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Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:50 PM Dec 2013

Saudi-Sized Cracks in the 9/11 Wall of Silence - redacted Bush report.

Two Congressmen, a Democrat and a Republican, are asking Obama to declassify the congressional report on 9/11, which the Bush administration heavily redacted.

The two members of the House of Representatives have read the blacked-out portions, including 28 totally blank pages that deal largely with Saudi government ties to the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

This is apparently major connect-the-dots stuff—much more significant than what one may remember from Michael Moore’s film Fahrenheit 911, about Saudi royals and other Saudis studying and living in the US, who were allowed to go home without being interviewed in the aftermath of the attacks. This is about actual financial and logistical support of terrorism against the United States—by its ally, the Saudi government.

As a Hoover Institution media scholar wrote in the New York Post (normally no bastion of deep investigative inquiry):

The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.


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http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/12/19/saudi-sized-cracks-in-the-911-wall-of-silence/

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Saudi-Sized Cracks in the 9/11 Wall of Silence - redacted Bush report. (Original Post) Ellipsis Dec 2013 OP
That's because the whole thing was a black ops false flag operation. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #1
Or the economy. Ellipsis Dec 2013 #2
I believe it is just one huge continuing operation including the economy. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #4
That sounds about right. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #14
zackary wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #32
And they took control of the media so that the people generally have no idea sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #72
No, that's because there are significant numbers of Saudis cheapdate Dec 2013 #5
If the powerful ruling family likes the US so well, Chiyo-chichi Dec 2013 #16
Saudi petroleum reserves are estimated to be around 200 billion barrels. cheapdate Dec 2013 #22
They were directly involved. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #33
If that's what you believe. cheapdate Dec 2013 #37
LIHOP MoonRiver Dec 2013 #39
They had "plausible deniability". Enthusiast Dec 2013 #55
Playing dumb is what they always do. seattledo Dec 2013 #63
You could be right. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #64
One of the most incriminating acts, imo, MoonRiver Dec 2013 #73
I don't remember any specifics. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #77
Able Danger! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #61
and some members of the PNAC IMHO! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #60
Don't forget, for a whole lot of people, the 9/11 attacks were like Christmas in September. Jerry442 Dec 2013 #48
Well I hope they learned... Roy Rolling Dec 2013 #8
... Can't he fooled again! WowSeriously Dec 2013 #28
LOL! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #58
Osama bin Laden took credit for 9-11 on multiple occasions cpwm17 Dec 2013 #9
What if colbertforpresident Dec 2013 #11
That adds an unnecessary level of complexity to 9-11 cpwm17 Dec 2013 #17
of course Bush wasn't behind 9-11 Rumold Dec 2013 #15
"Smirk. Thanks for the cover. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) Berlum Dec 2013 #25
Bush was supposed to play the role of a president caught totally by surprise, but... Jerry442 Dec 2013 #50
bin Laden's having taken credit for 911 is arguable. sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #52
Osama claimed responsibility on video more than once cpwm17 Dec 2013 #53
This tape was aired in 2004, sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #54
In 2001 he barely escaped with his life cpwm17 Dec 2013 #57
...that may or may not be bin laden. There were several bin ladens depicted in tapes like ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #56
I'm not sure what "several bin ladens" you're referring to cpwm17 Dec 2013 #59
Nevertheless, there was contemporary discussion on this board and across the Internet as well ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #62
I'm aware of some discussions about fake videos cpwm17 Dec 2013 #66
of course it "appears to be genuine"... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #68
If your belief system makes all evidence that exists faked as part of the conspiracy cpwm17 Dec 2013 #70
would rather have a criticle belief system.... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #71
You will ALWAYS be in the minority when it comes to this issue. What wildbilln864 said, too. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #69
what you said! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #31
The Saudi royal family has a 6% stake in Fox news' Newscorp. loudsue Dec 2013 #3
True! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #6
The Saudis do own a big chunk of Fox News, Inc. (R), and the RepubiSuckers who lap up... Berlum Dec 2013 #47
Republican Heads Will Explode When The Realize They Have Been Duped By Bush And Cheney cantbeserious Dec 2013 #7
No. They'll just parrot the Fox line that is fed to them on how to deny it, or loudsue Dec 2013 #10
Treason colbertforpresident Dec 2013 #12
The Bush Adminisration Neo-Cons Enthusiast Dec 2013 #34
This needs to be declassified now cpwm17 Dec 2013 #13
I'm with you on all that. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #35
DU always knew the connection was there FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #18
It wasn't hard to cover it up Enthusiast Dec 2013 #36
Let me know when they finally reveal the CIA/WH connections to Saudi Arabia---the ultimate domino. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #19
Only see one reason why Obama wouldn't allow this out now... freshwest Dec 2013 #20
What would S.A. get out of it treestar Dec 2013 #21
S.A. got the complete destruction of Saddam Hussein's army. Jerry442 Dec 2013 #49
Give America a Christmas gift: a wee smidgen of truth Berlum Dec 2013 #23
Price of gasoline was $1.00 under President Clinton. Coyotl Dec 2013 #24
Nope. You need not say more. lonestarnot Dec 2013 #26
Fess up Saudi Arabia. Real Americans are getting just slightly pissed off. Lint Head Dec 2013 #27
The number 15 was all you needed to know about the Saudi involvement. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #29
The truth shall set you free! k & r! eom. wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #30
Where are all the usual dis-info agents that always swarm around this issue on DU? Hmmmm? n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #38
All the good dis-info agents are with their families on Christmas! bobduca Dec 2013 #40
Conspicuously absent johnnyreb Dec 2013 #41
More like intentionally avoiding bumping this and the other thread. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #43
James R Bath Octafish Dec 2013 #42
this one conspiracy arely staircase Dec 2013 #44
KNR. DirkGently Dec 2013 #45
Confiscate all of their Wall Street holdings and then shut down Fox "News" when it complains. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #46
Well, he did promise "transparency", though we've seen little of it. If any. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #51
Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their inner cadre cheapdate Dec 2013 #65
. Ellipsis Dec 2013 #67
If the Dancing Israelis... adavid Dec 2013 #74
Inching ever closer to justice for 9/11 victims. raouldukelives Dec 2013 #75
The tin foil is strong in this thread... SidDithers Dec 2013 #76
And your contribution to the discussion is, as usual, weak. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #78
Love the loon... heh. Ellipsis Dec 2013 #80
What a pack of assholes blackspade Dec 2013 #79

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
1. That's because the whole thing was a black ops false flag operation.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:19 PM
Dec 2013

And the PNAC actually did suggest America needed a new Pearl Harbor attack to unite the nation.

It couldn't be more obvious.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
4. I believe it is just one huge continuing operation including the economy.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:33 PM
Dec 2013

I think it started with Iran-Contra. At least that far back. The same group of evil fuckers have been manipulating and stealing everything since they got away with obvious treason. They interfered with at least three different presidential elections too. Now they operate the NSA collecting every scrap of information on everyone while propagandizing the shit out of us constantly. Merry Christmas!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
72. And they took control of the media so that the people generally have no idea
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:08 AM
Dec 2013

of what really is going on.

And I do agree that once the let the treasonous Iran/Contra criminals off the hook, they have only become worse and NOTHING they might have done would or should surprise anyone.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
5. No, that's because there are significant numbers of Saudis
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:55 PM
Dec 2013

who are religious fundamentalists, Wahabis, al qaeda sympathizers, etc. All is not well in the kingdom. The US is not liked outside of the powerful ruling family.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,581 posts)
16. If the powerful ruling family likes the US so well,
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 08:25 PM
Dec 2013

and if there truly is incontrovertible evidence that high-level Saudi diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom helped the hijackers both financially and logistically, I think the questions are" "were said diplomats and officers extradited, are they or were they ever in US custody, did the 9/11 Commission investigate them, and did any of them continue to hold the same high-level posts after 9/11?"

Of course, not having read the redacted information, I don't know, but I suspect the answer to the first three questions is "no."

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
22. Saudi petroleum reserves are estimated to be around 200 billion barrels.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:26 PM
Dec 2013

The United States-Saudi relationship is based primarily on that fact. It's not a normal or a healthy relationship. We have little else in common with the people or culture of the country. They have lots of oil. We need lots of oil. It's more like a junkie-dealer relationship than a normal country-to-country exchange. The Saudi's have had an extraordinarily difficult time of keeping their own internal conflicts contained. It occasionally boils over in dramatic fashion. There are large ultra-conservative and fundamentalist elements of the population. The royal family are more or less "pragmatists". It is a situation that often teeters on the brink of instability.

There are without a doubt members of the ruling class who were and are supportive the goals of al Qaeda. I'd be extremely surprised if any of them were ever extradited to the United States for trial.

On edit : It would be interesting to see the unredacted documents. A better informed public can make better decisions about what policies to support or oppose. However, given all of the other pressing demands in this country, there are other places where I'd rather see strenuous efforts for transparency applied than on this issue. That's just me. I could be wrong.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
37. If that's what you believe.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:46 PM
Dec 2013

No one can ever prove they weren't.

That idea (US govt planned 9/11) is for me is what might be called a "dead hypothesis".

The more direct explanation, that al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center in 1993 and again in 2001 to further their war against the United States, is a satisfactory explanation for the attack in my view.

You are obviously free to arrive at a different understanding without any need for approval from me.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
39. LIHOP
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:48 PM
Dec 2013

It was to the neocons' advantage that a major attack on the US occur. I do not believe that "they" manipulated anything. They just allowed the known terrorist plot to be executed.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
55. They had "plausible deniability".
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 06:45 PM
Dec 2013

All they had to do was dismiss any intelligence they didn't want. Play dumb. That's what they did.

But I think there might have been a bit more to it. Who knows.

 

seattledo

(295 posts)
63. Playing dumb is what they always do.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 07:19 PM
Dec 2013

It isn't logical that they would stick to their same lazy tactics for something so big.

I think they had a grand denial plan then poorly communicated it to their members.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
73. One of the most incriminating acts, imo,
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 08:23 AM
Dec 2013

was denying a CIA agent's request to search one of the plotters computer before 911. I've forgotten the names of those involved. Anyway, it was as if the PTB believed what was in there might stop the attack, and did not want that to happen.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
77. I don't remember any specifics.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 03:04 PM
Dec 2013

But that one would be pretty obvious. I just know they were in on it in some capacity,

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
48. Don't forget, for a whole lot of people, the 9/11 attacks were like Christmas in September.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 05:07 PM
Dec 2013

Not so much for the ones who lost their lives or their loved ones, or the rest of us who felt like our country was turning into something we didn't recognize anymore.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
8. Well I hope they learned...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 07:35 PM
Dec 2013

I hope the Saudis learned their lesson by us attacking Iraq and Afghanistan and bankrupting the U.S. in the process. That'll learn 'em.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
9. Osama bin Laden took credit for 9-11 on multiple occasions
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 07:45 PM
Dec 2013

and he doesn't like the US or the Bush administration. He wouldn't conspire with Bush to attack the US. Bush is Al Qaeda's enemy.

Anyone that was paying attention before 9-11 knew that there was a good chance that the US would be struck by a major terrorist attack, due to our foreign policy. With such knowledge one shouldn't accept such far-fetched and crazy ideas that Bush was actually behind 9-11.

The PNAC crowd knew that there was a good chance we would be attacked, and many of them appeared to be pleased. They had their own selfish agenda.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
17. That adds an unnecessary level of complexity to 9-11
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 08:28 PM
Dec 2013

and when you get into the details, the level of complexity just keeps getting bigger.

Terrorism is an inevitable result of our foreign policy. No far-fetch conspiracies are required to explain 9-11. On 9-11 there were terrorists willing to die for their causes. That sure does simplify things for the terrorists.

 

Rumold

(69 posts)
15. of course Bush wasn't behind 9-11
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 08:23 PM
Dec 2013

Bush is a dunce. this is fairly well documented. he was officially in charge of reading children's books, which he wasn't very good at either.

Cheney on the other hand knew very well what was going on. The Saudi's who financed the attacks on 9-11 were his best friends.



Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
50. Bush was supposed to play the role of a president caught totally by surprise, but...
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 05:22 PM
Dec 2013

...he flubbed his lines multiple times. Even a totally shit-faced SNL guest host could have done better.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
53. Osama claimed responsibility on video more than once
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 06:22 PM
Dec 2013

Here's one video:



with the English transcript from Al Jazeera:
http://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html

If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours...

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?


He may have denied responsibility when his life was at stake immediately after 9-11.
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
54. This tape was aired in 2004,
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 06:44 PM
Dec 2013

as were several others through 2006 purporting to be from bin Laden. The actual interviews I mention took place in 2001, immediately after the attacks. I did not intend to suggest, however, that bin Laden was innocent, only that his guilt is uncertain. No hard evidence has ever been obtained connecting him to the attacks of which I am aware.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
57. In 2001 he barely escaped with his life
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 06:53 PM
Dec 2013

so he had a reason to be fearful for his life. In 2004 he thought he was relatively safe. He did clearly take some credit.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
56. ...that may or may not be bin laden. There were several bin ladens depicted in tapes like
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 06:48 PM
Dec 2013

the one you posted.

Your opinion on these matters is in the minority, btw.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
62. Nevertheless, there was contemporary discussion on this board and across the Internet as well
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 07:05 PM
Dec 2013

as reports in the mainstream media in this country as to whether or not those videos were always bin laden or not.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21530470/#.UrtjrLQZso4

I didn't say it wasn't bin laden. What I said was it may have been or may not.

Regardless of whether is a grossly morphing bin laden appearing in those videos, he initially denied that he was involved and may well have decided later that claiming responsibility was in his best interest to further is agenda.

You will always be in the minority on this subject.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
66. I'm aware of some discussions about fake videos
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 08:31 PM
Dec 2013

especially this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11353759

It appears to be genuine, and Osama talks about his foreknowledge of 9-11 in the video.

 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
68. of course it "appears to be genuine"...
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 10:39 PM
Dec 2013

would they fake one without trying to make it look genuine? I know I watched King Kong destroy NYC a few years back and it looked very real too.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
70. If your belief system makes all evidence that exists faked as part of the conspiracy
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 12:08 AM
Dec 2013

and all evidence that isn't there hidden by the same conspiracy, you can believe in anything – all evidence free. At some point you do require actual evidence for your beliefs or all you've got is a faith-based religion.

King Kong did look fake.

 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
71. would rather have a criticle belief system....
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 01:43 AM
Dec 2013

than believe what known liars tell me using easily manipulated evidence. but what ever gets you through the night I guess. I'd rather err on the side of caution.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
3. The Saudi royal family has a 6% stake in Fox news' Newscorp.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:32 PM
Dec 2013

And here at DU, we connected the dots LONG before the media got involved in MIHOP and LIHOP.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
47. The Saudis do own a big chunk of Fox News, Inc. (R), and the RepubiSuckers who lap up...
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 04:04 PM
Dec 2013

the Fox propaganda are in TOTAL DENIAL about it. They think Bill O'Reilly and the other overpaid Republicon Propagandists give a shit about America. If the RepubliSuckers ever wake up and face the truth, they are going to be pissed at Fox and all the other Republicon propaganda spigots who have been so consistently lying and spinning to them.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
10. No. They'll just parrot the Fox line that is fed to them on how to deny it, or
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 07:59 PM
Dec 2013

praise them for not going to war with Saudi Arabia....you know....whatever Newscorp tells them to think, they will think.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
34. The Bush Adminisration Neo-Cons
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 04:56 AM
Dec 2013

fostered the operation. And they got away with it. Paid for by tax payers.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
13. This needs to be declassified now
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 08:19 PM
Dec 2013

We should stop supporting all of our phony allies. Saudi Arabia would be a good start.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
18. DU always knew the connection was there
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 08:31 PM
Dec 2013

and the Bush administration did every thing they could to cover it up

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
36. It wasn't hard to cover it up
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 04:59 AM
Dec 2013

with a complicit media.

Remember back. They would hardly allow a dissenting voice to be heard.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
19. Let me know when they finally reveal the CIA/WH connections to Saudi Arabia---the ultimate domino.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:24 PM
Dec 2013

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. Only see one reason why Obama wouldn't allow this out now...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:47 PM
Dec 2013

To prevent racist, christian nationalist murders of innocent Arabs, Muslims and anyone the ignoratti see as them, as they can't or don't care about who was really up to no good on 9/11.

I remember not only the bullying and the attacks, but the outright murders of so-called Muslim terrorists. I don't want to see that happen again.

I don't see why, even if this is alleged to be the most liberating and game changing news release in history, that a pogrom, not of Jews but Muslims, would fail to take place in this country as the propagandists found a new scapegoat to get ratings. Let's not kid ourselves and think information will be used benignly or to enlighten and bring out the best in people.

The media has to power to incite a lynch mob, and has used it repeatedly. Many of us were never called out for anything more than our liberal minds,. The racism promoted, the vilification, denigration and disenfranchisement of millions of people in non-white ethnic groups is a real concern.

It would be naive to not take this into account and spinning a broad smear, or inventing more delicious fiction, as the media will do to Obama for not releasing this, doesn't make it any more true than other smears. Obama is responsible for the lives of millions as CinC. Not just the 'guilty' would be affected, but many innocents. One must think big picture.

IMHO, there is something to this. I am biased by my intense distrust for the Shrub and his running buddies, as I know their world view and PNAC. But that vision has failed to materialize as Obama resisted it.

As much as I would love to feel the vindication of my suspicions of what I consider to be vile cabal of repukes and their international allies, I am not willing to have the blood of American Muslims and people of color on my hands to justify my angst.

I believe American Muslims would not want this put out on hate radio 24/7 and on Faux, etc. That doesn't mean they want to protect the Saudis or approved of 9/11. Far from it. The luxury of those of us who would not affected by a repeat of the hate-filled atmosphere from those days in the BushCo era, is not something they can count upon. I'm thinking of them.

IDK when or how this can be released to the public. Just because DUers most assuredly would never bully or shoot Muslims after the WTC events, doesn't mean this information would not be used by shameless politic ans in the private and public sectors.

PBO and others got un redacted copies long, long ago. No doubt it effected his policy. Note some of the players given so much homage in the BushCo era are growling about the change. The reason is a different president at the helm. They know if they want to make mischief, they're on their own.

And by private, I mean politic ans such as Palin, Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush, Beck and the rest of the fascist media. They would love to have fresh red meat to throw to their Duck Dynasty masses.

By public, we know about McCain and the rest of the baggers. They'd love something to get their voting block voting against Democrats in 2014 for not releasing this now. We know that they would, but we may have to take the licks to save the lives of fellow citizens.

The hyping of this by media may not be timely for any purpose to do good, but to deflect from rightwing failures to address our core concerns. They hope that recycling this seminal event in this century can be used to once inflame the media both conspiracy and mainstream, against Obama, the Democratic Party and minorities.

An example of this from years past:



Wave of Hate Crimes Directed at Muslims Breaks Out

By Heidi Beirich on August 26, 2010

A string of attacks against Muslims and their religious centers has broken out over the past few weeks, apparently inspired by the protests in New York City over the planned Muslim community center and mosque near where the 9/11 attacks took place. Leaders of those protests have repeatedly made hateful statements against Muslims and Islam, with the National Republican Trust Political Action Committee, for example, saying the center is meant “to celebrate [the] murder of 3,000 Americans.”

The apparent resurgence of anti-Muslim hate crimes followed a long decline that began after a major outbreak in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center (more below).

The most violent of these attacks took place on Tuesday in New York City, when 21-year-old film student Michael Enright allegedly attacked a cab driver. Police said that Enright cursed out the cabby after asking him if he was Muslim and then slashed his throat and stabbed him in several places when he answered in the affirmative. Enright was charged with hate crimes on Wednesday.

In California also on Tuesday, Imam Abdullah Salem arrived at the Madera Islamic Center to find two menacing signs, one of which read, “Wake up America, the enemy is here.” It was the latest in a recent string of attacks on the center, including a brick thrown at the building on Sunday and a sign posted the prior week that read, “No temple for the God of terrorism at Ground Zero...”


http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/08/26/wave-of-hate-crimes-directed-at-muslims-breaks-out/

We've all known about the redacted pages for a decade now. And we can hardly fail to be interested in an act that was used to transform our nation into something worse than it ever was since the Civil War, and bankrupted us and is hurting generations.

So why is this being pushed in the media now, along with calls for more sanctions on Iran? Some for the 'right' and some for the 'left'? Not buying any criticism if it's not released. I'd like to see some of it released, but not as much as I'd like to protect innocent Muslims and POC here.

That's the meaning of 'Forward.' I wish that history was written much differently. We are still in danger from the same people that profited by the BushCo wars of aggression for profit. We can't forget the present.

JMHO.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. What would S.A. get out of it
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:50 PM
Dec 2013

There doesn't seem to be any particular advantage to them to be behind it, or to keep it secret if they were.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
49. S.A. got the complete destruction of Saddam Hussein's army.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 05:12 PM
Dec 2013

Couldn't have happened without the 9/11 attacks to provide an (admittedly thin) pretext for the U.S. to invade Iraq.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
23. Give America a Christmas gift: a wee smidgen of truth
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:52 PM
Dec 2013

The Republicons have occulted the truth about 9/11 from the git go. Time to bring it into the light of day.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
27. Fess up Saudi Arabia. Real Americans are getting just slightly pissed off.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:28 AM
Dec 2013

I'm talking about the Real Americans who know you bailed George W Bush "the little murdering torturing prick" out of a bankrupt oil deal. After which 3,000 innocent human beings were incinerated. Us so-called liberals who knew GWB and Dick Cheney were kissing your ass.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
44. this one conspiracy
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:55 PM
Dec 2013

you have exactly correct. Bath helped bail Bush out with bin Laden money after on of his many failed business ventures.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
65. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their inner cadre
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 08:07 PM
Dec 2013

secretly conspired with elements of the Saudi government to bring about a series of major, mass-casualty, al Qaeda terrorist attacks against important symbolic targets in the United States, including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. After a brief, diversionary, two-year invasion and land war in Afghanistan the real objective of their criminal enterprise was revealed; the invasion of Iraq.

 

adavid

(140 posts)
74. If the Dancing Israelis...
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 10:23 AM
Dec 2013

that were arrested within hours after 911 on the George Washington bridge were Arabs, everyone and their uncle would know about it and be part of the 911 discussion.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
75. Inching ever closer to justice for 9/11 victims.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 02:50 PM
Dec 2013

Many of us haven't forgotten that day and the mass slaughtering of poor people overseas while helpful for some apparently, did nothing for us. I still hold out faint hope we can hold those responsible accountable.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
80. Love the loon... heh.
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 02:42 AM
Dec 2013

It is an out there link... but none the less.



Nothing more cool then being alone on a lake with a lone loon at sunrise.
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