Do you think that the majority of Americans hold a Biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family?

[OmahaBlueDog]

Yesterday, I posted this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024241136

It dealt with Duck Dynasty, and calls for A & E to apologize to Phil Robertson. A group called Faith Driven Consumer (http://istandwithphil.com/) is behind a petition to this effect. In their petition, they make the following statement:

Mr. Robertson’s comments in GQ Magazine are simply reflective of a Biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family – a view that has stood the test of time for thousands of years and continues to be held by the majority of Americans and today’s world as a whole

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Question: Thinking about the complete world of people you know (friends, family, coworkers, business associates, service providers), do you think that the majority of Americans hold a Biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family?

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	Yes. In my experience the majority of Americans hold a Biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family
	1 (17%)
	No. In my experience the majority of Americans do not hold a Biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family
	5 (83%)
	In my experience about an equal percentage of Americans do & do not hold a Biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family
	0 (0%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[PeaceNikki]

1. The divorce rate for hetros is enough to disprove that theory.

[quinnox]

2. Yep

[Prophet 451]

3. No but they like to pretend they do

In other words, most people are hypocrites who don't actually live by Biblical values but want to impose trhem on others.

[antiquie]

4. In my experience,

most Americans claim to hold a Biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family, but do not follow their claimed beliefs.

[Shandris]

5. I have to choose the Abstain option.

I don't think they hold a biblical view on sexuality, but on family and marriage? It's a very split fight. Many of the states passing gay marriage for instance are those where only lawyers/judges could get the referendums/laws overturned - laws that had to be passed by a majority (even if very close).

I'd like to think fewer people are still that way, but from where I see the world here in the heart of Indiana, and places where I lurk online and watch posts, its hard for me to believe that any strong majority is actively -against- biblical interpretations of marriage.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Which Biblical view? Polygamy, child brides? Divorce allowed, divorce forbidden?

Do most of them follow the proscribed rituals for married straight people, the time apart, ritual baths, all of that? No they do not.
Which Biblical view of family? The early Christians lived communally, they sold everything and pooled it, took according to their needs, living together as a large community.
Catholic dogma forbids divorce, but reality is Rudy Guillani, Catholic of many wives. Protestants divorce freely and frequently, remarriage is more common than marriage. Jesus equated that with whoremongering. He did not speak of 'allunments' nor of moving one's mistress into Gracie Mansion. He did not speak of the various Mrs Newts. He called it being a whoremonger, to remarry after discarding a spouce.
New Testament teachings from Paul say that women's place in the family is subordinate to the man's, she is instructed to remain silent in gatherings and meetings, to never so much as ask a question of another person, only her husband and then only alone at home. Know anyone who practices that? I sure as fuck don't.
So this 'Biblical view'....what's it mean again?

[malthaussen]

7. No, just the loudest. n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

8. Most people I know claim to hold biblical views on these topics,

but their actions and words say otherwise.

[Rozlee]

9. Most Americans who claim to be Christian cherry pick the parts of the bible that

they want to adhere by. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it's something that I've noticed time and again. And the reason may be because the bible contradicts itself in so many places that people can point to it and say, "Look at this scripture. It says I'm right." Or they rationalize their behavior, shacking up before marriage and saying it's OK despite the biblical proscription against fornication, because they go to church and that has to count for something. People tie themselves into knots justifying their behavior to fit themselves into a mold that they consider that of a good Christian. I often think that that is why so many fundamentalist Christians are so judgmental and willing to point out the sins of others. It detracts them from looking at their own. I remember the days of my own youthful Catholicism when every sinful deed and thought had to be remembered and filed for confession and my terror that I'd die before I could confess my sins and wind up going to Hell. I can't believe that I structured my life around such superstitious fears and mores.

[Wolf Frankula]

10. Most Americans Do NOT have a Biblical View

They have what they THINK is a biblical view, based on what their families, preachers, friends and relatives tell them.

Wolf

[shenmue]

13. Yes!

I think you hit the mark.

[treestar]

11. Even churchgoers

Anyone under 60 generally is accepting of a lot more than the strict fundamentalist interpretation allows for.

[shenmue]

12. Depends on what one means by that

It can be debated what 'a Biblical view' is.

[NaturalHigh]

14. That's what I was thinking too.

[Zorra]

15. Read this: Captive Virgins, Polygamy, Sex Slaves: What Marriage Would Look Like if We Actually

Followed the Bible.
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Polygamy is a norm in the Old Testament and accepted in the New Testament. Biblicalpolygamy.com has pages dedicated to 40 biblical figures, each of whom had multiple wives. The list includes patriarchs like Abraham and Isaac. King David, the first king of Israel may have limited himself to eight wives, but his son Solomon, reputed to be the wisest man who ever lived had 700 wives and 300 concubines! (1 Kings 11)

Concubines are sex slaves, and the Bible gives instructions on acquisition of several types of sex slaves, although the line between biblical marriage and sexual slavery is blurry. A Hebrew man might, for example, sell his daughter to another Hebrew, who then has certain obligations to her once she is used. For example, he can’t then sell her to a foreigner. Alternately a man might see a virgin war captive that he wants for himself.
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Since many Christians haven’t read the whole Bible, most “Bible believers” are not, as they like to claim, actually Bible believers. Biblical literalists, even those who think themselves “nondenominational,” almost all follow some theological tradition that tells them which parts of the Bible to follow and how. Yes, sometimes even decent people do get sucked into a sort of text worship that I call bibliolatry, and Bible worship can make a person’s moral priorities as archaic and cruel as those of the Iron Age tribesmen who wrote the texts. (I once listened, horrified, while a sweet, elderly pair of Jehovah’s Witnesses rationalized the Old Testament slaughter of children with the same words Nazis used to justify the slaughter of Jewish babies.)

But many who call themselves Bible believers are simply, congenitally conservative – meaning change-resistant. It is not the Bible they worship so much as the status quo, which they justify by invoking ancient texts. Gay marriage will come, as will reproductive rights, and these Bible believers will adapt to the change as they have others: reluctantly, slowly and with angry protests, but in the end accepting it, and perhaps even insisting that it was God’s will all along.

Yes, I suppose that many conservative "christians", such as the Faith Driven Consumer types spewing their hypocrisy in the OP, may hold the biblical view of sexuality, marriage, and family, described in the article above, but thank the goddess that our democratic laws won't let them get away with most of it.

Research suggests American divorce rates are highest among "Bible-believing" Christians

LGBT are "full of murder" - Phil Robertson]

Lie much, Mr. Robertson? Bear false witness against your neighbor much? Mr. Robertson?

Hate Kills.

Highest Number Of Anti-Gay Murders Ever Reported In 2011: The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs

256 Transgender People Murdered In 2012

https://www.google.com/search?q=pastors+molesting+children&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US

Marriage and Divorce

(Data are for the U.S.)

Number of marriages: 2,118,000
Marriage rate: 6.8 per 1,000 total population
Divorce rate: 3.6 per 1,000 population (44 reporting States and D.C.)

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