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Throughout human history the "haves" have operated in the context of expecting the "have-nots" to come into the manor and cut their heads off. The common masses have always had the power to take over at any moment.
I am not advocating the traditional bloody peasant's revolt, but the threat has always been a deterrent.
I feel that American society has, as we have become more civilized in terms of order, moved further and further from that (implicit) threat to the point where the haves are unusually emboldened.
It may well be that a less violent society has a reactionary bias because the have nots have only their numbers and the implicit threat of those numbers. The less violent and more orderly the society the less the haves are motivated by fear. And we have an amazingly civilized society! How could we have an economic collapse with so little civil unrest? It's impressive, historically.
The have-nots also benefit greatly from a less violent society, of course. I'm not suggesting that civilization is bad across the board. But damn these billionaires are fearless! (The popularity of libertarian thinking really shows how divorced we are from the practical notion that your property is only yours at the sufference of everyone else, which it is.)
Also, moving wealth from land holdings to numbers in bank computers has a reactionary bias. Back in the day the haves could flee, but could not take their true wealth with them.
(I could have entitled this, "Thoughts on the DOW hitting records in a high unemployment environment."
ON EDIT: Regarding deterrence. It has always been a mixed bag, of course. The fear of the people has sometimes lead to reform and moderation and sometimes lead to increasingly brutal oppression. For instance, in the American south has always had a cultural sense that if the mechanisms of control were eased even a fraction that the slaves (and later the freed slaves) would kill their masters. There was a rationalized guilt reaction that led to more opression. Same thing in South Africa. And the haves will never *admit* to being moved by fear. So in the wake of the 1960s race riots Nixon was all about "law and order" while at the same time quietly expanding the welfare state more than any other president. Monarchs met the particular of the execution of the royal families of France in the 1700s and of Russia in the 1990s, and of the anarchist assassinations of dozens western leaders circa 1900 (including a US president), with violence and bluster, but also with unprecendented reform. (Many policy demands in the Communist Manifesto were realized and exceeded throughout the west, but nobody ever liked to admit that it was the haves bowing to the revolutions of 1848 out of raw fear.)
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)An interesting suggestion indeed.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)the continuity of slave-uprisings and peasant revolts as the context of the system (rather than isolated events) is often down-played in contemporary accounts.
It was always an oscillation. The haves constantly pressing their advantage to a breaking point, then starting the process anew.
But it is hard to imagine where our breaking point could be. "Account closing fees"? Really?
In the early 1980s 10% unemployment was treated as alarming news with implications for the integrity of society. This time around it was treated as a financial story...
No fear.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)The 'Mandate of Heaven' doctrine incorporated periodic peasant revolt into the system, as a sort of 're-set' button....
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)the peasantry was probably the nation's secret weapon.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)The dark ages, it seems to me, came about when the Roman Imperial/Byzantine power elite could finally no longer keep control of their Plutocratic empire; and when it fell apart, civilization collapsed.
Most historians look at the Dark Ages as an era where life was short, harsh and brutal; but it would have been worse than that had the Plutocrats not lost control. IMO they would have created an organized feudal system even more brutal, organized and secure, than the one we had.
We're coming to those crossroads again - a whole new techno-feudal society where there are the land and resource owners, and then there's everyone else who lives on that land and has access to those resources at their pleasure... or a new dark ages, where no coherent power controls anything. We're fast coming to a point where there is no third way out.
I'll close this out with one thing - only one of those outcomes brings the remotest possibility of life getting any better.
GopperStopper2680
(397 posts)You're quite right cthulhu2016. The mantra of nonviolence has removed one of the only checks that have kept the pseudo-aristocracy in its place over the decades in America. Well, with things getting as out of hand as they are that could change at any time. I frankly do not think, in the face of the continuance of this level of governmental and social failure that it'll be long before people litterally get midieval on their asses.
BTW love the name. Big Lovecraft fan here.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)I expect to dominate in the coastal states.
(I am pretty sure the stock DU avatar here is one of H. G. Wells' Martians, though. But Cthulu, like Mohammed, probably shouldn't be depicted anyway.)