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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:26 PM Dec 2013

If the younger group do not think they should have to purchase health insurance because

there might be a larger amount of funds paid to the older citizens then my question is why should the older group allow the younger group to use our roads, utilities, etc since this has already been paid for by the older groups.

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If the younger group do not think they should have to purchase health insurance because (Original Post) Thinkingabout Dec 2013 OP
Young people don't think that Drale Dec 2013 #1
+1 jeff47 Dec 2013 #14
If the younger group do not think they should have to purchase health insurance because PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #2
Kind of a reverse Logan's Run, eh? Fumesucker Dec 2013 #3
It is as good reasoning for them to understand they are using roads, schools etc Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #4
Roads are constant projects FYI NoOneMan Dec 2013 #10
Older people paid for the public schools, whether or not they had children. pnwmom Dec 2013 #15
Good thing they last forever and have magic robot teachers NoOneMan Dec 2013 #16
Who do you think you are telling, I am quiet aware roads needs to repaired all the time, my point Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #17
I just don't think making it about age and the time when things were procured is at all helpful NoOneMan Dec 2013 #19
I would have loved to have a national health care, it would be cheaper for all and cut out Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #20
Should road use be based on the taxes you pay? former9thward Dec 2013 #5
Just how was the cost of the roads paid at the time of construction? Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #6
If we're going by who has actually paid for the roads, then old and young drivers should get... JVS Dec 2013 #7
Ummm Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #8
I don't think age should have a bearing on who pays what. Rather, wealth/income should NoOneMan Dec 2013 #9
Younger people think they shouldn't have to purchase health insurance SheilaT Dec 2013 #11
Maybe if young people had decent jobs, they would have insurance...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #12
I didn't have health insurance from 18-22 years old madville Dec 2013 #13
You thought one more step than many (banckruptcy) etherealtruth Dec 2013 #18

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. Young people don't think that
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:45 PM
Dec 2013

Old Fat White Republicans tell people that young people think that, to try and make them hate the ACA.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
2. If the younger group do not think they should have to purchase health insurance because
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:47 PM
Dec 2013

there might be a larger amount of funds paid to the older insurance executives then...

Good for them!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. It is as good reasoning for them to understand they are using roads, schools etc
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:13 PM
Dec 2013

already paid. I do not want to cast any group out but facts are facts.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
10. Roads are constant projects FYI
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:31 PM
Dec 2013

They degrade and need work all the time. New ones are being built. Infrastructure is being upgraded. Towns that grow need bypasses.


The US wasn't done building roads 50 years ago anymore than they were done taking care of people's health needs

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
16. Good thing they last forever and have magic robot teachers
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:48 PM
Dec 2013

Thanks for kicking it all in so we young people can live free

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. Who do you think you are telling, I am quiet aware roads needs to repaired all the time, my point
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:49 PM
Dec 2013

Was the road beds property was purchased before the younger ones was born, paid for tb those who are older. There are many things other than roads, it was just a simple example of something we all use, young and old. If the assumption is the young feel like nit purchasing health insurance because they may nit need the coverage at the moment, this could change suddenly. Health care for all, roads for all, the system works best if all contribute, and are not so greedy. Our defense, police, fire departments are for all to have access to use, cost has to be shared.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
19. I just don't think making it about age and the time when things were procured is at all helpful
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:54 PM
Dec 2013

From each according to our ability to each according to their need. That is really the philosophy behind tax funded services that benefit the people.

Now, being that health insurance is still a free market piece of shit, and traditional liberals abandoned their principles to pass it, that whole argument becomes murky. That's why shitty arguments about why "the young" shouldn't have to pay don't sound so shitty, and you have to wrap yourself up in a pretzel to justify it.

The bottom line is that the state should be funding these programs for everyone, and the rich (not young or old) should pay a higher proportion of their income to fund it.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. I would have loved to have a national health care, it would be cheaper for all and cut out
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 08:13 PM
Dec 2013

Expenses which does not have anything to do with providing health care such as large salaries going to CEO but this is not what has passed. A friend broke her ankle while visiting in France, in three hours after arriving in a medical facility she left after seeing a doctor, had xrays and referred to orthopedic which placed her leg in a cast within three hours and at a cost of $35. If she would have been a French citizen it would have cost $8. In France a citizen can get health care for $10 a month and $30 a month for a Cadillac policy. No lines in France but she had to wait for twelve days to get a referral to an orthopedic in the US, the lines the GOP talk about is in the US.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
5. Should road use be based on the taxes you pay?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:19 PM
Dec 2013

Young people do pay for their utilities. Should Bill Gates have exclusive road use because he has pays more taxes in a month than you will in your lifetime?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. Just how was the cost of the roads paid at the time of construction?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:27 PM
Dec 2013

When many of the roads was constructed these younger folks who do not want to purchase health insurance was not born. I did not say road use should be based on taxes paid by the individual, and if the younger group lives long enough then the younger group will be paying towards the health care of themselves. I have paid for health insurance during my life, it was the smart thing to do. I wish we had a national health insurance but it did not happen.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
7. If we're going by who has actually paid for the roads, then old and young drivers should get...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:39 PM
Dec 2013

out of China's way.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. Ummm
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:19 PM
Dec 2013

What about the fact they may already be paying taxes for public infrastructure and utilities? Young people do pay local sales taxes, property taxes, state income taxes when appropriate, federal income taxes, etc. Your argument could also be turned against the poor who may pay low to no taxes after credits, government assistance and whatnot.

Perhaps a different line of argument would be better.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
9. I don't think age should have a bearing on who pays what. Rather, wealth/income should
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:29 PM
Dec 2013

The young (who have little wealth normally) and the fixed-income elderly should both be paying next to nothing for their health care IMHO.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
11. Younger people think they shouldn't have to purchase health insurance
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 05:21 PM
Dec 2013

because for the most part they are very healthy and can't imagine needing it.

madville

(7,410 posts)
13. I didn't have health insurance from 18-22 years old
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 05:43 PM
Dec 2013

I always just figured if something catastrophic happened I would rack up a bunch of bills and then declare bankruptcy.

Of course now 20 years later and having a house, family, good credit and building retirement/savings that seems like a horrible idea.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
18. You thought one more step than many (banckruptcy)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:51 PM
Dec 2013

I think the vast majority of us thought we were invincible when in that age group ... by the time we hit our 40s and (gasp) 50s we knew that there wasn't anything even approaching invincibility.

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