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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:02 PM Dec 2013

'I don't understand women.' 'What is it that women want?'

I have a solution for both of these questions, and it's way simple:

For the first question, if you don't understand what a woman says, ask her to repeat what she said or to expand on what she said. If there's a language barrier, find a translator. But everyone should be able to understand what an individual woman says about just about anything, it seems to me. Each woman has a unique viewpoint and world view. Ask an individual woman, and she will probably help you understand those things from her own point of view. You'll have to listen, of course, to understand.

For the second question, it seems very unlikely that any two women want precisely the same things. Again, by inquiring about what an individual woman wants, you will probably get an answer from that particular woman, and can react accordingly. I can't imagine that anyone could predict what a particular woman wants, based on anything but a direct question to that woman or a long term relationship with that woman. When she tells you, you can listen closely to discover the answer.

As it turns out, the same set of things applies to men in equal measure. There is no men's point of view or set of desires. Each man has his own unique set of those things, just as women do.

Men and women are people. They are individual people. They are unique in themselves. If you're curious about a person's beliefs, desires, or opinions, just ask that person. It's a very simple thing to do. Or, if the person is stating their point of view, beliefs, and desires publicly, you can just listen to those.

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'I don't understand women.' 'What is it that women want?' (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2013 OP
rule one, everyone is different with different wants needs and viewpoints. loli phabay Dec 2013 #1
Yup, and it's impossible to guess what people want or think. MineralMan Dec 2013 #2
And to add one additional, and indispensible step ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #40
Maslow knows. Schema Thing Dec 2013 #3
Actually Maslow generalizes. MineralMan Dec 2013 #5
If there was ever a question, Mel Gibson studied this and created a film on the matter NoOneMan Dec 2013 #4
OK. Mel Gibson is one man. His film reflects his point of view. MineralMan Dec 2013 #6
Wasn't the conclusion of that film basically that women wanted ... LisaLynne Dec 2013 #8
Oh, that's easy to think until you watch the documentary NoOneMan Dec 2013 #9
What makes you think I have not? MineralMan Dec 2013 #11
Do not presume I am presuming anything! NoOneMan Dec 2013 #13
Please proceed, then... MineralMan Dec 2013 #17
I just want everyone to know how cool Mel Gibson was NoOneMan Dec 2013 #19
I might consider Mel if I was in a war against British Rule... Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #15
Please don't forget... NoOneMan Dec 2013 #20
Well I sure am... Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #21
Once I recovery from this hip replacement (I was hit in a car accident) Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #36
Well be careful NoOneMan Dec 2013 #37
Thanks! very much Yes the Dr said I should be back to Kendo in Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #38
No. His gaze is toward her face. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #47
Hell yes it is Orrex Dec 2013 #53
I have no idea of what you speak. I looked at a picture, a still. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #61
But that's so hard!!! LisaLynne Dec 2013 #7
It is sort of hard, huh? MineralMan Dec 2013 #10
Well, ok, I will admit ... LisaLynne Dec 2013 #12
Indeed! It works a treat, as my British friends say. MineralMan Dec 2013 #14
As much as I'd like to hang around and keep responding to MineralMan Dec 2013 #16
But what do they want on their pizza? :) polichick Dec 2013 #24
I just get one with all of the toppings on it. In the pizza industry, MineralMan Dec 2013 #43
Good plan! polichick Dec 2013 #45
"You are all individuals. You are all different!" Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #18
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #22
Thank you! Everyone is an Individual, Man or Woman. jazzimov Dec 2013 #23
I think you hit the nail on the head with that. HappyMe Dec 2013 #31
"if you don't understand what a woman says, ask her to repeat what she said"... madinmaryland Dec 2013 #25
Oh, FFS! Why don't you ASK HER? Warpy Dec 2013 #26
"Men would rather..." NoOneMan Dec 2013 #27
Oh, and the men in those smoky groups need to knock that chip off their shoulders Warpy Dec 2013 #29
Whoever they are NoOneMan Dec 2013 #30
Um....if you read the OP, that's what MM said - ask. HappyMe Dec 2013 #28
Why all the fuck-saking on Christmas Eve? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #35
I'm not a Christian. It's just Tuesday to me. Warpy Dec 2013 #41
I'm not a Christian, but it's Christmas Eve despite our beliefs. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #42
First, you must understand women. This graphic will help (I hope) shadowrider Dec 2013 #32
lol! HappyMe Dec 2013 #33
so true.. Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #44
Some things may be common among women BainsBane Dec 2013 #34
I think I covered that in my OP, actually. MineralMan Dec 2013 #48
You did BainsBane Dec 2013 #54
I appreciate your contribution to the thread. MineralMan Dec 2013 #55
I can tell you what I (and maybe,we) don't want. Demoiselle Dec 2013 #39
As a woman, I'd say women want men not to be the default gender that women are compared to. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #46
I think everyone wants to be treated as an individual person. MineralMan Dec 2013 #49
Exactly. But only one gender gets the "Let's see if that person is as good as the entire other WinkyDink Dec 2013 #50
Not in my mind. I can only say what I think. MineralMan Dec 2013 #51
I think I'mma gonna cry....... Bennyboy Dec 2013 #52
Broad-brush questions like that are indicative of vast ignorance... Orsino Dec 2013 #56
I hope you noticed the quotation marks. MineralMan Dec 2013 #58
The excellent OP makes that clear. Orsino Dec 2013 #59
Thanks. I just had to check. Sometimes, people respond to threads MineralMan Dec 2013 #60
'What is it that women want?' - very simple: An Honest Man. ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #57
 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
1. rule one, everyone is different with different wants needs and viewpoints.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:07 PM
Dec 2013

what pisses me off is nothing to anyone else and vice versa.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. Yup, and it's impossible to guess what people want or think.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:08 PM
Dec 2013

You have to ask, or you have to listen. Preferably, doing both provides the most clarity.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. And to add one additional, and indispensible step ...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 07:14 PM
Dec 2013

accept whatever you are told as her truth!

I don't think the problem is understand women or understanding what they want; but rather, accepting what she says.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Actually Maslow generalizes.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:15 PM
Dec 2013

I can find exceptions to every part of his hierarchy of needs. Human beings are exceptional, each and every one. You can say very few things that apply to all human beings.

Maslow is useful when you're projecting what groups of humans need and want. But, he is useless when predicting anything about individuals. Individuals will fool you much of the time.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
6. OK. Mel Gibson is one man. His film reflects his point of view.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:16 PM
Dec 2013

That does not mean it is an accurate or generally correct point of view.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
8. Wasn't the conclusion of that film basically that women wanted ...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:17 PM
Dec 2013

Mel Gibson to STFU? Which, you know, may have been pretty good advice for him.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
9. Oh, that's easy to think until you watch the documentary
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:18 PM
Dec 2013

The content of the film and the psychic connection is pretty undeniable. I don't disagree with a man who fought against English oppression (twice!)

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. What makes you think I have not?
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:19 PM
Dec 2013

You presume what you do not know. That's often a mistake. But maybe I'm thinking of a different film. The one I'm thinking of, "What Women Want" was not a documentary, but a work of fiction. If you're talking about another one, please let me know.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
19. I just want everyone to know how cool Mel Gibson was
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:30 PM
Dec 2013

I don't think we would of won the war without him

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
15. I might consider Mel if I was in a war against British Rule...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:23 PM
Dec 2013

But anything else that comes of his mouth seems to be pretty bigoted stuff

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
21. Well I sure am...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:32 PM
Dec 2013

Mel's crazy if he's not and if he isn't, then he's DU Ultrafeminist's idea of what the perfect male is.

....Dear Lord...I forgot what I saying...

ok I might have to watch that movie and...ogle

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
36. Once I recovery from this hip replacement (I was hit in a car accident)
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:07 PM
Dec 2013

I may have to take up yoga.

Sigh, pains going back up, sitting here I cant wait for them to take the damn staples out.. they keep catching on each other.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
37. Well be careful
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:09 PM
Dec 2013

A whole lot of people get injured in yoga too. Walking is a good start imo if your hip can take it. Best of luck in that. Pain sucks

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
38. Thanks! very much Yes the Dr said I should be back to Kendo in
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:18 PM
Dec 2013

6-9 months. But will try the Yoga too, since it concentrates on suppleness. I can't wait to be able to walk more! Using a walker right now. Proud, just to be able to get to the bathroom.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
53. Hell yes it is
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:18 PM
Dec 2013

That early scene, when he's leering at Mauren shortly after he returns to town? Utterly creep-tacular.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
7. But that's so hard!!!
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:16 PM
Dec 2013

I mean, you know, to actually listen to every other person we might want to get to know and stuff. It's just too time consuming and difficult! I'd rather just rely on stereotypes and generalizations.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
12. Well, ok, I will admit ...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:20 PM
Dec 2013

that there is tiny payoff in spending that time really getting to know other fellow humans. Things like deep, meaningful relationships, friends you can count on to have your back when you need them ... you know, little things like that.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
16. As much as I'd like to hang around and keep responding to
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:25 PM
Dec 2013

replies, my mother-in-law just came from from a convalescent care center after a hospital stay. My wife and I picked her up and took her back to her home. I asked her what she wanted this evening. She said, "I want you two to come over and put a pizza in the oven, so we can visit."

So, having ascertained what an important woman in my life wants, I'll be doing just that. I asked my wife if she wanted to do that, too, and she said, "Yes."

So, I'll be away from the computer for a few hours, since I've learned what two women in my life want. See you all later.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
43. I just get one with all of the toppings on it. In the pizza industry,
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 10:43 AM
Dec 2013

that's called a garbage pizza. There's sure to be something on it to please everyone. I skip the anchovies, though.

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
23. Thank you! Everyone is an Individual, Man or Woman.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:37 PM
Dec 2013

I saw a training video many years ago that held a lesson on Communication between 2 people that has stuck with me and that I always pass along to my new hires:

Anytime you have one person talking to another, there are 6 things that are happening -
1. There is what the talker MEANS to say.
2. There is what the talker actually SAYS.
3. There is what the talker THINKS they said.
4. There is what the listener actually HEARD.
5. There is what the listener THINKS they heard.
6. There is what the listener thinks the talker actually MEANT.

None of these things are ever the same. If you've ever played the game "grape vine" (some people call it "telephone&quot or had an argument with your SO you know that this is true.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
31. I think you hit the nail on the head with that.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:55 PM
Dec 2013


Add some generalizations in and you have a complete clusterfuck of no communication.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
25. "if you don't understand what a woman says, ask her to repeat what she said"...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:42 PM
Dec 2013

Heh, when I do that, my wife turns up her volume to a double-outside voice. It's not that I'm deaf, but sometimes she will elide over a word or not be looking directly at me and I miss a syllable or two. Then she fucking screams at me. I just needed her to enunciate better!

We've been having this "discussion" for twenty years. It will never change.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
26. Oh, FFS! Why don't you ASK HER?
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:44 PM
Dec 2013

And try listening to the response this time instead of trying to come up with a way to fix her.

Yeah, I know, too easy. Men would rather stand around in smoky groups asking each other what we want instead of going to the source and listening to the reply as though we were, well, human.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
29. Oh, and the men in those smoky groups need to knock that chip off their shoulders
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 05:54 PM
Dec 2013

It seems to be blocking their ears.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, along with the ones who constantly sniff around for things to be offended about so they'll never have to deal with another human being on the level.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
35. Why all the fuck-saking on Christmas Eve?
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:04 PM
Dec 2013

If I'm not mistaken, MineralMan said in his OP the same thing you're suggesting here, but without the feigned exasperation. Can you please explain the difference in his OP and your reply to it.

By the way, I NEVER defend MM, just ask him. But I don't understand what on earth you're caterwauling about, so I thought I'd ask.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
42. I'm not a Christian, but it's Christmas Eve despite our beliefs.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 07:34 PM
Dec 2013

And if you didn't read to the end of his OP, or if you just don't like the guy, it's easier to say so than to go through all of this. He said the same thing you did. You didn't catch that, and got in a snit about it. You said the same thing he did.

Deal.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
33. lol!
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:00 PM
Dec 2013


Yup. I'm a woman and sometimes I don't understand others of my gender.

Now that I think about it men are a bit baffling too.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
34. Some things may be common among women
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:01 PM
Dec 2013

I'll hazard a guess: To be treated like full human beings, to be listened to and respected. In fact, I would guess all human beings want that.

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
39. I can tell you what I (and maybe,we) don't want.
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 06:24 PM
Dec 2013

Just above this thread is a thread title that reads "Women are a support system for pussy." DO NOT WANT!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
49. I think everyone wants to be treated as an individual person.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 09:43 AM
Dec 2013

That was really my main point in the thread-starter. Everything starts with that.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
50. Exactly. But only one gender gets the "Let's see if that person is as good as the entire other
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:06 PM
Dec 2013

gender at doing X, Y, or Z."

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
56. Broad-brush questions like that are indicative of vast ignorance...
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 03:17 PM
Dec 2013

...if not willful ignorance or bigotry.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
59. The excellent OP makes that clear.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 03:31 PM
Dec 2013

I would only add that asking questions in that manner is a likely sign of someone who isn't going to listen to answers.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
60. Thanks. I just had to check. Sometimes, people respond to threads
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 03:32 PM
Dec 2013

without actually reading anything but the headline.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
57. 'What is it that women want?' - very simple: An Honest Man.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 03:17 PM
Dec 2013

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Anything/everything else they wanted and get with an Honest Man is gravy.

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