Michael Moore all over the NY Post 911 Saudi story.

[Kingofalldems]

'Incontrovertible evidence that top Saudi officials helped 911 hijackers. Bob Graham calls it a coverup.

https://twitter.com/MMFlint

Hope this has legs.

[KansDem]

1. Release the 28 pages...

[font size="5"]NOW!!![font size="2"]

[billhicks76]

16. Should Be #1 Story

Bush and Cheney helped the Saudis slip out. They were in cahoots with them.

[NealK]

72. Why do you hate Obama?

[billhicks76]

124. Lol

[Berlum]

76. Release the Kracken*

*(28 pages)

[leftyohiolib]

2. never mind that SADDAM IS BUYING YELLOW CAKE FROM NIGER EVERYBODY RUN!!!!!

terror color code red alert !!!!

[Wilms]

4. AGAIN!1!!

OK.



Let me know when it's safe for democracy.

[Jackpine Radical]

104. I'm sorry--

We had to destroy democracy in order to save it.

[Kingofalldems]

3. If this turns out to be true

Treason on a massive scale has been committed.

[riqster]

5. Bro, that happened when the Supremes allowed Bush to steal the White House. nt

[joeybee12]

6. +1

[mikeysnot]

9. And we were told to "Get over it"

by the same people that cannot accept the fact the Obama WON two elections outright.

[calimary]

12. AND called "Sore Losermen." Why are we not returning that nice little favor now?

Why does no one call these bastards "Sore Losermen" - and throw it back in their faces? Especially since they've earned it?!?

[mikeysnot]

15. I do.

I said that to my parents and it went over their head? 2k memories....

I was like, I am going to give you the same advice you parroted off of Hannity in 2001, "get over it!"

I really don't think they remember, and it is not old age.

[riqster]

75. Sad but true.

Wingnuts are such blinkered idiots, they cannot see a connection between the two cases.

[mikeysnot]

85. I agree

it is tough cause it is my parents.


My mother was going on about how thank god for Medicare and SS for helping my 94 year old grandmother out.

I looked at her and was like "Those damn socialist programs taking money from me and giving it to someone else..."

Blank stare. sad, but true.

[riqster]

91. My father was that way. It is hard.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

42. How about this?

[NealK]

73. Now shut up and look forward, not backward.

[mikeysnot]

86. I prefer to look both ways.

The eagle needs both wings to fly...

[NealK]

90. The one that landed on the Moon didn't need stinking wings.

[Enthusiast]

95. Don't forget we were also told we would, "Look forward."

Part of the cover-up.

[skydive forever]

10. Yep

[calimary]

70. Welcome to DU, skydive forever!

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Glad you're here. And yep indeed. He was never anything other than resident bush to me. And nobody covered the uproar about the inaugural parade that day that was stopped by protesters asserting the election was stolen. My husband and I went to see "Fahrenheit/911" and were so outraged. As we walked to the parking lot I said - "do you remember seeing ANY coverage of that on Inauguration Day? ANY at all?" He didn't. I sure didn't either. OUTRAGED!!!! And yeah, they called us Sore Losermen and said we should shut up and get over it.

Well, I think they oughta wear that around themselves, now. And until the end of President Obama's second term. THEY need to shut up and get over it.

[sabrina 1]

97. And don't forget how they tried to stop theaters from showing Fahrenheit 9/11, some even

threatening to blow up theaters if they showed it. MM was vilified and threatened for making it and had to hire bodyguards to protect his family. But I don't recall any arrests of those issuing those threats.

People were nervous going to the theater to see it.

And I won't forget how some on the Left joined in the vilification of MM, which is how I used to know they were not Democrats and the beginning of the infiltration, online, of Left forums.

[Jamastiene]

55. [phone]

[Maynar]

63. Move along

nothing to see here.

[calimary]

71. Amen.

Still pisses me off!!!

[riqster]

77. Me too.

[Enthusiast]

94. So that they could then carry

out the 911 operation, the Iraq War and the Wall Street operation. And they had FUN torturing "suspects". What do you bet Cheney was DIRECTLY involved in the torture.

[rhett o rick]

47. There is no doubt in my mind that treason has been committed. But knowing that and being

able to do something about it are different. Until the masses figure out they are being fucked, we will continue this crap.

[Corruption Inc]

50. "If this turns out to be true", LOL

There's so much evidence that's been proven over the last 12 years it's impossible to even remember it. Start with a search for "Coleen Rowley", throw in a search for "Sibel Edmonds" and the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, then try to remember the entire WMD propaganda campaign that was a result of 9/11.

"If it turns out to be true", LMFAO!

[rurallib]

83. Nixon committed treason, Reagan committed treason

I am seeing a pattern here.

[freebrew]

84. Right!

And it rhymes with BFEE.

[Octafish]

96. NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!1111 Not according to the authorities.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024183809#post4

Which is an odd POV, considering how hard some work or spend their free time to "figure out" the motives of DUers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024176773#post17

[L0oniX]

100. "Are you kidding me?"

[KoKo]

7. From the NYPost Article:

Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup

by Paul Sperry


Is the federal government protecting the Saudis? Case agents tell me they were repeatedly called off pursuing 9/11 leads back to the Saudi Embassy, which had curious sway over White House and FBI responses to the attacks.

Just days after Bush met with the Saudi ambassador in the White House, the FBI evacuated from the United States dozens of Saudi officials, as well as Osama bin Laden family members. Bandar made the request for escorts directly to FBI headquarters on Sept. 13, 2001 — just hours after he met with the president. The two old family friends shared cigars on the Truman Balcony while discussing the attacks.

---
Astonishing as that sounds, few lawmakers in fact have bothered to read the classified section of arguably the most important investigation in US history.

-----
As the frustrated Joint Inquiry authors warned, in an overlooked addendum to their heavily redacted 2002 report, “State-sponsored terrorism substantially increases the likelihood of successful and more ­lethal attacks within the United States.”

Their findings must be released, even if they forever change US-Saudi relations. If an oil-rich foreign power was capable of orchestrating simultaneous bulls-eye hits on our centers of commerce and defense a dozen years ago, it may be able to pull off similarly devastating attacks today.

Members of Congress reluctant to read the full report ought to remember that the 9/11 assault missed its fourth target: them.

-----------
Paul Sperry is a Hoover Institution media fellow and author of “Infiltration” and “Muslim Mafia.”
Filed under9/11, Censorship, CIA, George W. Bush, National Security, September 11, Terrorism

[2banon]

27. Good points..

unfortunately this source would be considered dubious at best by many on the left. I'm not familiar with Paul Sperry, but he hails from the Hoover Institute? and it was published in the NY Post.. too bad it wasn't published in the NYT or the Washington Post. (I know, I know)

It does seem like I just read a piece in the NYT supporting this report, however. (if memory serves)

[LTR]

29. Ha! I LOVE the source!

Show any mouth-breathing Obama hater this, then tell them where it came from. I love using RW news sources to call them on their bullshit. I also like using sources that people THINK are RW but really aren't (i.e. Christian Science Monitor, which is pretty straightforward).

[2banon]

35. Good point, hadn't thought of that angle.

I've never thought the Christian Science was right wing per se. Always had a straight up approach from anything I've ever read published by them. That said, it's always an article that was mentioned elsewhere, never think about CS as a go to, first stop source.. hmm, maybe I should look at them more closely, come to think of it.

[Ace Acme]

56. CS Monitor had excellent coverage of Osama's escape from Afghanistan with 1600 al Qaeda

One of their journalists in a hotel lobby in Jalalabad overheard local warlords (the ones hired by the US military to guard the trails from Tora Bora to Pakistan) selling letters of transit to al Qaeda representatives.

[2banon]

68. Yes, I remember that story

there were other similar stories at the time, CS were pretty much doing excellent journalism at the time.. but to speak to the matter of the death of Osama bin Laden, (Dec 2001) was reported at the time and repeated by Benazir Bhutto in an interview during her run for President (Pakistan) just before she was assassinated. It wasn't a common narrative obviously, but that report was referenced from time to time, by people who was likely in the position to know. Mysterious.

[SummerSnow]

110. Do you this can get HUGE. Omg heads will roll

[dougolat]

64. And don't forget about the expedited visas of most of those 15 Saudis...

...double agent material, doncha know?

[Roland99]

8. Hallilburton is salivating to invade and get ahold of *that* oil!

[mitty14u2]

11. It wasnt in 9/11 Commission Report, It didnt happen! Geeez

[KansDem]

13. We were hired guns for the Saudis when Saddam invaded Kuwait...

DU thread

[rhett o rick]

48. Our country supplies the "hired guns" for all major corporations. We are no longer sovereign. nm

[adirondacker]

54. Just like a Banana Republic with bombs. nt

[Ace Acme]

57. Not only that, Ambassador April Glaspie gave the Green Light to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait.

She told him "We have no interest in your border disputes".

http://warisacrime.org/content/april-glaspie-cable-green-light-gulf-war-one

[cal04]

14. Paul Sperry responds

UPDATE- Paul Sperry responds: “Unger and Moore have their own agendas. mine aligns with the FBI WFO case agents and FCPD* detectives who say they’ll never forgive the Bush admin for throttling their investigation of leads back to Saudi Embassy and Bandar himself in McLean. they view the former POTUS as a traitor.”

http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/12/15/murdochs-nypost-today-backs-michael-moore-bush-saudi-claims-from-fahrenheit-911

[dougolat]

65. Wow! .. nt

[HomerRamone]

17. What's in this for Murdoch? nt

[99th_Monkey]

25. Being the "next Bob Woodward".

Could retire for life as desired, or go stellar professionally.

not a bad payoff really, if he doesn't get "suicided" for his efforts.

[HomerRamone]

39. Rupert Murdoch, of Fox News fame

is the Post's owner, not the reporter

[99th_Monkey]

44. ah missed that. thanks for the correction. ~nt

[watoos]

93. That's the same question that I have been pondering.

I can't come up with a reason. The New York Post is a Republican propaganda machine. Have the Saudis stepped on someone's toes? Will this limit the Saudis influence, because that's all I see coming out of this? For this story to grow legs the M$M will have to get behind it and I don't see the corporate controlled media doing that.

[JoeyT]

99. Forcing Obama to come out and defend it.

Linking him to the one crime Bush committed that he hasn't already defended and virtually ensuring no one in the future will ever investigate any of the Bush residency's shenanigans. Well, probably the last one. Maybe.

[Raine1967]

118. I had a very similar thought.

It puts Obama in a place where he's going to be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

[MannyGoldstein]

18. I think this will be a "look forward to the future" kinda thing.

But pot smokers? Jail.

[riderinthestorm]

19. Come on Snowden! Release the intel supporting this report. I'm sure the NSA has/had it

[2banon]

38. I wonder if he had already sent that out to the Guardian /NYT etc.. and they're sitting on it.

hmm.. now would be a good time for Greenwald to disseminate that out..

[OnyxCollie]

53. The editor of The Guardian

said on Democracy Now! that they have Iraq/Afghanistan documents from Snowden, but they are not the (current) focus.

[Cali_Democrat]

78. Of course it isn't their current focus.

Docs on Iraq/Afghanistan would make the Bush admin look bad.

Can't have that.

Greenwald himself was an admitted Bush supporter. He's also sitting on Iraq docs that will likely never see the light of day.

More proof this is political IMO.

[mountain grammy]

20. Dare we hope to ever know the truth?

[Pharaoh]

21. But But......

we can't talk about this here! You have to post this in the dungeon so nobody can see it or recomend it.

You obviously don't know the DU rules

[Triana]

22. I tweeted him the link to the NYPost story (which I found here on DU)

yesterday asking him "have you seen this?"

I guess he has now!

[Kingofalldems]

30. Good job.

[Cleita]

23. Michael was the first one to point to the connection in Fahrenheit 9/11. And he was boo'ed at the

Oscars and villified in the RWing press for it. Then there were the kissy and hand holding pics between Prince Bandar and George W. Bush. Then some time later Bush said he didn't spend much time thinking about Osama bin Laden when asked about it. There was such a Kabuki dance about this issue all through his administration. This was the reason many Americans, who were trying to figures this out, started the MIHOP(made it happen on purpose) and LIHOP(let it happen on purpose) conspiracy theories about this. Let's hope the whole truth comes out sometime before it's too late to send the whole lot of them to the International Criminal Court for war crimes.

[Kingofalldems]

33. While Bush held hands and strolled down lover's lane

with a Saudi prince.

[Ace Acme]

59. According to one reporter Howard Dean suggested that GWB had advance knowledge of 9/11

Bush's response is pretty telling

[Cleita]

62. Damn, is he stoned, drugged or drunk in that clip. n/t

[Berlum]

79. When you lie that blatantly and publicly about something so important, it shakes the soul

xCommander AWOL Bush cannot hide the truth.

[LittleGirl]

88. Indeed, was he? n/t

[99th_Monkey]

24. Go MM!! Shout it from the fucking rooftops. ~nt

[Holly_Hobby]

26. KnR!

This has been in the dungeon since 9/11 where it never belonged in the first place! I hope ALL the truths in the dungeon finally see the light of day.

[cpwm17]

40. No it hasn't

This stuff is regularly in GD. It's not CT nonsense.

[Holly_Hobby]

87. Were you here shortly after 9/11?

I know this stuff was posted here around that time and it was relegated to the "conspiracy dungeon". However, Graham's statements are more detailed at this point.

[Blue_Adept]

112. It came up a lot back then.

Not constantly, and not dominating thread starts, but it was definitely there. But at the time, man, there was SO much being talked about and so many ideas about what had been going on.

I still remember vividly the way threads went on 9/11 itself here. A huge flow of information, verified and not, that it was dizzying.

[spanone]

28. and that's why we invaded iraq and afghanistan...

[madfloridian]

31. Also interview today with Bob Graham on Huffpost on same topic.

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/senator-bob-graham-on-bush-saudi-911-coverup/52a88eaa78c90a42b700023e

An Op-Ed in the NY Post is raising new suspicions about Saudi Arabia's role in 9/11 and the Bush Administration's role in covering it up. We discuss the cover up with former Senator and Chairman of the Select Intelligence Committee Bob Graham.

Originally aired on December 16, 2013
Hosted by: Mike Sacks

5 minutes in on the 2001 flight

[KoKo]

34. Dupe...slow DU Reload..ignore

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[2banon]

37. That was worth listening to, thanks. There have been other postings with Senator Graham speaking out

on this matter. He did speak out about this years and years ago, but frankly he's been silent until now. Maybe he was "silenced", dunno. but I'm happy to see the reports and to have him speaking up again.

Anyone care to wager a bet that we'll never see him on Charlie Rose before long?

[NightWatcher]

32. Shut up all you nutty conspiracy wackjobs

I don't care if you're right about what really happened either. Kidding, I'm in the ranks of the doubters.

I wonder if/when we'll know about how much hanky panky went on behind the scenes and to which level it rose.

Of course we've been lied to.

[indepat]

36. Tammy, please tell me it is not true that high-ranking officials of our government were party to

a cover-up of information about those who allegedly aided in the 9-11 terrorist attacks, for such cover-up would seem a tad more of an impeachable offense that lying about a stain on a blue dress having nothing to do with performance of official duties. But what one person know?

[Fawke Em]

41. Watching the news all night and not a peep.

But that might ruin the narrative.

[solarhydrocan]

43. k/r

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

[rhett o rick]

45. I cant imagine that the CT posse isnt all over this thread.

I have him on iggy so someone let me know if he posts here.

[global1]

46. Let's Say That There Was Some Sort Of Cover-Up By BushCo.......

and that top Saudi officials did help the 911 hijackers and Bushco knew about it and aided the Saudi's in getting out of this country during the air traffic shutdown.

How do you think the Repugs in office will react to this? Will they come to the aid of Bushco or will they turn on Bushco?

[rhett o rick]

49. Sadly that's not the real concern. It's not R v D. It's 1% v 99%. None of the elite will give

a shit about this. If we found out incontrovertibly that Cheney and the Saudi's were behind the 9/11 attacks, the media would try to lynch Snowden.

[nikto]

69. Watch out for the RightWingers' old standby: OMG, it's gay marriage!!!!

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Gay marriage! Gay marriage!!


Illegal immigrants!!!


War on Christmas!!!!!!!

Benghazi!!

Whitewater!!

Travelgate!!



(And when they run out of gas)
Oh, heck, all politicians are corrupt anyway.

[Enthusiast]

105. I don't think it is a plausible assumption

to believe Bushco would cover up Saudi involvement in 911. If there was Saudi involvement in 911 there was Bushco involvement in 911. Simple as that. Two peas in one pod.

[global1]

113. OK - I'll Buy That - So If That Is The Case - How Will Repugs And Repug Talking Heads.....

react? Will they try and deny it? Will they try and discredit it in some way? Will they be appalled by it and denounce Bushco? What would be their reaction?

[Enthusiast]

115. They always try to deny and discredit any criticism. First they attack the messenger.

If the Bush Administration were to have their crimes exposed, the righties might rally and claim Bushco was justified and right to do as they did. Of course that claim would be absurd.

[Ace Acme]

117. First they ignore the message. Maybe the cowering media will leave it alone.

I'm not finding any reports of this resolution in the mainstream news--except the NY Post.

Premature attacks on the messenger only bring publicity to the message.

If it doesn't go away, the attacks can begin. The careers of Sen. Daschle, Sen. Dayton, Sen. Cleland, and Sen. Wellstone show what can happen.

[applegrove]

51. MM is amazing. Just when I think he goes too far, turns out he's right.

[TroglodyteScholar]

52. You know, we STILL sell those motherfuckers loads of advanced weapon systems every year

Maybe even more than before 9/11 (and less to the Israelis?) I don't particularly like selling either of them weapons.

With friends like these....

(Shit, not two weeks ago: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/07/us-raytheon-saudi-missiles-idUSBRE9B50SF20131207)

[adirondacker]

58. We have to pay our debt to China somehow. :/ nt

[freshwest]

60. Cheney's secret energy summit; Iran Contra; Erupting for 2014 & 2016. And M$M still sucks. n/t

[AzDar]

61. K & R

[Warren DeMontague]

66. K&R

[KansDem]

67. One last observation, if I may...

Bush can't remember how he found out about the first WTC attack.

He saw it on TV--

He was notified about it (0'50&quot --

Which is it? Anyone in the media ever ask him to clarify?

[NealK]

74. They all make me sick.

They cover ear others asses and then everybody look shocked.

[Feral Child]

80. K&R n/t

[Jerry442]

81. If a kid had robbed a liquor store and somebody got killed...

...and we had the same level of evidence against him that we have had for years against the Saudis and Bush et al., the jury would have sent the kid straight to the chair.

[Enthusiast]

106. Yeah?

Well the kid is probably black so it's okay. Why can't you understand?

[Ligyron]

82. Wonder who shorted American Airline stock previous to the attack? eom

[RC]

98. The last I heard, no one has come forward to claim the money yet.

[cbdo2007]

89. someone needs to leak these documents so we can see the truth

[Enthusiast]

92. The Bush Administration

not only allowed 911 to take place, they were directly involved in planning the operation along with the Saudis. It was a false flag operation all the way.

[SammyWinstonJack]

103. ...

[dotymed]

101. Most Americans do not care.

It is sickeningly true.
There is so much evidence, on a plethora of traitorous activities.... on a previous post about America being a police state via the NSA, I was informed that since I could post my views, obviously I was insane.....

The most brainwashed, non-thinking people in the world are here....
I believe N. Koreans question more than our "average citizens."
At this point, IMO, "they" have won.

[Berlum]

102. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) & Intimate Oil-Bud Bandar Bush (R)

[Enthusiast]

107. Does this mean we can have

a new war?

We can now invade Saudi Arabia?

I mean, we have to, right?

Won't they greet us as liberators?

The oil will pay for the war, doncha know.

[tclambert]

108. I thought Nicholas Brody did it all.

Somebody should hang that guy.

[CJCRANE]

109. What is Murdoch's angle in all this?

Has he seen the light?

Is it payback for Blair fooling around with his wife?

Or does he think that he can now cause more chaos by revealing the truth rather than suppressing it?

Whatever his motives, I think there should be a Truth and Reconciliation Committee that opens the books on 9/11, the torture, the wars, the spying, all of it. Get it all out in the open.

[Vox Moi]

111. Nobody followed the money … afraid of where it would lead to?

No criminal investigation of 911.
No accounting for the money and logistical support the 911 attack required.
Heavily censored reports.
Bush and Cheney: testify together, not under oath, no recordings or notes allowed.

Nothing to see here … move along please.

[raouldukelives]

114. One step closer to justice for 9/11 victims. nt

[madrchsod]

116. old news...

unless someone starts publishing names ,dates,and other details.

remember fitzgerald's investigation and judy miller/nyt?

[LiberalLovinLug]

121. You are sadly correct

I am always amused, (in a black humour kind of way) at the rowdy celebrations on DU whenever a story comes out showing criminal or traitorous behaviour in some asshole right wing neo-con. Lines like "the dominoes are falling!" "I can't wait to finally see ____ go to jail!" etc..

Fact is the news media in America, in North America, have become ultra sophisticated in their propaganda mission. They have developed a Pavlovian response conditioning in the majority of their audience. If a story is given the short shift or more likely not even brought up, then it means its not that important or not true. If its repeated ad nauseam "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi!!!" it becomes the truth.

If a tree falls in the forest and a corporate-bound news reporter sees it, it will not be heard about.

Instead they go into the forest and cut down a nice big noticeable tree, that wouldnt' have fallen on its own, with a chainsaw and then drag it out of the woods for everyone to see.

[alfredo]

119. Kick this

[Carolina]

122. Michael actually demonstrated the BFFE-Saudi-911 link

years ago in his film Fahrenheit 911.

Geez, 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia as was Osama. The other 4 were from Yemen, UAE and Egypt... not an Iraqi among them and Iraq had been under awful US led, UN sanctions since the 1st Bush war. Thus, Iraq was no possible or plausible threat. When Darth Cheney and others of that evil cabal would populate the Sunday morning shows in 2002 and 2003 justifying action against Iraq by purporting a link between the 19 and some vague meeting in Iraq or with an Iraqi, I'd scream at the TV: they learned to fly HERE in the US, so by that logic are we going to bomb ourselves.

The truth has been apparent all along despite the lying deceit of the cabal and the complicit media.

[Kingofalldems]

123. As another poster put in this thread--we need to see those 28 redacted pages

of the 911 report.