Snowden's Christmas message

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With all the hype ahead of Snowden's message imho it didn't deliver what was promised. I expected more — details, specifics, something other than big general threats about how the NSA is spying on us.

That's stuff we already knew.

I just expected more.

And then it was over in what, five minutes if that?

Seems there's less there than meets the eye, a huge moment before the world and we get regurgitated, general warnings — WTF? Does he even know what's in the info he downloaded?

[lamp_shade]

1. Why it's referred to as a "Christmas Message" I'll never understand.

[treestar]

2. He starts it out by saying "Merry Christmas"

Probably labeled that to give it more drama, so it can be referred to in that grand way.

[lamp_shade]

3. There ya go!!!

Egotistical little bastid.

[ucrdem]

5. Zip to do with Christmas.

Shameless.

[bemildred]

13. Close to Christmas Day was my guess. nt

[ucrdem]

14. "aired on Christmas Day at 4:15 p.m. local time in England."

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-edward-snowdens-alternative-christmas-message/

That's pretty close.

[Whisp]

25. It could be a reference to Santa knowing when you are naughty and nice, like the NSA...

or maybe even Jesus' dad - he was the grandpappy of surveillance, knowing every thought you have or will ever have.

[ucrdem]

4. Cluelessness cubed.

On Christmas morning the only "child born today" that occurs to him is Orwell.

[bemildred]

6. Well, it is interesting that Snowden is arguing his case directly in the media now.

So, clearly he has not been silenced.

What's the saying, first they ignore you, then they attack you, then you win? We seem to be leaving the ignore you part behind, no more "we aren't spying on you", now it's "we have every right to spy on you."

[ucrdem]

7. No, it's "hey, this clown's story is a crock of er, baloney."

Greenwald auctioning off interviews and banking a quarter $bil from the guy who owns PayPal was the clue for a lot of people who got fooled the first time.

[bemildred]

8. Right, see you guys are having to argue directly with him now, like that there.

Trying to refute his argument, or dismiss it, or whatever. Losing. It's all ad hominems, no denials of any asserted facts.

[ucrdem]

9. What facts? There was no warrantless wiretapping. No illegal activity.

Lots of compliance reports thanks to the Obama-approved compliance budget. Those facts? The rest is sound and fury signifying yet another teabag Benghazi.

[bemildred]

10. You are making my case you know. nt

[ucrdem]

11. Well in that case . . .

no charge!

[bemildred]

12. Keep up the good fight! nt

[ucrdem]

15. Thank you!

[Lifelong Dem]

20. Here is O'Donnell and Joy Reid on facts

[ljm2002]

18. You seem to have a basic misunderstanding...

...of how things work. Specifically, when a "guy who owns PayPal" finances a new venture to the tune of $250M, said $250M does not go directly into the bank account of the first person he hires.

You're welcome.

[PowerToThePeople]

16. Patriot

[ucrdem]

17. Pair

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. Incoherent.

Question #1: what hype did you listen to specifically, and what did it promise?

#2: Did Ed Snowden call this his "Christmas message"?

#3: how have you determined that Snowden gave us nothing new when the entire globe disagrees with you?

From your faulty "analysis", you unsurprisingly came up with a faulty conclusion, that it seems to you there's less than meets the eye. If you want to hate Ed Snowden, then that's what you're going to do. If you want to argue that point, however, you're going to need to bring something a little more competent to the table.

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21. Get real! You're telling me you learned something new from that?

What was it. Pls share it with me and the rest of the entire globe. The NSA is spying? That's new?

And yeah, I expected a whole lot more from him.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. You have a series of questions that have been put to you

Your response leads me to believe you don't intend to address those questions.

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23. You're right.

Who are you to "put a series of questions to me."

Defend it all you want but that little 5 minute address added nothing new.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

24. Who am I? I'm the person who asked you to justify your OP

I'm also the person who just noted that you're not able to do that.

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26. I'm not the only one who thinks there's a little less . . .

to Snowden than meets the eye.

Check out this link:

http://egbertowillies.com/2013/12/27/snowden-edward-nsa-surveillance/

Here are a couple of quotes:

"After seeing Snowden for the first time I was extremely doubtful of him, not that the surveillance program isn’t real, — hell, we knew this since 2006 — but the messenger and the statements he was making were problematic. I am a software developer and knew immediately part of his statement showed a severe lack of actual software knowledge."

"Snowden is not a hero. He brought little more than what was known since 2006. As a software developer that programmed in machine language, assembly language, many high level languages, and one who worked on TCPIP as well as internetworking, I can state categorically that many of his technical statements are simply false. His statement about children growing up in a world without privacy and that being wrong is presumptuous. There has been a culture change with respect to privacy. Mr. Snowden may not like it. However, the Facebook generation is happy to lay it out. That is their choice."

[DisgustipatedinCA]

27. I checked it out

I am a network engineer by trade, and I have been for 20 years. Snowden hasn't made any claims that aren't technically feasible, and this blogger did nothing to show otherwise.