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ATF officials defend agents but open door to new training
Group questions use of mentally disabled people in operation
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/atf-officials-defend-agents-but-open-door-to-new-training-b99168892z1-237078101.html
In a meeting with a disability rights group, top ATF officials defended undercover agents who ensnared mentally disabled people in storefront stings across the nation, but also agreed to consider new training to avoid it happening in the future.
Peter Berns, head of The Arc, met with ATF officials in Washington last week, after he sent a searing letter to Attorney General Eric Holder saying he was "appalled" by the findings of a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel investigation.
The investigation found that the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives used rogue tactics in storefront stings in cities from Portland, Ore., to Pensacola, Fla., using mentally disabled individuals to promote the operations and then turning around and arrested them.
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In Milwaukee, agents hired Chauncey Wright, who has an IQ of 54, to work at the storefront and arrange for drug and gun deals, later arresting him for his work.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that with all of this surveillance they could actually catch wrong-doers. Instead, they are creating them out of innocent people. Make no mistake, someone with an IQ of 54 or a juvenile (which they also used) is a VICTIM in this kind of bullshit, not a criminal. It's the people that set them up that are the real criminals here.
Billions in tax dollars for the security state, yet they have to ruin the life of juveniles and those that are mentally disabled. Sad and criminal.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)louis-t
(23,295 posts)It makes no sense to make this a policy. This sounds like a hit piece. The article says "stings in cities from Portland, Ore., to Pensacola, Fla., " making it sound like there were hundreds or thousands of them. The article then admits there were 5 cases in question. This reminds me of the Fast and Furious "scandal".
Aerows
(39,961 posts)And how about them luring in juveniles by allowing them to drink and play video games? There is something awfully wrong at these agencies if with all of this surveillance apparatus they can't find guilty people without using people that would otherwise be innocent and setting them up.
Something horribly, awfully fucking wrong.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)There were a lot of accusations in the Fast and Furious "scandal" that turned out to be manufactured by NRA types.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that got charged, and the others that were (somehow) found competent to stand trial are faking it? Are you joking?
kcr
(15,317 posts)The ATF defends it. That's a clue they're doing it. Not to mention the poor victims actually being charged. You think that's made up?
louis-t
(23,295 posts)Hoo-boy, this really stinks. Preying on desperate people to run up their arrest numbers. I would hope these cases are few and far between.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They set up people that might otherwise just be disgruntled with the government and encourage then help them carry out "terrorist" attacks to make it seem like they are doing something.
That's what pisses me off about all the money we are wasting on the NSA. All of that, and they have to entrap, coerce and prey on desperate or innocent people to justify their existence.
kcr
(15,317 posts)I can't imagine being so heartless to do something like that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The newspaper's investigation found the operation, dubbed Fearless Distributing, was marred by far more than the landlord knew. A machine gun and other weapons had been stolen from an agent's car, the storefront was burglarized, agents arrested the wrong people and hired the brain-damaged man, who had an IQ of 54, to set up gun and drug deals.
The machine gun has not been recovered.
Read more from Journal Sentinel: http://www.jsonline.com/tablet/specialreports/atf-uses-rogue-tactics-in-storefront-stings-across-the-nation-b99146765z1-234916641.html#ixzz2oi5jxgiz
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Feel free to read the entire article. Numerous incidents are listed. Do you think http://www.thearc.org/ sent a letter to Eric Holder for no reason? Do you think Eric Holder agreed to investigate for no reason?
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/justice-department-supports-probe-into-atf-rogue-tactics-b99160443z1-235180371.html
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They did some horrible things.
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/atf-uses-rogue-tactics-in-storefront-stings-across-the-nation-b99146765z1-234916641.html
The scope of what they did goes beyond just entrapping the mentally ill, they preyed on juveniles, too. They tore up buildings and stuck the landlords with the bill.
Marblehead
(1,268 posts)sounds like to me
madville
(7,410 posts)When it involves the ATF or DEA