For those of you that can't stand fluorescent and LED light and like incandescent

[Drew Richards]

and are looking for a resource for incandescents after the ban goes into effect...

Here are the same bulbs used in stairwells they are long life bulbs and will not be banned.

Two sites.

One with the extra long life bulbs that I love...I have had some from here for 7 years still working...and another site I just found that looks interesting with moderate prices but not the super long lasting ones that I prefer...

Standard size light bulbs are A19's

http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/IncanLL

http://www.newcandescent.com/store/customer/

[Jesus Malverde]

1. Awesome thanks!!..nt

[Curmudgeoness]

2. Remind me of these resources

in about twenty years, when my stock is used up.

I do use fluorescents in most of my lighting devices, but there are some places where they just don't work or I do not want them. I have yet to try the LED lights. I am waiting for the prices to drop.

[Drew Richards]

5. I dont know what it is with fluoruscents but long exposure to them make me feel weak and LED

makes me feel im going blind in my periphial vision.

Incandescents just are what I am used to, not sure, but I know i use them in most locations except the garage.

Besides incanscent grow lights make me feel GOOOOOOD...a couple hours under a grow light an i perk up all I need is water.

[truedelphi]

12. Have you considered the possiblity that you are

A plant?

(Seriously, I know exactly how you feel, and have the same reactions to light myself.)

[Drew Richards]

14. Well i do tend to fight a lot of zombies and collect suns...so....Maybe :)

For you lovers...Laura Shigihara


Zombies on the lawn

and for you world of warcraft gamers

Blood elf druid

[Curmudgeoness]

15. Ah, so that is my problem with being at work all day!

All fluorescent all the time. Like I said, I cannot afford to try LED lights yet. I know just what you mean about being used to incandescents. But it is not just being used to them that is my problem. I cannot use CFLs in my outdoor porch lights because they don't work in the cold. And I must have the one incandescent light in the basement in the winter, because the fluorescents will not work when it is really cold down there. And I do not want to look at myself in my bathroom mirror with fluorescent lighting. And I don't feel guilty about it in the bathroom, since CFLs are not saving energy unless they are on at least 15 minutes---and how often am I in the bathroom for more than a minute or two.

But I can tolerate CFL's in the lamps that I use all evening.

[Duckhunter935]

17. just use one the more

efficient incandescent lights that will still be sold and widely available. The new 72 watts put out the same as the old 100 watt. Still will be able to be sold.

[Curmudgeoness]

19. I was unaware that there were more efficient incandescents.

Too bad that I have a case of bulbs that I bought when the "ban" was first announced and after running into problems with CFLs, which were the only bulbs I knew about at the time.

Ah well, they will run out sooner or later.

[djean111]

3. Thanks!!!!!!

[BlueStreak]

4. Can you recommend a good vehicle that gets 12 MPG and belches toxic smoke?

I'm in the market, and it is tough since they don't sell Hummers anymore.

And do you have any advice about the best way to dispose of used motor oil? Should I pour it down the storm sewer or just dump it in the nearest pond?

[madinmaryland]

7. ^^^ THIS ^^^

[Drew Richards]

8. Really? you log into this thread just to post a snide snarky remark? Really?

[NutmegYankee]

16. Well...

This should answer the first question:


And the answer to the second is neither. You dump it on your dirt driveway to keep the dust down.

Any other questions?

[oneshooter]

18. Wrong, you dump it along your fence, so you won't have to edge.

[Vashta Nerada]

20. Nice straw man.

[BlueStreak]

24. It isn't a straw man. The proposition is to circumvent the move to better efficiency.

No straw man to it. That is what the OP is advocating.

My comparison was actually generous. The real comparison would be a vehicle that gets about 5 MPG. because CFLs and LEDs are both about 7 times more efficient than Edison lights.

[Vashta Nerada]

25. My eyes can't handle CFLs.

I get migraines from CFLs and they're too damn bright. Not only that, they're expensive.

Sometimes people have valid reasons not to upgrade to the "better" thing.

[uppityperson]

27. CFLs are more toxic that incadescents are, not bleching toxic smoke, so it is a straw man

And what does pouring used motor oil on the ground have to do with this?

Answer, nothing. You are talking about pollution and now claiming better efficiency.

[BlueStreak]

29. Do you know where electricity comes from?

Hint: It is not the electricity fairy.

LEDs do not have the pollution concerns of either CFLs or incandescent bulbs.

[uppityperson]

30. LEDs are the way to go, am glad they are going down in price, will be happy when they

become more affordable.

[NoOneMan]

31. I just bought an old 70's truck that meets the description

Cost a few hundred. Perfect for materials and dump runs. I figure it was better for the environment than involving myself in the production required to raise $40K for a new fuel efficient truck (and thereby handing that $40K to a corporation ready to throw it at more production)

[BlueStreak]

34. I have a bunch od Edison bulbs I replaced with LEDs

I guess I will keep them for a few years and offer them for $100 each on eBay once everybody gets real desperate.

That's my retirement plan.

[surrealAmerican]

6. I don't much like fluorescents ...

... but LEDs are fine. I just wish they were less expensive.

[Duckhunter935]

9. they will get there

They have already dropped massively from when they started a couple of years ago.

[PasadenaTrudy]

11. I just bought some

They were just under $10 each. I was expecting them to be more expensive.

[Drew Richards]

13. LED's are not too bad but I have used them at work and home and here is what I have found so far

When they first are used they are bright but more a focused direction emmination rather than unidirectional.

After they have been run for 80 hours and been turned on and off a bunch of times some of the LEDs fail and then the light gets dimmer and wierdly directional. It makes you feel like you have blind spots in your eyes and I DON'T like that feeling.

Granted these were early versions of the replacement for 60 watt incandescent light bulbs and technology is progressing but when I purchased these they were $30 down to $22...now the same bulbs are $5 and are much better at lighting a room; are still more directional than uni-directional...but, they still dont last very long before some of the diodes seem to fail or dim.

When the price drops more I will consider them again.

[BlueStreak]

21. I haven't had any LED failures

I had a few CFL failures. I stopped buying these after the third one went up in smoke, literally. Seemed dangerous. They are OK when they are not in an enclosure that builds up heat.

The LED's I bought 3 years ago aren't great light, but the ones I get today are terrific. Some are whiter than we might be accustomed to, but I don't see that as a problem.

I have been gradually replacing all the floodlights in my house with LEDs. I only buy the ones that are at least 750 lumens. Phillips makes one that is only 10W for 750 lumens. This is about the same amount and quality of useful light from the incandescent bulbs I replace. That will last a lot longer than I will stay in this house -- easily 20 years. At $20, this is a no-brainer because it is an area that we illuminate frequently. I am working my way toward the areas where the lights are on only a few hours a week. Over time, the LEDs will get cheap enough for those to make sense.

I just don't understand anybody clinging to wasteful Edison lights at this stage.

[uppityperson]

28. If you turn your lights on and off, CFL's don't last as long. They last longer if the light is left

on. That is one reason we use incandescents in our bathroom. We tried CFL's but they didn't last. They may have used less energy in that fixture but ended up costing more overall.

LEDs are the way to go and it will be great when they get more affordable. I am all for doing that.

[BlueStreak]

32. Again, I've never had one fail

At this stage, I probably have 25 of them in my house and some have been around for 4 years or more. I also have about 20 battery powered LEDs with very high output Luxeon LEDs, designed for musicians. The casings have failed in 3 or 4 of those, but the electronics never have. Before that, I assembled LED lights for my musician friends. I used over 250 LEDs during that era and am not aware of any failures of the LEDs, although a solder connection here and there might have been broken. Those were the second generation "bright white" LEDs that are still used in cheap-ass LEDs. I don't buy any of those. I always buy the surface mount units with a single Luxeon-style diode. Those can go up to about 1000 lumens now. They generally cost over $20, but still an economic and environmental no-brainer for any situation where you use the light more than about 8 hours a week.

The LED device itself practically NEVER fails, regardless of how many times it is cycled. The driver circuitry might fail, but still should have a life expectancy of over 15 years regardless of the number of times cycled.

[uppityperson]

37. We have had CFLs fail as well as worries when they get broken. LEDs are good

[Kablooie]

26. Beware of cheap LEDs

I've bought some cheap ones of various sizes and they all went out within 6months.

[BlueStreak]

33. I recommend avoiding any LED light that uses more than one diode

That usually means they are using "bright white" LED technology from 4 or 5 years ago. And the more parts, the greater possibility of failure. I have never had a failure of any LED lamp that used a single surface-mount Luxeon-style diode.

[davidpdx]

36. I agree

We paid $27 a piece here in Korea for two light bulbs to put in our bathroom.

In all the other rooms (with the exception of the entry way and the small veranda) the lights are florescent. If and when we ever decide to do some remodeling I may have those fixtures swapped out for ones I can use LED lights. The LED lights also have this little box (I have no idea what it does) that when it goes out the whole box replaced which entails cutting wires and rewiring the new one. That happened to us last month and I was able to find the materials, but wasn't brave enough to try doing it myself. I'm hoping that won't happen again.

[RC]

10. I like CFL's

I look for Daylight, above 5000K, ideally 5500K.
Those that say they put out the same color light as an incandescent, do not. I have yet to find one. They are a yucky orange color.

[diane in sf]

22. The lightbulbs Ive been using all year that I thought were incandescent are halogens.

They are daylight/full spectrum and very comfortable for reading and close work for me, unlike LEDs and CFL. They look just like a regular bulb, but they use less energy and last longer.

I find CFLs too murky and green and LEDs blindingly blue and bright for close work, but LEDs have probably improved in the last year.

[Matariki]

23. Thanks for the links!

What I find interesting is how what is essentially the same bulb can have two different life spans - one being twice as long as the other.

example:
http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/ICLL_A21

Makes it pretty obvious that light-bulbs are designed with a planned failure time.

[NuclearDem]

35. LED lights come in many different brightnesses

We recently converted the whole house to LED, and we specifically bought the ones that most resemble incandescent light.

[krispos42]

38. Buy halogen bulbs

They are still incandescent. using an electrically heated element to create light, but they burn hotter, so they are more efficient.

not as efficient as CFL & LED bulbs, but better then regular incandescent.

LED bulbs don't flicker, FWIW