OK, DU - Let's settle this. Who is at fault?

[OmahaBlueDog]

6 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	A handful of feminists
	1 (17%)
	A man
	0 (0%)
	A straight, white male
	0 (0%)
	Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully
	0 (0%)
	Creeps
	4 (67%)
	Guys picking fights with DU women
	0 (0%)
	Utah Boy Scouts
	0 (0%)
	Santa
	0 (0%)
	Those damn Blue Dogs!
	0 (0%)
	Skinner
	1 (17%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[TBF]

1. Where is the option for obvious trolls -

because I think that's what we're seeing with the splitting. I guess it falls under "creeps"?

[OmahaBlueDog]

4. Obvious Trolls?

Blame Blue Dogs -- everyone else does.

[MADem]

6. +1,000 ...wonder if the admins are tracking who starts up the trollishness?

Also, I wonder if the admins keep any records as to which threads get the most "TRASH THREAD" errrrr....'votes' as it were?

I've trashed at least a dozen bullshitty, flame-bait threads in the last day or so. It's getting to the point where it's hard to wade through the latest faked "Outrage du Jour" posts, along with the snarky retort posts, to get to the current events and politics.

[TBF]

8. MIRT can handle newbies -

but otherwise polite long-term posters can be an issue. I think it's a hard call sometimes, but I totally hear you.

[MADem]

14. I don't think, for the most part, it's n00bs causing the drama.

It's old schoolers, and their socks and zombies. You'd think they'd get a life--it's probably a bit embarrassing, when they step back and look at what they're up to.

I'm guessing those idiots at that crazy hate site with an entire forum devoted to what happens over here are behind it. They're probably getting their jollies watching who jumps in the crapper and starts swirling around with the shit.

I'm USING that TRASH THREAD button--it makes my holidays bright!

[TBF]

17. Yup.

Hope you have a nice holiday MADem

[MADem]

24. Thank you and back atcha! nt

[kcr]

9. That's why I picked creeps

But if there had been a trolls option I would have picked that.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

65. me too. I wanted a troll option.

I would go as far as to call the troublemakers: Male and/or Female Republican/Libertarian Creepy Trolls.

Yep.

[NoOneMan]

12. +1

That was my first thought

[Vashta Nerada]

64. Yep.

You guys are being trolled and I'm glad a few can see it.

[PeaceNikki]

2. GD is the new Meta.

Where's that option?

[otherone]

47. Happy Holidays PeaceNikki

Peace and low stress

[PeaceNikki]

54. Thanks and the same to you and all you love!

[HappyMe]

3. Always good to put out a fire with gasoline.

[OmahaBlueDog]

7. Cute kitten picture

[TBF]

10. I like that better than the poll.

[HappyMe]

18. The cat and the fire can easily

be out with a fire hose.

[PowerToThePeople]

5. BFEE n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

11. Who the hell knows who's fault it is. Great video.

[OmahaBlueDog]

16. Let there be peace at DU

[liberal_at_heart]

53. I think the only way to find peace for the Holidays is to get the hell off of DU.

[seabeyond]

13. happy christmas eve everyone....

[OmahaBlueDog]

19. Happy Christmas Eve!

[seabeyond]

22. i luv. thank you. nt

[TBF]

20. Merry Christmas Sea - that's beautiful. nt

[seabeyond]

23. thank you. and to you, too. nt

[JoePhilly]

15. You should add a choice ... "All participants"

A bunch of antagonistic thread titles, participants looking for a fight, folks reading more into what some one says, or conflating things, taking other statements to extremes.

I've stayed out of it, not worth it.

Maybe its the holiday season.

So lacking a better choice (like "All participants&quot , I blame Santa.

[OmahaBlueDog]

21. Please concentrate on beating Dallas

[seabeyond]

27. now, i just have to put my foot down. dallas losing makes my household hell. stop it.

i tease. last weekend i left while dallas was losing. didnt want to sit in that. called to ask if safe to come home.

actually, if dallas loses it will be done. instead of extending the chaos out further.

hmmm

[Scuba]

57. Then this Packer fan apologizes. Sort of.

[seabeyond]

58. lol. i love the packers and not a fan of the cowboys. makes it hard to root for cowboys

so i will have peace in my house.

funny, you football fans.

though i do love my whitten and ware.

[Scuba]

61. The last professional athlete I loved was Paul Hornung.

Then I met him.

[seabeyond]

63. ahhh. lol. that is a bummer. you are right. but, i like those two cause

the things we KNOW suggest good guys, while being exception athletes. if it is a reality or not, i do not know.

[JoePhilly]

29. I have a 2nd browser window up right next to this one ...

... and playing in it, is the recording of Chip Kelly's press conference.

If the right Eagles team shows up, we've got it covered.

[Vashta Nerada]

25. Trolls.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. People who write their screeds from the perspective that there isn't a shred of

Gender Enlightenment to be found amongst DU Males.

No honest DUer is arguing that untoward behavior should be allowed or accepted. Plenty though push back against being lumped in with men who DO engage in behavior women abhor.

Witness the thread titled "I am a man." Chock full of shut the fuck up and poured over our heads like so much rhetorical boiling oil. Not the slightest hint of "present company excepted".

I submit that DU Men get short shrift in these broad-brush discussions.

[Katashi_itto]

28. +10000

[Spider Jerusalem]

33. Judging from the discussions around this issue over the past two days?

There isn't really much "gender enlightenment" among DU males, no. There's a lot of justification of creepy behaviour and a general dismissiveness that the lived experience and concerns of women about issues that relate to their everyday lives are irrelevant; there've been comments like "don't go out if you don't want to be looked at!", suggestions that women shouldn't get to decide what constitutes inappropriate behaviour from men, and much else besides. You know, if you don't do that? Then they're not talking about you. So you can just shut up and stay out of it instead of defending creepy behaviour or dismissing the issue out of hand as one that's irrelevant or acting put-upon and blaming "divisveness" on "shit-stirring feminists" instead of your own responses to legitimate women's issues.

[Squinch]

42. +100 And Happy Holidays!

[sibelian]

48. Nah.

There are plenty of gender enlightened DU males. And, also, it's entirely possible for someone to be in the right and also a total jerk.

[cherokeeprogressive]

55. "shut up and stay out of it..."

Well color me surprised. For the record I didn't defend ANYONE'S creepy behavior nor did I dismiss any issues. Maybe you should read my post again.

Oh, the quotes you used? Not mine.

[Feral Child]

62. Changed my mind

I'm not getting involved in this petty crap.

[OmahaBlueDog]

69. That's the holiday spirit. Hold your tounge, and get some more egg nog

I've had several holidays along that line. I'll have one later this week when I have drinks with a cousin. I like him, but he's a raving wingnut.

[OmahaBlueDog]

71. I know this much...

I'm neither the most progressive nor enlightened DUer. I am, however, the father of two daughters. This keeps me focused on seeing that we remove society's roadblocks to their success.

"Present company excepted" can be a funny thing at DU. I had to self delete a post about two months ago indicating that my experience was that white, non-urban Americans between 40-80 have an overwhelming propensity to become raving wingnuts. I based this on my observations of coworkers, family, high school classmates, and upper Midwesterners. Naturally, every rural, white DUer thought I was talking about them. I thought it was obvious that if you are a DUer, you aren't my target, but I was wrong. Generally, we are pretty hard on one another; we should be saving the anger for conservatives outside of DU.

[Wait Wut]

30. Nope.

There are some fucked up men in the world and there is an equal number of fucked up women. I refuse to use a broad brush to attack anyone.

[OmahaBlueDog]

41. Christmas in Heaven

[Wait Wut]

44. LOL!

I haven't seen that in forever!!!

[treestar]

31. I think it's interesting

Basically it is men who can't handle feminism and don't like sinking to equality with women rather than having the upper hand.

They usually sink to "sorry, it's evolutionary science, we're supposed to be in charge, deal with it." Problem is the feminists refuse to obey, so that's why it gets so testy.

[BellaKos]

32. As a woman

I just wanted to say that I have a radical position.
I see men and children as people.

[OmahaBlueDog]

37. Well, children, maybe...

[liberal_at_heart]

40. Only some men are stupid. Some are very intelligent and sensitive and good natured.

[liberal_at_heart]

46. there are jerks in every category of human being.

There are jerk religious people. There are jerk atheists. There are jerk men. There are jerk women. There are jerk rich people. There are jerk poor people. We should never stereotype an entire group based on the jerks. Because just as there are jerks in every category of people, there are also good people in every category of people as well. I agree with you. I see men and children and women as people.

[BellaKos]

50. egg-zactly n/t

[rug]

34. I blame taterguy.

[OmahaBlueDog]

35. What about Robb? I hear he's a dingbat.

[rug]

38. Can't be him. He's at Kalashnikov's funeral.

[Spider Jerusalem]

66. To stuff a clove of garlic in his mouth and drive a stake through his heart?

[lumberjack_jeff]

36. Few DU'ers make any distinction between categories #2 through #6 n/t

[OmahaBlueDog]

39. ..which is why we have florists

[sibelian]

49. Women are OTHER...

Men are GENERIC.

Only one half of the Monomyth is treated as a myth.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. You left out Ralph Nader, the traditional cause of everthing.

[Egalitarian Thug]

56. Good point. n/t

[CFLDem]

45. I sided with Jesus.

[OmahaBlueDog]

73. You cannot go wrong there

[LiberalElite]

51. Somehow I don't think this is going to settle anything nt

[hfojvt]

52. "and in despair I bowed my head

there is no peace on earth I said
for hate is strong
and mocks the song
of peace on earth
goodwill to ...


MEN"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4209393

[Marrah_G]

59. It's obviously Skinner's fault!

[OmahaBlueDog]

67. Elad can't be considered blameless in this situation

...and don't get me started on EarlG.

[Marrah_G]

76. True, that Earl is a devious one!

[ZombieHorde]

60. There is no fault because there is nothing wrong.

There is nothing wrong with being offended. There is nothing wrong with offending others.

Peace.

[99Forever]

68. It's a plumbing issue. n/t

[OmahaBlueDog]

72. I think the "acceptable ogling" argument has gone on since caveperson times

It will continue long after I have passed from this world.

[UtahLib]

75. They're gonna be sorry tomorrow, because Santa is taking names. n/t

[Inkfreak]

77. Utah Boy Scouts

I'm certain those lil shits did something to start this.