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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:29 AM Dec 2013

NYT editorial: 'Turn Off the Data Vacuum'

Source: New York Times

In the days after one of the biggest national security leaks in United States history revealed the existence of vast, largely unchecked government surveillance programs, President Obama said he would “welcome” a robust national debate over the appropriate balance between protecting national security and respecting individual privacy and civil liberties.

The answer has now landed squarely on Mr. Obama’s desk, with the release late Wednesday afternoon of a remarkably thorough and well-reasoned report calling on the government to end its bulk phone-data collection program and to increase both the transparency and accountability of surveillance programs going forward.

... The surveillance programs began before Mr. Obama’s presidency, but he allowed them to continue and grow in unprecedented ways. Lately, he has expressed an openness to reforming the programs themselves and the operations of the intelligence court. One important step would be to support legislation in Congress that would achieve many of the panel’s goals, and codify them to restrain future presidents.

But Mr. Obama need not wait for Congress to act to implement the reforms he said he wants. He can quickly adopt his panel’s recommendation and end the ineffective and constitutionally dangerous dragnet surveillance.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/opinion/turn-off-the-data-vacuum.html

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NYT editorial: 'Turn Off the Data Vacuum' (Original Post) Newsjock Dec 2013 OP
The panel's still recommending collecting metadata on all calls. winter is coming Dec 2013 #1
Thank you. nt woo me with science Dec 2013 #2
I thought it recommended leaving the data with the communications companies until the FISA JDPriestly Dec 2013 #3
You're right, that is the current proposal. My apologies. winter is coming Dec 2013 #4

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
1. The panel's still recommending collecting metadata on all calls.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 12:35 AM
Dec 2013

That's not ending "the ineffective and constitutionally dangerous dragnet surveillance."

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. I thought it recommended leaving the data with the communications companies until the FISA
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:11 AM
Dec 2013

court grants a specific subpoena. Do you have a link?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
4. You're right, that is the current proposal. My apologies.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 09:08 AM
Dec 2013

I mis-parsed the first paragraph quoted here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4197111

I've got to say, though, that I'm skeptical that this would be more than a rearranging of the deck chairs. There's still the underlying assumption that there's a need to collect information about all of us that overrides privacy considerations. IMO, the government has failed to establish a legal right or a legitimate need to collect such information, and the years of denials and minimalizations that have been made about government surveillance give me no reason to believe we're not being lied to again now. As long as someone's collecting the information, government agencies will likely find a way to exploit it, despite "safeguards".

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