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riqster

(13,986 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:07 AM Dec 2013

Congress is being bribed to kill the Postal Service. Even though they do better than FedEx or UPS.

http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/congress-is-being-bribed-to-kill-the-postal-service-even-though-they-do-a-better-job-than-fedex-or-ups/
"You may have heard about UPS and FedEx f***ing up during the Christmas rush. You may not have heard that the Postal Service did better than either of their competitors. You probably did not hear that they covered for UPS and FedEx, delivering thousands upon thousands of packages that the much-ballyhooed “overnight” delivery companies couldn’t handle. And the USPS accomplished this feat in spite of being put at a massive competitive disadvantage by Congress, back in 2006.

That disadvantage?They imposed a regulation so burdensome as to to destroy the agency: a 55-billion-dollar-a-year pension pre-payment requirement on the USPS that NONE of their competitors have to pay. Hell, no other agency or company in the USA has to pay it. And the Congress imposed this ridiculous tax upon the USPS after being bribed to do so by the likes of UPS. Bribed? Yes, bribed. Calling them “campaign contributions” is a nice fiction, but we are calling spades by their rightful names here.

For example: co-sponsor Susan Collins got $22,160.00 from UPS, just in 2006. Joe Lieberman is an even cheaper lay: $5,000.00 from FedEx in 2006. And then they passed the post-office-killing bill by a “voice vote”, which allows legislators to avoid going on the official record. Not just whores, but cowardly whores.

Of course, the House is on the take, too: let’s look at just one of the sponsors:

From 2001 through 2010 Shuster received $29,500 from Fed-Ex, $6,000 from Koch Industries PAC, and $36,500 from UPS. In the 2011-2012 election cycle, according to OpenSecrets.org, Fed-Ex has given Shuster $7,500. UPS has given $ 5,000.

All of these mutts want to privatize the postal service. And who would take over after privatization? Why, shucky darn, what a coinkeedink, it would be UPS and FedEx. We would pay more and get less, as our elected “representatives” laugh all the way to their Swiss bank accounts.

Realize this: UPS and FedEx suck so hard, they have to use the Postal Service to deliver a huge number of items every day. They pay a pittance for this service, and pocket the profits. And act like they deserve credit for the deliveries. Bull-f***ing-s***. The Post Office deserves credit for bailing out their incompetent and inefficient private competitors.

Bitching about the USPS is a time-honored tradition, and this writer does his share. But the private-sector alternatives cost more and stink worse. And the foulest stench of all comes from Capitol Hill, where those greedy motherf***ers are lining their pockets and trying to screw us even worse than we already have been."


Lots of source material at the link.
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Congress is being bribed to kill the Postal Service. Even though they do better than FedEx or UPS. (Original Post) riqster Dec 2013 OP
I don't hear any reports about the postal service scrambling to deliver late Christmas packages liberal N proud Dec 2013 #1
They also have to deliver to everyone. riqster Dec 2013 #5
I think they could raise their rates MynameisBlarney Dec 2013 #8
It depends on where they're shipping to and from. pnwmom Dec 2013 #41
They are... mimi85 Dec 2013 #85
"They" cannot. SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #89
My wife and I have been going out of our way to use the USPS more and more. onehandle Dec 2013 #2
Us, too. riqster Dec 2013 #3
46 cents USPS vs $12.50 UPS...... for a LETTER! ErikJ Dec 2013 #35
That is why they are trying to take that business away from the USPS. riqster Dec 2013 #37
EXACTLY...!!!! ardy Dec 2013 #48
Privatization mean PROFITS for the greedy. glinda Dec 2013 #58
As a former USPS city carrier, I never use anything but the post office. Those Nay Dec 2013 #91
I always use the post office wilt the stilt Dec 2013 #4
Good one to use. I just don't hear many complaints in my area. It's mostly wingnuts who say it here. freshwest Dec 2013 #32
Good thread malaise Dec 2013 #6
And to you! riqster Dec 2013 #7
The Post Office is in the Constitution--they CAN'T get rid of it Demeter Dec 2013 #9
They could privatize it. Another way of killing it. riqster Dec 2013 #12
No, they can't. Not any more than they have. Demeter Dec 2013 #18
Yes, Congress can, all they have to say is UPS is the Post Office. happyslug Dec 2013 #72
Awesome post. riqster Dec 2013 #73
They may not be able to get rid of it entirely mac56 Dec 2013 #13
Unfortunately they could. They already got the ruling back in 1969 or 1970. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #71
I always use the USPS to send things. HappyMe Dec 2013 #10
Congress doesn't work for Us - they work for the 1% FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #11
You got that right. nt riqster Dec 2013 #14
WTF? Octoberfurst Dec 2013 #15
The reason? The payments from FedEx and UPS. riqster Dec 2013 #20
This was a poison pill . . . aggiesal Dec 2013 #36
The reason? BobUp Dec 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #59
I live in a rural area. I can see the post office down the street. mountain grammy Dec 2013 #16
Oh yeah. Also some blighted urban areas. riqster Dec 2013 #19
My job requires me to be shipping packages all the time. Jetboy Dec 2013 #17
Replace "even though" in your OP title with "because" n/t Fumesucker Dec 2013 #21
When you are right, you're right. riqster Dec 2013 #26
+1 a significant amount.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #82
Yep, USPS handles 160 billion pieces of mail per year, mbperrin Dec 2013 #22
the last sentence up there is the funniest damn thing iv'e read all week... Volaris Dec 2013 #87
I don't understand the hate/complaining about USPS Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #23
That last sentence is the killer question. riqster Dec 2013 #29
The PTB say we aren't using it anymore AllyCat Dec 2013 #56
Maybe not as much as we did in "the olden days" Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #75
I agree with you, but the media tells us otherwise. AllyCat Dec 2013 #94
I hate that this is happening, and speak publicly about it often. byronius Dec 2013 #24
The USPS got all my xmas packages there a day before they said they would this year. cags Dec 2013 #25
Republican cronies have their eyes on some of the most valuable randr Dec 2013 #27
Diane Feinstein's husband is selling it off at this summerschild Dec 2013 #39
Like vultures pickin at the bones of America randr Dec 2013 #65
Is HR 1351 still being pushed or is there a new fix for this GOP nonsense? KurtNYC Dec 2013 #28
I believe it is still being blocked by the GOP. riqster Dec 2013 #44
We really can't say this enough, so I hope that your thread senseandsensibility Dec 2013 #30
USPS is a bargain ramapo Dec 2013 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #33
Thanks back atcha, Uncle Joe. riqster Dec 2013 #34
My First Thought When I Heard of the FedEx/UPS Fiasco Stainless Dec 2013 #38
And all the Fox Addicts spreading the lies about how the USPS is soooo bad. riqster Dec 2013 #40
Kicking! go west young man Dec 2013 #42
If only one of these three services survives I prefer it be the US Postal Service. GoneFishin Dec 2013 #43
If the USPS goes down, triple rates AND less service from the other two. riqster Dec 2013 #45
A reader pointed this out: riqster Dec 2013 #46
We need to fight this. I live 10 miles from the nearest post office. jwirr Dec 2013 #47
I think the subject line of that blog post is a little extreme! George II Dec 2013 #49
Seems fair to me. But then, UPS isn't giving me tens of thousands of dollars in bribes. riqster Dec 2013 #54
Well, let's just look at the contribution from UPS... George II Dec 2013 #68
weak attempt nt U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #88
Reality George II Dec 2013 #92
These same "bribes" are what is ruining this country by taking away any semblance of Representative Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #50
"The Ed Show" gets it right - mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #51
USPS Flat Rate Priority shipping. Free franking. Best things ever for personal and small business. haele Dec 2013 #52
This post should be an OP. riqster Dec 2013 #53
Excellent post malaise Dec 2013 #64
Amen CaptCaribbean Dec 2013 #55
Much of the country is a right-wing echo chamber. riqster Dec 2013 #60
They busted Madame Marie, too. n/t Orsino Dec 2013 #61
Soul crushing Shibainu Dec 2013 #62
Not directed at you. riqster Dec 2013 #63
Large business shipping is what UPS was set up to do. haele Dec 2013 #67
Well put! riqster Dec 2013 #69
Oh no! I'm a rural carrier and saw you guys out hoofing it also! GobBluth Dec 2013 #70
Indeed! riqster Dec 2013 #74
Strange coincidence: JDPriestly Dec 2013 #66
Whoever has the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, MAKES THE RULES. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #76
The true "golden rule". riqster Dec 2013 #79
Our New and Improved Congress 2.0 does NOTHING unless bribed to do so. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2013 #77
The "capitalism can do it better" meme is pure bullshit KansDem Dec 2013 #78
Where are the mass xxqqqzme Dec 2013 #80
This is an example of, "Our Party leaving us." Enthusiast Dec 2013 #81
One more example of taking over swilton Dec 2013 #83
Bought cheaply Moral Compass Dec 2013 #84
K&R. USPS regularly delivers for UPS/FedEx in areas that the others deem "unprofitable". El_Johns Dec 2013 #86
Subsidizing is the word all right. riqster Dec 2013 #93
USPS should offer encrypted privacy rights protected email, as well as mobile internet/phone service grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #90

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
1. I don't hear any reports about the postal service scrambling to deliver late Christmas packages
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:16 AM
Dec 2013

The USPS is one of the most efficient agencies in the world.

Their prices compete or beat the private shipping companies too.


pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
41. It depends on where they're shipping to and from.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:28 PM
Dec 2013

What they do is undercut the post office in packages to and from major cities. But if you are sending to or from a smaller town or city, the rates are much, much higher.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
85. They are...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:40 PM
Dec 2013

from 46 cents to 49. I think it's the first of the year. I wish they would just round the numbers off. 50 cents sounds reasonable to me.

SomeGuyInEagan

(1,515 posts)
89. "They" cannot.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:33 AM
Dec 2013

USPS rates are set by the Postal Regulatory Commission, whose membership is nominated by the President and approved by the Senate.

Notice a trend here?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. My wife and I have been going out of our way to use the USPS more and more.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:17 AM
Dec 2013

It helps that we are currently walking distance from a Post Office.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
35. 46 cents USPS vs $12.50 UPS...... for a LETTER!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:09 PM
Dec 2013

Just out of curiosity I went in to a UPS store and asked them how much to mail a letter to someone a few states away. They said it would be $12.50. I used the post office instead and saved $12 dollars.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
58. Privatization mean PROFITS for the greedy.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:43 PM
Dec 2013

USPS is also more personalized and the few that want to own it see this as a huge money maker given the increasing online shopping.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
91. As a former USPS city carrier, I never use anything but the post office. Those
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:36 AM
Dec 2013

other services can drop dead. I hate that the Congress is bought off enough to try to KILL the post office -- it's just immoral.

I would love to see millions of people sending letters again; I know it won't happen, unless a fad starts or something, but as convenient as e-mail is, it will never make it to the next generation so they can see, for example, a letter or post card written by a grandmother they never knew. It's pretty sad.

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
4. I always use the post office
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:22 AM
Dec 2013

and anyone who bitches about it I tell them to send their mail by UPS or fedex. It's about $10.00 to $18.00 per letter. That shuts them up.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
7. And to you!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:42 AM
Dec 2013


I wrote it after seeing a lot of ignorance on FB. People actually don't know how badly the congress has handled this issue.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
9. The Post Office is in the Constitution--they CAN'T get rid of it
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:49 AM
Dec 2013

They can try to break the unions, though.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
72. Yes, Congress can, all they have to say is UPS is the Post Office.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:48 PM
Dec 2013
Article 1, Section 8,

The Congress shall have Power....

[Paragraph 7]To establish Post Offices and post Roads;


That is all the US Constitution says about Post offices. Stamps were 63 years in the future (70 years if you use the US use of Postal Stamps), thus if you sent a letter, you paid someone to take the mail, who then transferred that letter to other people, most of whom expected payment from the receiver of the letter. The Postal Stamp was invented to show payment HAD been made by the sender and whoever had the contract to drop of that letter did NOT have to depend on the receiver paying for the letter.

While the concept of pre paying for postage had been kicked around since the 1680s (When one person used a hand stamp on the letter to show someone prepaid to have the letter delivered), till England adopted its "Penney Black" in 1840, the norm was the receiver had to pay for delivery of the letter.

In the US, the Postal Stamp was NOT adopted till 1847 (Through some local Postal Master issued stamps as early as 1845).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postage_stamp

Even after that date, you had to go to the Post Office to pick up your mail. Home Delivery in urban areas did not start in the US till 1863 and Rural Free Delivery did not start till 1890 (Experimental only). In 1893 Congress finally approved the idea but it took till 1896 to get it started but not fully implemented nationwide till 1902:

http://www.postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/2b2_reaching.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Free_Delivery

Now the above involved letter service only, parcel post did not start till 1913:
http://www.postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/2b2f_parcel.html

Through the line between mail and packages was thin. In one case in the late 1800s a contractor who was building a bank determined it was cheaper to send each brick he needed by mail then by wagon. The Post Office at that point put a weight limit on packages, which of course force people to work around those limitations, which lead to Parcel Post .

1912-1920 is considered by many to be the height of the Post Office. Parcel Post was in place, RFD was in place. Most urban areas had twice a day mail delivery (Yes TWICE a day, six days a week, you could send a letter and get a letter in response on the same day). You could even deposit money into a savings (But NOT checking) accounts at the Post Office (This was implemented do to many immigrants from Europe expecting the US Post Office to provide such service, for in Europe, the National Post Offices in many nations provided such services. The banks complained and the Permission to provide such services was removed by Congressional action, but the Post Office retain the use of Postal Money Orders to this day). This system lasted till 1966. Its peak was doing the banking crisis of 1930-1933 (Unlike the banks, the Post Office remained open). You had to give 60 days notice to withdraw AND had to pay in DOLLARS (remember this is the day when most people used CHANGE not Dollar Bills, for example Streetcar fare was a Nickel, Bread was 8 cents, 1 pound of hamburger was 22 cents a pound, A dozen eggs was 18 cents). For deposits of less then a dollar the Post Office issued Savings stamps (which were big during WWII).

http://postalmuseum.si.edu/museum/1d_PostalSavings.html

The Commercial banks never liked the Post Office Bank, and the restrictions imposed on it was to discourage its use, i.e. dollar deposit only, at a time where most people only saved in terms of dimes, 60 day notice to withdraw and no checking. All designed to discouraged the use of the Post Office System. The problem was people still preferred it till the Banks finally had Congress outlaw it in 1966. Today it is proposed to bring it bank, this time with checking.

Also remember till long after WWII, most companies paid their employees in CASH not CHECK. While the movement to Checks instead of Cash started around 1900, it was still a very tiny minority when the bank crisis hit in 1930. One of the reasons for the bank crisis was employers needed to withdraw money from their banks to pay their employees, when other were also withdrawing money from the banks. Thus the Federal Government started to encourage institution of checks during the 1930s, and embraced the concept of Free Checking coming out of Pittsburgh. After WWII, the norm became issuing of checks, but as late as the 1980s the US Government issued troops in basic training checks and then had them cash them right then and there, thus the troops had cash. In some ways the worse of both worlds. Today the Military wants its Soldiers to have bank accounts for direct deposits

When the conversion to checks

By far the largest object ever moved through the Parcel Post System was a bank. Not all at once, of course, but practically brick by brick. When W. H. Coltharp, in charge of building the Bank of Vernal, Utah was confronted with the task of getting bricks for the bank, he turned to the Parcel Post Service. The bricks which Coltharp wanted were produced by the Salt Lake Pressed Brick Company, located 127 miles from Vernal. Instead of paying four times the cost of the bricks for them to be shipped by wagon freight, Coltharp arranged for the bricks to be shipped in 50-pound packages, through the Parcel Post Service, a ton at a time.

The Salt Lake City and Vernal postmasters as well as the Uintah Railroad, all responsible for hauling the bricks became frantic as tons of bricks piled up. Memos flew between postmasters and finally to Postmaster General Burleson. Although it was too late to stem the tide of bricks which threatened to overwhelm the tiny post office, Burleson and his staff rewrote the affecting legislation to limit to 200 pounds the total weight of parcel post which one consignor could send to one consignee in a day. In a letter announcing the amendment to the legislation, he noted that "it is not the intent of the United States Postal Service that buildings be shipped through the mail." In the end, all 40 tons of bricks were delivered for Coltharp's bank.

One of the oddest parcel post packages ever sent was "mailed" from Grangeville to Lewiston, Idaho on February 19, 1914. The 48 1/2 pound package was just short of the 50 pound limit. The name of the package was May Pierstorff, three months short of six years old.

May's parents decided to send their daughter for a visit with her grandparents, but were reluctant to pay the train fare. Noticing that there were no provisions in the parcel post regulations specifically concerning sending a person through the mails, they decided to "mail" their daughter. The postage, 53-cents in parcel post stamps, was attached to May's coat. This little girl traveled the entire distance to Lewiston in the train's mail compartment and was delivered to her grandmother's home by the mail clerk on duty, Leonard Mochel.


http://www.postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibits/2b2f_parcel.html

Now, can Congress abolish the Post Office? In my opinion yes, all Congress has to do is to provide Post Offices where people can go to pick up and drop off mail. Prior to the reforms of the 1840s, that was private companies, often local shop keepers. After the reforms of the 1840s (the introduction of Postal Stamps), it remained local shop keepers. Delivery to and from such shop keepers were by private contractors (Wells Fargo fought for the right to pick up and drop off such mail, it was a steady source of income for them, the passengers and other things shipped was extra profit, it was the postal contractors that paid for the horse, the feed for the horses, the wagon and the drivers).

Urban areas were not forgotten, in most areas mail was dropped off by local people, after 1890 by streetcar operators, and then by bus operators. This was a subsidy to such operation provided by the Post Office (and provided till the 1960s). Airlines were also given this subsidy, which continues to this day, in the form of space available mail service (i.e. if the airline has space NOT taken up by Luggage it gets to haul US Mail, thus rare for an airline to run empty in its baggage compartments) and in the 1920s and 1930s with direct payments to Airlines (Not to haul mail, but to run so mail may be sent by Air). Air Mail was a service that the mail would go by Air instead of by Train, but by the 1960s all mail was going by Air anyway, so Air Mail was discontinued.

Now the above "Subsidy" is NOT a direct subsidy in that the Post Office does not and did not pay for these services but the mail contract gave both the Streetcars operators, the bus operators and the Airlines a steady source of Income they could count on. Direct subsidies were much rarer, such as the payment to the Airlines in the 1920s and 1930s.

A problem for the Post Office Post WWII, was the collapse of the Passenger Train Service. Such Services were tied in with Express packages services and mail sent by train. These were all faster then regular freight service. With the collapse of Passenger Train Service the Post Office had to shift to private truck haulers. Such Contractors were preferred to the Post Office having their own trucks, for one of the mandates from Congress was for the Post Office to support local businesses. Thus, when it could, the Post Office used public Transit to drop off its mail to local post offices, and when it could not used its own trucks. On the other hand, for shipping from one main post office to another, after the demise of most passenger train service, the Post Office started to use private Commercial trucks drivers. Thus unlike UPS and Federal Express, the Post Office has a lot of sub contractors sending the mail to where it belongs. The final delivery is done by Postal Employees but how it arrived at his Post Office included being hauled by private contractors (through shifting the mail, and bagging the mail was done by postal employers, private contractors just hauled the mail bags, like Stage Coaches did in the days of the Wild West).

Thus the Postal Service is a very complex set of public and private businesses working together to get the mail delivered. The post WWII era saw the Post Office losing the ability to use public transit as a way to get mail to local post office for later delivery and thus had to adopt it own trucks to do so. This required moving most Large Post Offices from Downtown areas, where the trains operated to more Suburban areas that were easier for Semi Trailers to enter and exit. That move started in the 1960s and is still going on (Through most large downtown post office moved such mail service to other areas by the 1980s, retaining just a post office to pick up and drop off mail in their old downtown offices).

The Zip Code was adopted by the Post Office to ease shipment of mail and packages. The first three digits indicate which main post office that packages is to be handled by, the last two digits the local post office (and the four digit extension the block the house is on). It ended the need for the Post Office to object to names of local governments, for the Post Office preferred unique names over common names (Came up about five years ago in Allegheny County PA. Some people in South Park Township wanted the Post Office to change the name used on their Addresses from Pleasant Hills, 15236 AND Library Pa 15129 to South Park PA. The Post Office opposed the name change for Library PA was the ONLY Library in the names of Post Offices in the US. On the other hand, there were several South Parks (and the Post Office took no position as to Pleasant Hills, another Common name in its data base).

Just pointing out, yes Congress can abolish the Post Office and transfer its function to private companies (as was the norm prior to the Civil War in Urban Areas AND the norm in Rural Area till 1896)

Side Note: 1896 is a date one should take note when one reads. That is the year the Democratic Party of the US, decided it was a Progressive Party not a me-to Republican Party. As a progressive party its strength was in Rural America more then urban America (Given that more people lived in Rural Areas then Urban Areas till 1920 not a bad base to build on in 1896) the GOP did all it could to undermine that Rural support. One way was to provide what the Democrats proposed, Rural Free Delivery. With it already on the books, meant one less item people could use to justify voting Democratic. Yes, cutting into the Democratic Base one piece at a time is a time honored GOP tradition, just because the GOP does it today, does NOT mean they never did it is the past. This passage of RFD is an example of cutting into the Democratic Base in 1896.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
71. Unfortunately they could. They already got the ruling back in 1969 or 1970.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:42 PM
Dec 2013

That's how they were able to spin it off into this quasi-governmental, off-book agency. Since then it has been turned into Congress' cash cow and slush fund to pay off bribes through contracts and appointments.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
11. Congress doesn't work for Us - they work for the 1%
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:57 AM
Dec 2013

And they stand to make a lot of money off closing the USPS while cutting taxes and charging the 99% more

Octoberfurst

(42 posts)
15. WTF?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:58 AM
Dec 2013

What was the reason for Congress putting such a heavy burden on the Post Office back in 2006? No other agency has to pre-pay pensions so why make the Post office do it? (I mean they had to have a reason----even if it is BS.) Personally their desire to destroy the Post office irritates me to no end. Why must EVERYTHING be privatized?

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
36. This was a poison pill . . .
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:10 PM
Dec 2013

put in by congress in an overnight session.
This was a lame duck congress after losing the house and senate
in the 2006 GW McIdiot mid-term elections.

BobUp

(347 posts)
57. The reason?
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:43 PM
Dec 2013

To hobble it, make it look bad to people who need stuff shipped, so later down the road they (congressional repuglicons) can start taking it apart, bust the union. Unions are bad according to the men who pay repuglicon members of congress. Governor Walker is their poster child for union busting.

Leave it to a con to take things backwards.



Response to Octoberfurst (Reply #15)

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
16. I live in a rural area. I can see the post office down the street.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:04 PM
Dec 2013

The UPS and FEDEX trucks stop in there daily.

Rural America and small businesses would be screwed without the USPS.

Jetboy

(792 posts)
17. My job requires me to be shipping packages all the time.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:07 PM
Dec 2013

I used to use UPS almost exclusively but they kept breaking stuff. I heard that their packages come off the conveyer belt at over 55 mph. Lately I have been using the USPS almost exclusively and they have been doing a far better job for less money. Now the only time I will use UPS is when I have a very large heavy package.

Switching to the USPS from UPS is the best decision I've made for my business in a long time. Knock on wood but have yet to have a single lost or damaged package and my customers and I have been saving money on shipping.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
22. Yep, USPS handles 160 billion pieces of mail per year,
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:16 PM
Dec 2013

compared to a combined 6 billion for their grasshopper-fart "competitors."

We have literally mailed thousands of packages over the years in our online business, all by USPS, and have never had a package lost or delayed - our customer feedback rates us 100% satisfied and 5 stars on shipping.

I've given my own Congressman so much flack over this that he has taken me off his mailing list for his constituent meetings when he's in town.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
23. I don't understand the hate/complaining about USPS
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:20 PM
Dec 2013

it is much cheaper alternative to UPS and Fed Ex. The only real complaint I have- presumably because of its funding issues- is that it is often not fully staffed when I go in and have to wait in a long line sometimes. I don't know what the staffing/lines are like at UPS and Fed Ex but my shipping needs are fairly limited. If the USPS were to go away completely, who would we be getting the regular mail from? UPS? Fed Ex?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
75. Maybe not as much as we did in "the olden days"
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 05:04 PM
Dec 2013

but there are still lots of people using it and it's the best and most cost-effective way for me to ship things that I sell online.

AllyCat

(16,188 posts)
94. I agree with you, but the media tells us otherwise.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:07 PM
Dec 2013

My FedEx package I ordered 10 days ago just arrived late last night, missing the item I needed the most. Really aggravated.

byronius

(7,395 posts)
24. I hate that this is happening, and speak publicly about it often.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:24 PM
Dec 2013

Government by corporate bribe isn't going to end well for anyone. Period.

cags

(1,914 posts)
25. The USPS got all my xmas packages there a day before they said they would this year.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:27 PM
Dec 2013

And I sent them the week before xmas.

randr

(12,412 posts)
27. Republican cronies have their eyes on some of the most valuable
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:28 PM
Dec 2013

commercial properties in the whole country. Many many USPS buildigs are historic monuments to American history and it would be a crime to see these important assets converted for commercial purposes.

summerschild

(725 posts)
39. Diane Feinstein's husband is selling it off at this
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:25 PM
Dec 2013

very minute, and articles on the subject indicate his friends and buddies are getting some real bargains!

USPS owns real estate in every major city, in prime locations. And yes, hundreds of pieces on historic registers. Our main post office downtown had the rich marble floors and WPA murals and would have been a jewel to sell, except the property was gifted to the city in the 1800's with the caveat that it could never be sold but must be used for the public good.

Think about the cities you're familiar with - the NYC Post Office covers an entire block (I believe) in Manhattan.

I'm afraid the PO will be gone before many citizens even know it's happening.

randr

(12,412 posts)
65. Like vultures pickin at the bones of America
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:51 PM
Dec 2013

You are correct in pointing out that the greed falls on both sides of the aisle.

senseandsensibility

(17,056 posts)
30. We really can't say this enough, so I hope that your thread
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 12:32 PM
Dec 2013

stays on the greatest page for a long time. Keep this kicked, DUers!

Stainless

(718 posts)
38. My First Thought When I Heard of the FedEx/UPS Fiasco
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:24 PM
Dec 2013

Was how Congress is trying to shut down the USPS. What a bunch of BS.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
42. Kicking!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:32 PM
Dec 2013

And a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the great US postals workers that keep the packages and letters flowing! Thanks.

If one looks at the Telecommunications Deregulation Act of 96' there are also similarities. They took the diversity that America prided itself on and turned it into expensive generic programming in radio, TV, cable and internet. We have suffered as a country in all these areas due to greedy assholes. Clear Channel has made American radio one big generic shit sandwich and should have their network dismantled.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
43. If only one of these three services survives I prefer it be the US Postal Service.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 01:40 PM
Dec 2013

If the other two go out of business I have faith that the US Postal Service won't double or triple their rates. The other two, not so much.

George II

(67,782 posts)
68. Well, let's just look at the contribution from UPS...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:18 PM
Dec 2013

... in the first example, Susan Collins.

In the 2001 to 2006 cycle she raised $4.6M for her campaign, UPS gave her $22,000. That's less than 1/2 of one percent of all the money she raised. No mention of the $10,000 that FedEx gave her, which is less than 1/4 of one percent.

What about that other 99.25%? One would think they'd have to come up with more than that in order to "bribe" her.

The second example is even more extreme - Joe Lieberman. In the 2001-2006 election cycle he raised more than $20M, but only $5000 from FedEx. That's .025%! That's a "bribe"?

I'm not sticking up for either of these two politicians, but neither of those two politicians could be considered "in the pocket" of either UPS or FedEx.

To put the Lieberman "bribe" in perspective, let's say I get stopped by a cop for speeding, and the ultimate fine would be $200. I decide to "bribe" the cop to not write the ticket. The amount of the "bribe"? A NICKEL!!!

By the way, do you have any idea of the magnitude of free postage from USPS for Congressmen and Senators during their terms? Wouldn't you call those "bribes" too? I'd be willing to bet that it's higher than the combined contributions from UPS and FedEx.

I repeat, the subject line of that blog post was WAY over the top and extreme.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
50. These same "bribes" are what is ruining this country by taking away any semblance of Representative
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:12 PM
Dec 2013

Democracy! Publicly funded elections and complete campaign finance reform should be the only issue we have until they are achieved! Everything else will take care of itself after that.

mitty14u2

(1,015 posts)
51. "The Ed Show" gets it right -
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:18 PM
Dec 2013

"The Ed Show" gets it right -

Some in the media are finally paying attention. Maybe the country will start getting it too.

Video; http://savethepostoffice.com/ed-show-gets-it-right

Ed has covered this many times, its sad and maddening how ruthless Republicans really are, Paul Ryans Ayn Rand Philosophy.

Conservatives once ridiculed Ayn Rand

Today’s libertarian rightist radicals distinguish between “makers” and “takers.” In the flagship conservative magazine of the 1950s, Whittaker Chambers did not tolerate such crude sloganeering: Snip

Chambers did not live to see one of Ayn Rand’s early disciples, Alan Greenspan, become chairman of the Federal Reserve, the ultimate technocrat of the financial caste, if not of industrialists and engineers. Snip

What should we conclude from the fact that Ayn Rand’s works are admired by 21st century American rightists like Paul Ryan who have forgotten, if they ever knew about, sophisticated conservative intellectuals like Chambers and Buckley? Gore Vidal’s comments in 1961 seem chillingly prescient in 2013:


http://www.salon.com/2013/08/08/conservatives_once_ridiculed_ayn_rand/

haele

(12,659 posts)
52. USPS Flat Rate Priority shipping. Free franking. Best things ever for personal and small business.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:20 PM
Dec 2013

Franking services - or the free selling of stamps and/or estimates and recording of postage costs and postage paid - is another thing that the USPS does that people don't really understand. Pitney Bowles and "Stamps R Us" provide franking services for a cost - you rent their machines and software and their access to the delivery services, and you still have to pay for the supplies to print your stamps and postage. My rent-mate used to run a small business; she looked into purchasing one of those machines so that she wouldn't have to haul her envelopes and small boxes three blocks down the street to the Mailboxes, etc every other day or so. For a $125.00 investment and $25 a month, she would get a machine that would not only print out her postage, but pull the money (and the monthly fee) off her credit card. She would also have to buy the printer ink, maintain the machine, and buy the postage paper sheets - which the company would nicely supply as an additional "service" that would only cost her $5 - $15 a month, depending on her usage. She estimated the total cost, whatever tax write-off the machine would give her, and threw in the weight-maintenance due to exercise factor, and figured it was still cheaper to walk down the street than buy a franking machine.

As for the flat-rate priority boxes, this holiday season, I spent $5.84 each box to send (last minute) several small box of cookies and little handmade gifts across country to the in laws in 2/3 days, when UPS and Fed-EX charge a minimum of $10.00 + $1.00 per ounce because they live in small towns or rural "county road" addresses and would just ship it ground - maybe it would get there on time, and maybe it wouldn't. Everyone got their gifts the day before Christmas, at the latest. A little over $34 for guaranteed three day delivery vice over $84 for "maybe it will get there before Christmas, maybe not".

Since USPS still does the "final mile" to get the package to their doorstep, so it's not like the for-profits are paying their delivery people to find and drive fifteen miles down Covington County C.R. 36, (a total of sixty five miles away from the nearest UPS/Fed-Ex hub) just to deliver one package, three letters, and the weekly county newspaper to my husband's favorite cousins.
Have a small craftsman's business making gourmet candy, jewelry, bamboo penny-whistles or other handmade tchotckis out of the garage? USPS is required to maintain a full service office in your area no matter where you live.
So if you do live in BFE county, you can keep your small business at home rather than have to find a business/manufacturing or franking/shipping location in a larger population center if you want to expand your customer base beyond your local region.
You can sell on the internet and send your wares via USPS with their flat rate priority shipping (and also not have to pay for their flat rate boxes and envelopes!) - allowing you to cut costs and keep more of your revenue enough to keep the business going.

If the Free-marketeers get their way, and the Federal Government is forced to get rid of the USPS for Fed-Ex, UPS, Pitney Bowles, et all - do you think those companies will maintain an affordable full-service postal/package center for an economically depressed town - or - huge county with a population of at most ten thousand?
I'll guarantee this is the very first thing that will happen if the USPS privatizes:

Sorry Granny - counties and rural areas like yours just aren't worth the cost, cuts into our responsibilities to our shareholders too much, and the Fed contract is still too "restrictive" for us to be able to do everything the old USPS used to do for you. We had to close your county post office and all stop weekday delivery.

It's not too bad, though. You and the other folks around here are used to living out in the sticks, so you should have no problems driving seventy five miles to the nearest big town to get your mail or getting a ride if you don't drive very well - all you country folks stick together, right? We'll set you up a P.O. box in town for a nominal annual cost - or you can pay a monthly fee of, oh, $80.00 to have one of our processing trucks come by to handle your mail and deliveries once a week or so.

Unless, of course your neighbors want to get some sort of an HOA set up for mail service - but of course, we require a minimum number of one hundred subscriber households. For an annual fee of $2K each, you can have a new station set up three days a week at that crossroads where your rural post office used to be; or maybe we'll contract out to a nearby gas station or convenience store, if keeping that post office maintained isn't cost effective.


Ultimately, with privatization, the taxpayers will have to foot the bill to keep local Post Offices in service in accordance to the Constitution. Means the Supreme Court will eventually have to become involved; privatization will mean a few large companies are going to be profiteering off a universal government service that is mandated to be provided to the citizens "at an affordable cost".
When it becomes un-affordable to most citizens (except for corporations) and ruins small household and family businesses that require post delivery to sell their goods and survive, who is going to foot the bill?
And now that a lot of the local analog transmissions and POTs infrastructure is going away, rural areas are becoming increasingly dependent on cell phones, internet and cable services, which also costs a lot of money retirees usually don't have. Granny - and everyone else who lives in a rural area - is becoming effectively isolated.

It will hit the red states particularly hard. I'd hate to think of how much sending an card or letter would become.

Haele

CaptCaribbean

(15 posts)
55. Amen
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
Dec 2013

Question is, as with most things, how to educate and mobilize the IGNORAM-I in this country? Much of the dummies have elevated shooting themselves in the foot to an art form.

Shibainu

(23 posts)
62. Soul crushing
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:05 PM
Dec 2013

This thread, and one similar, are completely soul crushing.there are over 250,000 teamsters at UPS doing a job that is difficult at best and almost impossible when the system gets overwhelmed. We are cleaning up a very rough peak season. Yes we planned for a surge. The planning for 2014 has already begun. The misinformation about the different companies here is exceeded only by the vitriol with which it is delivered. This site was my sanctuary. In 56 years I have never felt this bad about the holiday season. I am sorry we let anyone down.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
63. Not directed at you.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:09 PM
Dec 2013

UPS drivers are not the ones bribing congress. Nor are FedEx pilots.

We must always remind ourselves that our employers are not ourselves.

Thanks for all the hard work you do. I know a good many UPS, FedEx and Postal workers, and the lot of them bust ass in a frequently thankless and arduous job.

haele

(12,659 posts)
67. Large business shipping is what UPS was set up to do.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:18 PM
Dec 2013

It's more cost effective for large businesses that have extremely high volume or large drop-shipping requirements to use UPS than to use USPS, which is set up for smaller volume and personal postal requirements. Business to Business shipping and mailing.

We use UPS and/or FedEx when shipping installation parts, technical manuals, small equipment and tools, because it makes better business sense and is more cost effective to have them come up to the shop, pick up, and deliver to one or two particular sites that also have accounts with UPS or FedEx and have regular interaction with those companies.
Our shipments are not competing for delivery or pickup with the thousands of other individual address on that delivery person's route, only the hundred or so contracted addressses the delivery person is going to that day.

The issue most people have is that for a large number of customers, USPS is the only carrier that they can use either due to locations served or because of cost. While UPS and FedEx may have a more robust express and priority service, they can only guarentee to their deliveries to established customers and from hub to hub. Unless they are willing to take a profit hit, going into universal residential and individual delivery area is not going to be a major revenue generating business model.
There's the rub with privaitzation. UPS is union. USPS is also union - but they're not required to make a profit.

That you are still union, and still have a significant employment level is a good deal. The idea of cutting labor to improve the P/E has devistated much of shipping and delivery wages. Longshoremen have been taking a major employment hit with the improvements in shipping automation.

Haele

riqster

(13,986 posts)
69. Well put!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:26 PM
Dec 2013

Privatization is only effective when a profit can be earned without negatively impacting the quality or cost of the governmental service in question.

And in this case, that's not possible.

GobBluth

(109 posts)
70. Oh no! I'm a rural carrier and saw you guys out hoofing it also!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:34 PM
Dec 2013

I am still AMAZED that UPS allows you guys to run! I deliver A LOT of parcels for UPS, as many of the customers I deliver to live WAAAAY out in the boonies. UPS and FedEx are the only people who NEVER block my boxes, and I love you for it, as it seems I just end up following you guys around all day (well when I have subdivisions).

You guys worked your ass off this season. We all did.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
74. Indeed!
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 05:03 PM
Dec 2013

Just because the big bosses are scum, don't think that the working people are,

My boss is a complete RW tool. Hell, the motherfucker is a RW tool BOX.

Thanks to you both for busting ass. All year long.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
66. Strange coincidence:
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:52 PM
Dec 2013

Feinstein's husband's company is profiting from the sale of post offices.

Feinstein votes to support the NSA's nefarious activities.

I'm not saying that there is a link. In fact I doubt that there is a quid pro quo as the senior Bush used to say. But that is how corruption works nowadays. There is no quid pro quo because none is necessary. It's just I scratch your back, and you scratch mine. I doubt that the NSA ever spoke to Feinstein about her husband's company's contract to sell the post offices, but . . . . they are all insiders and this is how insiders do things.

I'm not claiming any agreement or conspiracy. It is just the way these things roll nowadays.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
77. Our New and Improved Congress 2.0 does NOTHING unless bribed to do so.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:15 PM
Dec 2013

Which is why I'm beginning to think the whole damned lot of them should be thrown out. Yes, I know there are several good ones, but when excising a cancer, a certain amount of good tissue is cut away along with the bad.

And right now, I'm seeing Congress as the cancer on the body politic.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
78. The "capitalism can do it better" meme is pure bullshit
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:53 PM
Dec 2013

It all comes down to the wealthy wanting more wealth, so they attack the USPS, Social Security, Medicare, and other successful social programs.

The wealthy are "takers," not "makers."

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
80. Where are the mass
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:16 PM
Dec 2013

market mailers, who stuff my mail box? Their businesses would certainly dwindle if the USPS disappears.
How would grocery chains get their ads out, now that newspaper subscriptions are fading? I would think these businesses would be lobbying like crazy to keep the USPS.

BTW it is assh*le Issa who has proposed even more regulations on the USPS. I thought rethuglicans hated regulations?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
81. This is an example of, "Our Party leaving us."
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:19 PM
Dec 2013

The Democratic Party must voice their support for the USPS in the strongest possible terms.

It must start with the President and any potential presidential candidate.


I want to hear your voices!

Mr. President, if you do not support the US postal workers I want to hear why.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
83. One more example of taking over
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 07:34 PM
Dec 2013

(privatizing) the commons......following privatization of public education and other social services....This is a no brainer and I'm certain I'm not the first to recognize this....

Moral Compass

(1,521 posts)
84. Bought cheaply
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:49 PM
Dec 2013
Am I the only one that reads this and is amazed at how cheaply our so called representatives are bought?

As one who used to have the money to invest let me say that the returns these companies are realizing from a few thousand dollars are beyond any imagining.

$5000? $7500? To insert language into law that places a burden on our postal service that is heavier than anything any private or public institution has borne before? This is all it costs?

These men and women are not only whores, but the cheapest whores in all of history...

A country without a functioning postal service can hardly claim to be a country.
 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
86. K&R. USPS regularly delivers for UPS/FedEx in areas that the others deem "unprofitable".
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 01:02 AM
Dec 2013

If USPS goes, FedEx/UPS rates go up, because currently USPS is subsidizing them.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
90. USPS should offer encrypted privacy rights protected email, as well as mobile internet/phone service
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:24 AM
Dec 2013

We could have bought t-mobile for 20b.

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