The real traitors are Clapper, Alexander, and Feinstein

[kentuck]

It is not Edward Snowden.

Clapper, the DNI, lied straight to the face of Congress and Alexander has been covering up information about the NSA's role in spying since before the attack of 911 and the invasion of Iraq.

Feinstein and her cohorts have failed in their responsibility of oversight. Even worse, they have justified the actions of the CIA, the NSA, and illegal military operations all in the name of the "war on terror". They have put the privacy of every American at risk with their gargantuan incompetence and lack of respect for our Constitution.

It is they that should be on trial, not Edward Snowden, in my opinion.

Snowden may be an asshole but I am glad that he broke the information that he did. Otherwise, we would all still be in the dark moreso than we are at present.

[Thinkingabout]

1. As they say, where is your proof, where is the link?

[former9thward]

2. Here is a link to Clapper's lying.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/12/how_james_clapper_will_get_away_with_perjury/

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/making-alberto-gonzales-look-good/

You really didn't know about this?

[Thinkingabout]

4. You have to listen to the whole sentence, you can not use a portion of what he said.

Did you listen to the complete sentence before you made your decision of whether he lied. Also where is the link on Alexander and Feinstein?

[Aerows]

7. Congressional members have admitted that

he lied. If that doesn't suit you, a link isn't going to do so, either. I don't know why you picked the NSA as a cause to champion, but you do it outright.

[Thinkingabout]

10. I might ask the same question to many others, there has not been a lot of truth on this

matter for sure.

[Aerows]

11. No, there hasn't been much truth

which is what is at the heart of the matter. The NSA has lied, Clapper lied before Congress, and we don't have the truth. THAT is what is causing the issue.

We could sit all day on DU and debate whether Edward Snowden should have revealed what is going on, but the fact is that he revealed it. Now it is up to the NSA to validate it's existence, it's worthiness for the taxpayer dollars going towards it, and whether or not it is Constitutional.

That seems to be the beef that many have with the whole discussion - they don't want to discuss it at all. Too late now, it's being discussed and it is time to determine whether you are on the bus or under it.

[Thinkingabout]

13. The facts on NSA discussing their work and everything in which they are working on is not

going to happen. The lies I have read here on DU are many, even those who are not in the intelligence community can see through the shallow thinking. To say there are not going to be some modifications in the NSA is denying there can not be improvements to any program. All can be improved and useful information is gathered. Is Obama or other members of NSA going to tell when and where their program has "stopped any attacks" is not going to happen either. A simple answer is you do not broadcast your offense plans to the opposing team.

One of the silliest post I read here and other places is they are listening to all calls, it's I don't know, I don't care what is being said on the very large majority of calls in the US. This is where I decided not to believe most of what I read, just a silly argument.

[Aerows]

14. Oh, there WILL be modifications alright

The IT industry will *demand* them. The NSA shat in it's own mess kit. That was out of arrogance, and it deserves the meal it is getting served. Clapper and Alexander need to "spend more time with their family" because I doubt in the end anyone will settle for anything less.

[Thinkingabout]

15. I disagree on Clapper and Alexander, they were given a job to do and should not be terminated

because of their doing those duties. Other modifications, in fact the FISA act was a modification of what was previously allowed. Clapper has served this country well, he should not be thrown out because of NSA.

[Aerows]

18. Clapper lied before Congress

and Alexander authorized it. Both of them should get the boot with no pension. Do you realize how upset people are by this breach of trust? Do you realize how angry people are when calling their IT department and what IT personnel are having to put up with because of these two fuckwits?

Like I said, change will be demanded. Neither of those two dumb asses will have jobs after the first of the year. I'm sure both are already prepping their resumes.

[Thinkingabout]

23. The word "wittingly" is what is important here.

[djean111]

28. Of course they don't listen to all calls!

They can just store them and there is software that even I can buy for $10 a month that would let me specify key words to be searched for. Then any calls with hits can be listened to.
They are scooping up everything in order to sift through it later. And now the FBI and police departments are finding this feature attractive - sift through, find something, and the construct an alternate trail of evidence because there was no warrant. pretty slick.

[former9thward]

8. I read his testimony.

I didn't listen to anything. Yeah, he was lying, complete sentence and all.

You can listen to Alexander's lies, which were contradicted later by Clapper, here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/06/watch-top-u-s-intelligence-officials-repeatedly-deny-nsa-spying-on-americans-over-the-last-year-videos/

As far as Feinstein goes I am not the OP but it appears he/she is giving an opinion of how she has done her job. An opinion I agree with. You can't link to people's opinions.

[Aerows]

9. To quote Barney Frank

it's like arguing with a dining room table.

[solarhydrocan]

12. here he is

PS: Finestein's husband is busy selling off post offices, thanks to the law that was co-sponsored by Henry Waxman

In 2011, the CB Richard Ellis Group (now CBRE Group, Inc.), the world's largest commercial real estate services firm, was awarded an exclusive contract to market USPS facilities which provides CBRE with a commission of 2 to 6 percent on the sale of those properties. This award has been the subject of some controversy, as CBRE's Chairman of the Board is Richard C. Blum, the husband of Senator Dianne Feinstein, who represents the state of California in the U.S. Senate.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/blum.asp

[DisgustipatedinCA]

16. He's a lying fuck. Now that this has been established, does this change things for you?

[Thinkingabout]

17. No, it sure does not, there are questions in which he would not be allowed to answer to many

satisfaction, that does not make him a liar.

[Aerows]

20. He flat out lied

Lied. Let me repeat that for you - he didn't misdirect, he LIED. Why he isn't under the jail instead of in it is beyond me. Even the President can't get away with that (see: Bill Clinton).

[Thinkingabout]

25. Good, now we can put all liars in jail now. Got a few which needs to be added to the list.

[Aerows]

26. Are you suggesting that lying before Congress

is not a big deal?

[Thinkingabout]

29. Did not say that, I am ready to put the liars in jail.

[Aerows]

19. He and Alexander

have pissed off so many people, including lying before Congress, I'm surprised that no one has shown up at their doors with torches and pitchforks. Everyone that works in IT has been read the riot act by angry end users because of these two bone heads.

I'm surprised Congress has put up with being lied to. You'd think that after the freaking out Congress did over Clinton lying about a blowjob that those two idiots would be under indictment.

[H2O Man]

21. Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair.

www.http://legalizelonnieandersonshair.com

[PowerToThePeople]

3. rec

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Only if you think the country is the people...rather than the government.

Which I do, which means that I agree with you.

[Vincardog]

6. agreed

[colbertforpresident]

22. The Intelligence Community

runs this country. They will do as they see fit. They won't let congress or any president get in their way. They could care less about a constitution or some bill of rights.

[nirvana555]

24. Well,I don't know any of the etails regarding this post but I really dislike

Feinstein. As a California resident, she has disappointed me many, many times. Man, I hope she retires soon. However, I love Boxer....

[DonCoquixote]

27. A signature worthy quote

"Snowden may be an asshole but I am glad that he broke the information that he did. Otherwise, we would all still be in the dark moreso than we are at present"