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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'I don't understand women.' 'What is it that women want?'
I have a solution for both of these questions, and it's way simple:
For the first question, if you don't understand what a woman says, ask her to repeat what she said or to expand on what she said. If there's a language barrier, find a translator. But everyone should be able to understand what an individual woman says about just about anything, it seems to me. Each woman has a unique viewpoint and world view. Ask an individual woman, and she will probably help you understand those things from her own point of view. You'll have to listen, of course, to understand.
For the second question, it seems very unlikely that any two women want precisely the same things. Again, by inquiring about what an individual woman wants, you will probably get an answer from that particular woman, and can react accordingly. I can't imagine that anyone could predict what a particular woman wants, based on anything but a direct question to that woman or a long term relationship with that woman. When she tells you, you can listen closely to discover the answer.
As it turns out, the same set of things applies to men in equal measure. There is no men's point of view or set of desires. Each man has his own unique set of those things, just as women do.
Men and women are people. They are individual people. They are unique in themselves. If you're curious about a person's beliefs, desires, or opinions, just ask that person. It's a very simple thing to do. Or, if the person is stating their point of view, beliefs, and desires publicly, you can just listen to those.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)what pisses me off is nothing to anyone else and vice versa.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)You have to ask, or you have to listen. Preferably, doing both provides the most clarity.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)accept whatever you are told as her truth!
I don't think the problem is understand women or understanding what they want; but rather, accepting what she says.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I can find exceptions to every part of his hierarchy of needs. Human beings are exceptional, each and every one. You can say very few things that apply to all human beings.
Maslow is useful when you're projecting what groups of humans need and want. But, he is useless when predicting anything about individuals. Individuals will fool you much of the time.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That does not mean it is an accurate or generally correct point of view.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)Mel Gibson to STFU? Which, you know, may have been pretty good advice for him.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)The content of the film and the psychic connection is pretty undeniable. I don't disagree with a man who fought against English oppression (twice!)
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)You presume what you do not know. That's often a mistake. But maybe I'm thinking of a different film. The one I'm thinking of, "What Women Want" was not a documentary, but a work of fiction. If you're talking about another one, please let me know.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Wargle Bargle!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)I don't think we would of won the war without him
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)But anything else that comes of his mouth seems to be pretty bigoted stuff
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)But the real question of the day....is he ogling here?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Mel's crazy if he's not and if he isn't, then he's DU Ultrafeminist's idea of what the perfect male is.
....Dear Lord...I forgot what I saying...
ok I might have to watch that movie and...ogle
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)I may have to take up yoga.
Sigh, pains going back up, sitting here I cant wait for them to take the damn staples out.. they keep catching on each other.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)A whole lot of people get injured in yoga too. Walking is a good start imo if your hip can take it. Best of luck in that. Pain sucks
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)6-9 months. But will try the Yoga too, since it concentrates on suppleness. I can't wait to be able to walk more! Using a walker right now. Proud, just to be able to get to the bathroom.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Orrex
(63,215 posts)That early scene, when he's leering at Mauren shortly after he returns to town? Utterly creep-tacular.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)I mean, you know, to actually listen to every other person we might want to get to know and stuff. It's just too time consuming and difficult! I'd rather just rely on stereotypes and generalizations.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Oh, wait...no it's not. It just seems so.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)that there is tiny payoff in spending that time really getting to know other fellow humans. Things like deep, meaningful relationships, friends you can count on to have your back when you need them ... you know, little things like that.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)replies, my mother-in-law just came from from a convalescent care center after a hospital stay. My wife and I picked her up and took her back to her home. I asked her what she wanted this evening. She said, "I want you two to come over and put a pizza in the oven, so we can visit."
So, having ascertained what an important woman in my life wants, I'll be doing just that. I asked my wife if she wanted to do that, too, and she said, "Yes."
So, I'll be away from the computer for a few hours, since I've learned what two women in my life want. See you all later.
polichick
(37,152 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)that's called a garbage pizza. There's sure to be something on it to please everyone. I skip the anchovies, though.
polichick
(37,152 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)I'm not.
Response to MineralMan (Original post)
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jazzimov
(1,456 posts)I saw a training video many years ago that held a lesson on Communication between 2 people that has stuck with me and that I always pass along to my new hires:
Anytime you have one person talking to another, there are 6 things that are happening -
1. There is what the talker MEANS to say.
2. There is what the talker actually SAYS.
3. There is what the talker THINKS they said.
4. There is what the listener actually HEARD.
5. There is what the listener THINKS they heard.
6. There is what the listener thinks the talker actually MEANT.
None of these things are ever the same. If you've ever played the game "grape vine" (some people call it "telephone" or had an argument with your SO you know that this is true.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Add some generalizations in and you have a complete clusterfuck of no communication.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Heh, when I do that, my wife turns up her volume to a double-outside voice. It's not that I'm deaf, but sometimes she will elide over a word or not be looking directly at me and I miss a syllable or two. Then she fucking screams at me. I just needed her to enunciate better!
We've been having this "discussion" for twenty years. It will never change.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)And try listening to the response this time instead of trying to come up with a way to fix her.
Yeah, I know, too easy. Men would rather stand around in smoky groups asking each other what we want instead of going to the source and listening to the reply as though we were, well, human.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)ug. More of the same crap
Warpy
(111,270 posts)It seems to be blocking their ears.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, along with the ones who constantly sniff around for things to be offended about so they'll never have to deal with another human being on the level.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Could be all of us. Or none of us. Oh, those pesky smoky group men!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)If I'm not mistaken, MineralMan said in his OP the same thing you're suggesting here, but without the feigned exasperation. Can you please explain the difference in his OP and your reply to it.
By the way, I NEVER defend MM, just ask him. But I don't understand what on earth you're caterwauling about, so I thought I'd ask.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)Deal.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)And if you didn't read to the end of his OP, or if you just don't like the guy, it's easier to say so than to go through all of this. He said the same thing you did. You didn't catch that, and got in a snit about it. You said the same thing he did.
Deal.
shadowrider
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HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Yup. I'm a woman and sometimes I don't understand others of my gender.
Now that I think about it men are a bit baffling too.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I'll hazard a guess: To be treated like full human beings, to be listened to and respected. In fact, I would guess all human beings want that.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)But since I'm a woman, I thought I'd give my own opinion.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I always value your opinions highly.
Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)Just above this thread is a thread title that reads "Women are a support system for pussy." DO NOT WANT!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That was really my main point in the thread-starter. Everything starts with that.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)gender at doing X, Y, or Z."
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I can't say what others think.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)No really , great post.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...if not willful ignorance or bigotry.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They're not my questions.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I would only add that asking questions in that manner is a likely sign of someone who isn't going to listen to answers.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)without actually reading anything but the headline.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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Anything/everything else they wanted and get with an Honest Man is gravy.
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