It's pretty sad to see DU men attacked

[B2G]

How do some of you survive 3D?

Now I have a cheesecake to make. I sincerely this blows over soon, because it's depressing as hell.

DU men...

[Wait Wut]

1. To DU Men...

...and Women.

Mmmmmmm...cheesecake!

[B2G]

3. White chocolate Frangelica with hazelnut crust

and raspberry sauce.

[Wait Wut]

6. omg...

...I almost choked on my lunch. That sounds freakin' magnificent! I haven't made a cheesecake in years. My old springform pan sprung a leak and I just kind of lost the will to go on. But, I did finally ask Santa for one this year. That and a new crepe pan and quiche pan.

[B2G]

10. I asked for a stand mixer

I'm quivering just thinking about it...lol!

[Wait Wut]

13. That's just a dream for me.

We have nowhere to put it, but the husband and I drool over them constantly. We've even discussed colors. I want the pasta attachment, too. /sigh

[B2G]

15. Neither do I, but I'll make room somewhere

I love to cook and bake...it will be used far more than any other appliance I own.

Let me know if you'd like the cheesecake recipe...I'll message you. It's to die for and very simple!

[Wait Wut]

20. Yes, please!

If I get that pan I'll need an experiment!

[BlueToTheBone]

53. Take this recipe to Cooking forum IMMEDIATELY!

That almost made me swoon with desire! Seriously, please give us the recipe! Have a fabulous holiday!

[B2G]

56. Will do!

And will add my homemade pecan rolls.

A very Merry Christmas to you and yours!

[BlueToTheBone]

62. Thanks! I'll look for both of them!

It's very seldom that even just the words of the food make me delirious with desire, that that did it.
May this be the best of your holidays yet!

[Gormy Cuss]

2. Boys will be boys. n/t

[Kurovski]

7. She's talking about the men. (nt)

[Gormy Cuss]

12. What men? n/t

[Kurovski]

21. DU men.

DU boys are another matter.

Happy holidays!

[kcr]

4. How will they ever survive!?

Really, this is just getting beyond ridiculous.

[The Straight Story]

5. You are making cheesecake? Thanks for propping up the patriarchy and stereotypes of women

You should be out in the streets ticketing people who look at other people.

[B2G]

8. My cheesecake will be oogled and coveted

And rightfully so...it's the natural order of things.

[Kurovski]

23. I'm going easy. Thumbprint cookies today...

Pecan/chocolate chip/English toffee cookies last night.

maybe some shortbread tonight if I'm still standing.

We are coveting the very THOUGHT of your cheesecake!

[B2G]

24. Your treats have hit all of my favorites!

Trade? Lol.

[Kurovski]

26. The transfer can take place in the Cooking & Baking Forum.

Merry Christmas!

[B2G]

28. Damn...we really need one of those. nt

[Kurovski]

32. Here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1157

[B2G]

34. Thanks!!

[HappyMe]

9. I'm sick of the whole thing.

I trashcan most of it. It goes around and around and nobody "wins".



edit to add -- Cheesecake!? OMG! I want some.

[onpatrol98]

11. Reminds me...

This reminds me...I have a Turtle Pie in the fridge. It's probably lonely by now. I'll go keep it company.

[Wait Wut]

14. LOL!

Be sure to cuddle it!

[HappyMe]

16. No ogling.

Enjoy that pie.

[Glassunion]

17. We're being attacked?

I missed it. How come I didn't get none?

Is it like a bad attack with helicopters and a strong ground force? Or one of those sneaky drone out of nowhere attacks? Or like the Klingon mating ritual, where she throws stuff at you while you read her love poetry?

[BainsBane]

54. I think it's the kind where a woman posts something

that a handful of guys prefer not to see, so instead of trashing it they cry persecution.
I have to say Klingon mating rituals sound a lot more fun.

[Glassunion]

64. The men seem to enjoy it too.

[treestar]

18. That's a bit extreme

Who is "attacking?" Anyone saying don't stare at a woman in public too long?

[Kurovski]

30. I don't think anyone means that.

Things got out of hand. It would take some hour or so to pull the threads in that tapestry.

[A HERETIC I AM]

19. .....

[LisaLynne]

22. Wow. nt

[Bjorn Against]

25. It is pretty sad to see the gender war on DU in general

It is not just men being attacked, there are men on this site who seem to love to fan the flames and provoke a response.

I think people on both sides of the battle need to do a better job of being respectful, and to be honest posts like this one which act as if it is only one side being attacked do not help the situation at all.

[Kurovski]

29. Online, as in real life, just a couple of dedicated trolls can do great damage. (nt)

[Bjorn Against]

33. I agree, it really does seem to be just a small handful of people that are causing problems

[Kurovski]

37. People can have a good discussion, and then BAM, in steps a troll to take it down to flamey town.

A good discussion can also involve emotionally-composed disagreement, as we all need to remember.

If I were here more often, I think I'd do a better job of remembering that.

EDIT: also, what brings down a discussion is when a person purposefully misinterprets a post. The blatant practitioners are pretty clear and I think they are well-recognized by regular DUers who haven't just ignored the whole schmeeer,

[narnian60]

40. Well said. nt

[tammywammy]

35. +1 n/t

[Vashta Nerada]

59. One would think all genders on DU would spend their time attacking those

Who want to take away rights instead of those here who will stand up for those rights (e.g. reproductive choice, equality in the workplace, etc)

The men here aren't the enemy. Republican males are.

[Bjorn Against]

61. I strongly suspect the people I am refering to are Republican males

The large majority of men on DU are fine, there are just a small handful that like to stir shit and I suspect a few of them are Republicans.

[pintobean]

66. And what party

do the small handful of women who stir shit belong to?

[Bjorn Against]

67. I don't know to be honest

I don't think all of them are Republicans, but there are a couple that I am skeptical of. But no, I will not name names until I have proof.

[cascadiance]

27. Thank you!....

As a 50 plus single man, I've stayed out of these threads. It feels bad to see many people that have had legitimately bad experiences, both men and women, and having difficulty dealing with other situations where perhaps the others they might meet might appear to lead them in to such situations that are seen as a threat to them. It makes me almost afraid sometimes to even try to even glance at at all or try to talk to and meet other women I might not know now. Hoping my comments don't get misconstrued here.

Comments like yours restores faith for me that and I think others here that there are many out there who would seek a friendship of value to both of us. Thanks! For every woman that only wants attractive men to look at her (I don't know how many really fit this stereotype), I'll bet there are many that would love to have decent men of many ages and appearances not to be intimidated by this and to have healthy initial exchanges that could lead to a friendship, or just be a happy exchange of two strangers that remind us all that we are in a world that should be celebrating community of us all. That by no means excuses those that would try to intimidate woman by leering at them and threatening them in so doing. We as men should probably also call some of these men out when they do it in wrong ways to help provide a greater feeling of a place of public safety for all of us in public.

[Jester Messiah]

31. Thanks.

Great time of the year for all this, too. Depressing as hell, you nailed it.

[quinnox]

36. Indeed. Maybe the HoF group can lay off cross posting their threads from their "safe haven"

for a while. A lot of Duers don't care to be lectured or is interested in their wacky philosophies. Personally, I'd rather hear about scientology if I'm in the mood for off the wall philosophies, at least those would be entertaining. And then swarming threads to try and group attack any who dare disagree with them isn't exactly creating a pleasant atmosphere either. Just a thought.

[seabeyond]

38. 130 duers recommended the Op. nt

[B2G]

39. It's the other 130 threads

that are grating on nerves.

[seabeyond]

42. i am not responsible for those. the poster talked about that one thread. that is what i addressed.

[seabeyond]

43. btw... you did catch the OP attacking our group and me in particular, right?

a man. who wrote an op specifically attacking us. a thread of ugly insults. and a jury, that allowed it to stand.

so when you talk about all the threads attacking men, you know the 130.... i am not feeling too charitable.

[Iris]

46. Is that thread still out there?

I served on a jury for another post in that thread and couldn't understand why it was still there.

[seabeyond]

47. Host locked

After well over 100 replies. Ya. So good to see you. You have bee missed and asked about.

[Iris]

50. That's nice to hear!

Last edited Wed Dec 25, 2013, 09:44 AM - Edit history (1)

It's been a rough year for me but things are getting better.

[boston bean]

51. including your own, I'm assuming.

cause it certainly grates on mine.

No one attacked men. They criticized a behavior of men who do creepy ass things to women in public spaces cause they feel they have a right to. And when particular men decide that women are wrong about their experience and that women should wear burkas if they don't want the attention, well... they got some criticism too. Too bad... boo hoo.

[Spider Jerusalem]

45. "Wacky philosophies".

Like..."treat women like people and not objects that are there for your enjoyment"? Yeah, that's pretty off-the-wall.

[BainsBane]

49. wacko philosophies

You mean a PSA from India that is too progressive and enlightened for you to cope with? The idea that manhood does not hinge on predatory behavior and that most men can actually behave appropriately in public and don't see anti-harassment and anti-rape campaigns as a personal attack?

The idea that there is anything "wacko" about the basic message that harassment and assault is wrong is pretty shocking to me. Is there some reason you believe men by nature to be incapable of behaving like civilized members of society?

For the record, this is the "wacko" philosophy you so object to.

Men don't behave like this. Men don't harass women, tell them if they don't want to be followed, jeered and assaulted in public they should war burkas or stay in the home. That is the behavior of predators. This is a man: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4220427

Perhaps one day the perpetually aggrieved on this site will aspire to the level of enlightenment and advanced thinking displayed by the men in India who made this PSA. I will not hold my breath, however. Them seem to have created a political philosophy out of their own warped views that men by nature are driven to engage in predatory behavior. It saddens me that they think so poorly of themselves.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

52. A lot of DUers don't care to read idiotic ramblings about how wearing an afro

is a sign of a desperate need for attention. Yet you get to post that along with other "nuggets of wisdom". So let's just say things are even.

[pitchforx]

41. the battle of the sexes...

will never be won, and the ways of a woman will never be known...
it says it right there in the Babble.
so sisters and brothers let's call it a draw and love each other.
Merry Xmas 2 all!

[pitchforx]

44. George Carlin: “Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Get over it.” n/t

[redqueen]

57. George Carlin - On Patriarchy

[lumberjack_jeff]

60. +1 n/t

[BainsBane]

48. Who attacked men?

I saw some men who decided to take this PSA personally. Looks to me like they attacked themselves.

The idea that if a man isn't allowed to be a predator means he is attacked is highly disturbing. Such a view signals a very low opinion of men that I myself don't happen to share. I know that the vast majority of men are perfectly capable of acting in reasonable ways that don't include preying on women--whether harassing or assaulting them--in pubic spaces. But if you feel compelled to protect those who see their manhood linked to predatory behavior, that truly is unfortunate.

I'm also sorry you feel the men of DU are too weak to stand up for themselves. I generally assume everyone is quite capable of advancing and defending his or her own ideas.

[Kingofalldems]

55. Why did you post the same video twice in one thread?

[Katashi_itto]

63. +10000

[redqueen]

58. Good thing no one attacked DU men, then! nt