpayers dime. Jerry Jones didn't benefit from this, he moved on to Arlington, but other rich business men did. The taxpayer gets the shaft again.

Morning Dew

(6,539 posts)
7. The people's stadium, right?
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:04 PM
Dec 2013

Of course it will be named for corporate entity and for a huge price.

The one and only thing I liked about that awful dome was that it wasn't subject to naming rights while the Twins were the primary tenant. As soon as the Twins left (within hours), the place was plastered with Mall of America Field banners. Just one more reason to detest the Wilf money machine.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
9. I am still furious about this
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:07 PM
Dec 2013

All that wasted money, and the upkeep on that thing is going to be enormous. They clearly learned nothing from having the metrodome roof collapsing all the time. Why not build a glass building so the snow can bust through the roof? Fucking legislature and Mark Dayton.
Like anyone actually wanted the pathetic Vikings. That whole ruse about their going to LA was pure bullshit.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. Actually, the transparent panels won't be made of glass.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:15 PM
Dec 2013

Some sort of acrylic plastic, I understand. Still...

I rewrote the last line of the Viking's Rouser some time ago to read:

Go, Vikings. Just Go!

Buncha losers, anyhow.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
43. See. That's my point exactly
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:31 PM
Dec 2013

And they used that card to blackmail the state into funding a stadium. No one wants them. They are pathetic.

 

Nobody You Know

(33 posts)
59. Would LA be willing to return the Lakers name to Minnesota (and dump the name Timberwolves)
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 09:53 PM
Dec 2013

and start a new campaign for a L.A. team name that's more appropriate - like L.A. Stars or L.A. Bryants or something?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
60. I'm pretty sure audiences would have a claim of false advertising
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:01 PM
Dec 2013

for giving the Timberwolves, one of very worst teams in the history of the NBA, the name Lakers and thereby fooling people into buying tickets or watching a game on television.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
48. Sorry
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:22 PM
Dec 2013

but the LA city charter only allows us to steal one team from any municipality, and we already took the Lakers. You're stuck with them.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
11. Don't forget Target Field
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:10 PM
Dec 2013

They just got done building that one. Only it was Hennepin County that has to pay for that stadium for the other pathetic sports team.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. 50+ 1 rule germany
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:15 PM
Dec 2013

The basis of the German model is the 50+1 rule whereby a minimum of 51% of the club must be owned by club members. This still allows for considerable investment opportunities for private business to invest while preventing them from having overall control of the direction of the club. A Bundesliga club board is made up of delegates selected by the shareholders. That way the supporter membership associations or Mutterveiren have a direct say on the management of the club.

The benefits to this method are clear, especially to English supporters who long for an end to the days where English clubs are subject to the whims and excesses of individual owners or uncaring capitalists who use their club to clear their own debts. Corporate interest is curtailed by the interests of the supporters. As long as the supporters have the best interest of the club at heart, that club is unlikely to allow itself to become mismanaged.


CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
15. Is that really what it looks like?
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:18 PM
Dec 2013

It reminds me of this:



Air Force Academy Chapel in Colorado Springs

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
16. Disappointed it won't be an outdoor stadium.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:18 PM
Dec 2013

Which was my only dog in this fight. Football should be played outside, bring back the Frozen North!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
18. It is designed with swinging panels to let
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:22 PM
Dec 2013

the frigid air in. Like today, when the game will be played in sub-zero weather.

A gigantic game of freeze-out is in order.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
32. There is no roof.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:48 PM
Dec 2013

That would have pushed the price tag above where even our Democrats would have balked.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
42. You're right. I'm confusing it with the issue of having a retractable roof
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 05:20 PM
Dec 2013

, which was rejected as too costly. Sorry.

As much as I oppose the building of this stadium, if we build it, it must have a roof of some sort or it will not be usable much of the year here in MN.

TBF

(32,067 posts)
20. I love football but question how much of this should be
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:25 PM
Dec 2013

paid by tax payers. We already pay high ticket prices and it's not like the owners or players are taking a cut (especially the owners!).

So, yes, I pretty much agree with your assessment. We've got better things to spend $$$ on.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. I humbly suggest that none of it should be paid
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:30 PM
Dec 2013

by taxpayers. Professional sports should be self-funded, entirely. If they cannot be profitable that way, then good riddance to them.

That's my opinion.

TBF

(32,067 posts)
23. Professional sports are a drawing
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:39 PM
Dec 2013

Card for the city like other large arenas etc so there are probably arguments for some subsidizing. I dunno, when Green Bay wanted to work on Lambeau they just sold more shares. But we've got a socialist system up there

TheMightyFavog

(13,770 posts)
64. There was a .5% sales tax referendum for the initial renovations back thirteen years ago.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:10 AM
Dec 2013

Worked out well for us. Hell, it even helped us get us a Dem in our state senate seat, and he's held it to this day.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
70. I could go along with taxpayer funding for associated transportation costs
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:47 PM
Dec 2013

If a lot of people want to get to a particular place, then it's reasonable for government to support mass transit connections and/or improved road access, regardless of why people want to get there and regardless of who will reap incidental benefits (the downtown businesses, a rich football team owner, etc.).

Similarly, if the team pays for its own stadium, including the rest rooms, then taxpayers might have to spend money for sewer connections, if that's what's done for other new construction.

With those comparatively minor exceptions, I agree with you completely.

Be grateful they're at least using the site of the old stadium. In New York City, eminent domain was used to grab the property of existing homes and businesses that stood in the way of the Atlantic Yards project. The centerpiece of Atlantic Yards was the new basketball arena to lure the Nets from New Jersey to Brooklyn. More civic pride, doncha know.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
27. "Bread and circuses"
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:55 PM
Dec 2013

Yes, those millionaire owners laugh all the way to the bank as a result of this "swindle".

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
28. It really bugs me how much money we're wasting on this stadium.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:56 PM
Dec 2013

The Vikings suck. They don't deserve a new stadium. They shouldn't get a new stadium if they were good, either.

Meanwhile, how many bridges in Minnesota need to be repaired? The roads in St. Cloud absolutely suck. There's potholes everywhere. The college in town (SCSU) is cutting programs because of budget cuts, but the Vikings get a new stadium. The infrastructure in MN is getting dated and needs to be repaired. But we're spending money for a new Vikings stadium.

What happened to our priorities?

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
30. The end of the multi-use stadiums of the 1960s and 1970s.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:07 PM
Dec 2013

With the scheduled closure and demolition of Candlestick Park in San Francisco as well, this marks the almost-end of the era of the municipal combined baseball/football stadiums of the 1970s. I think only the Oakland Coliseum (home of the Raiders and the A's) will be left after this.

A fond farewell to those lovable concrete dumps that housed generations of sports teams and their fans. Memorial Stadium, the Vet, the Kingdome, the Astrodome, Riverfront, Three Rivers, Cleveland Stadium, RFK: we hardly knew you.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
31. The Vikes and Lions will not win!
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:20 PM
Dec 2013

Teams which embrace the weather as part of their team such as the Bears and Packers continue to succeed.

You lose the toughness playing in a dumb and I doubt the fair weather fans would want the cold air in in winter.

Look to Soldier Field today to see how NFC North football should be played. Then Lambeau Field next week for the wild card game!

Teams need to sell shares like the Packers! They are only worth the bragging rights, but when I say MY TEAM, I really can say that.

Go Pack Go!! ARod and Cobb both return today!

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
34. Right there with you!
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 03:56 PM
Dec 2013

Except the Wild Card game will be played at Soldier Field next week, not Lambeau.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
37. You've never heard "The Bears Still Suck" polka?
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 04:36 PM
Dec 2013


Hell of a rivalry, ain't it?

Daaable check the score after the game!
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
56. 33 To 28
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 09:14 PM
Dec 2013

Who sucks?

Let's Daaable check that score.

33 to 28

Da Bears gave a good game though. See ya next year!

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
74. That's pretty good!
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:09 PM
Dec 2013


The 49ers haven't seen our new and improved running game yet.

Our opening loss to them was a shaky start.

In any case, Go Packers!

BobUp

(347 posts)
75. All Da Bears Defensive Line
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:24 PM
Dec 2013

went to the clinic today for checkups, coaches and owners wanted to find out if they could hear a whistle, or not.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
77. First there was the fumblerooski
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:32 PM
Dec 2013

Now there's the Passarooski ! As Lombardi said, "What the hell is going on out here?"!!

(Being from Wi originally, So Ca. since 74, I note the Ski. Damn I miss a good Polish sausage or brat)

BobUp

(347 posts)
79. Before next season,
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:39 PM
Dec 2013

officials will be given vision tests.....since they have problems seeing if it was a touchdown or not. You should have been in my living room last night, you would have heard wifey cussing like a sailor.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
81. You're a Kenosha Bears fan?
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:52 PM
Dec 2013

I'm from Greenfield. Home of Alan Kulwicki and UW QB Joel Stave.

Packers shareholder and I screamed in the bar when AR tossed that TD to Cobb. It could have been a beer commercial.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
55. I think the Packers converted 4 4th downs on that last drive.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 08:35 PM
Dec 2013

It appeared to me that the Bears played better tgan expected, but the Oackers also had some luck on their side. The players need to keep playing until the whistle is blown.

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
76. It's against NFL rules to allow publicly owned teams into the league
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:25 PM
Dec 2013

Green Bay is the exception and was grandfathered in.

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
38. socialize the cost, privatize the profits
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 04:38 PM
Dec 2013

I've posted this with every one of these billionaire owners who get the taxpayers to build these stadiums. Look into the idiot son's involvement with the Texas Rangers for some real chuckles.

Peace

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
45. The Vikings haven't been the Vikings since the old Metropolitan Stadium..
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 06:00 PM
Dec 2013

..or since Bud Grant and the no heaters allowed on the sidelines, and the frigid tailgating,...and the fun taunting of southern teams when they came to town. They lost a lot going indoors...

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
46. Yah, well, that was before my time. I didn't move to MN until 2004.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 06:13 PM
Dec 2013

I tried to like the Vikings, but just never could do it. I've been a Packers fan since I was a kid, and still am.

Don't like the Vikings, didn't like the Rams, even though I lived 50 miles from Los Angeles. I stuck with the Packers, and am forever a Cheesehead.'

I'm also a Cornhuskers fan by marriage. My late FiL played for the team in 1941. Go Big Red!

I dunno, the L.A. Vikings has a nice ring to it, but it's too late for that now.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
53. And Paul Giel should be dug up
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:50 PM
Dec 2013

and hung by his thumbs for the tear down of Memorial Stadium. They coukd have refurbished it at the time for about $6million.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
54. Y'all should take a lesson from us Bay Staters
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 08:02 PM
Dec 2013

Patriots wanted a new stadium, said "give us lots of stuff or we're moving to Connecticut!". We said "Don't let the door hit your mighty muscular asses on the way out!" They stayed - I think we built them a shitty little service road.

Red Sox pulled the same crap, IIRC they got zilch.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
69. Gillette Stadium
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:54 PM
Dec 2013

has a rather interesting history, as I found out just recently...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillette_Stadium


Anyway, NE haters can say what they want about the team, the coach, and the owner, but Robert Kraft paid for Gillette out of his own pocket

As the article says, a rare instance of a team owner financing the cost of a stadium.

He's been rewarded many times over by the wins, titles, and general sense of pride (among Pats fans, anyway) in our team.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
61. You gotta keep up with the Falcons!
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:07 PM
Dec 2013

And the Bengals!

And a host of others!

You wouldn't want to FALL BEHIND!

Isn't that kinda how it works? Kinda like CEO pay?

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
62. At least the Twins waited until they were in their new stadium before they started losing
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:10 AM
Dec 2013

and Target field is far more attractive than the monstrosity being built for the Vikings...The football player on the outside really just sends it over the line for me.

And now the state says it needs to cut funds for home healthcare.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
80. Most that complain don't attend NFL games.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:52 PM
Dec 2013

Rather obvious and understandable. Who wants to spend tax money, your tax money, on something you will never benefit from?
You'll get similar complaints from people who don't support states/cities from spending millions each year on the arts when the city orchestra plays to 3,000 people on a Saturday evening. The public gives over 10 billion a year to the arts as well - you won't see private citizens donating to private NFL teams anything more than 10 cents.
The NFL and their ever-improving luxury stadiums are just a different animal. The sport/league is wildly successful and yes, rich. Of course they can afford to build their own stadiums. Billion dollar deals are signed every few years with multiple vendors/advertisers including TV contracts, official cell phone sponsor, special cable deals, beer sponsors - the list of 1000 million dollar + deals is endless.
But each owner is an individual when it comes to where they play and old supply and demand comes into account. Los Angeles is perfectly fine without a team, culturally and otherwise. Yet other cities offer up hundreds of millions to fund new stadiums just to keep a team from moving away.
And they will continue to do so much to the dislike of many taxpayers who do not follow the league. Each city different. Atlanta city politicians recently were accused of partially paying for a new Falcon stadium only because two local churches got a ridiculous 40 million dollar payoff for their small lots.
I'd like to see the NFL reveal how much they profit-share with each team each year - ALL of it. It has to be a ridiculous number which is why they will never reveal it all.

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