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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 08:41 AM Mar 2012

There is no way on this planet that Pres. Obama polls so badly against any of the Klowns

Sure, I admit that there are too many people who think that Pres. Obama is a "Mooslem", or that they STILL cannot believe that a black man is in the White House, or their piety tells them that he's too "librul" to be an American, or whatever bullshit excuse they have to not support him for any reason.

But, these fools represent about 28% of the regular voting public, not 28% of Americans in total.... That's 28% of voters that bother to answer polls with lopsided questions. And what, only half of eligible people even bother to vote anyway? I dunno, do any of you guys have the hard numbers on this? So what we're seeing is nowhere near a true reflection of actual sentiment, it can't be.

Plus add the fact that every one of the Klowns have negativity numbers that outweigh the positive numbers. The Prez has been beating them with better positives all this time.

Frankly, I'm thinking that the Media, who always seems to find a way to make this a suspense-filled horse race down the track is doing this once again, because they're loathed to admit that the Republican party is BROKEN. Support for them is in the dumpster. Women, non-whites, half of the country (which is pretty liberal anyway) are not supporting them, so who is and how the hell can these numbers in the majority? Simply look at small donations for the Klowns, they're are laughable compared to those of the President. To call support for Republicans "anemic" would be an overly generous description. So, they have no option but to keep the charade going by playing with the numbers.

As you all know, 38% of statistics are simply made up anyway.

If the GOP is broken, that means that our entire political system is hanging by a string. In spite of my strongly held partisan belief in the Democratic Party, I know for sure that a failed Republican Party spells disaster for our democratic republic. Without a viable conservative wing, it creates the condition for far right wing extremism to flourish.

That does no one any good.

I can't in all conscience believe that support for the Republicans is actually as high as they say it is... The Klowns are just too despised.

I'm sure that the open secret is that the Media is man behind the curtain, pulling the levers, keeping attention on the Great and All-Powerful.

I have no doubt the the President is going to be reelected, because it doesn't look right at all that a majority of Americans have come to the conclusion that any of the Klowns can do a better job than the one President Obama has done for the past three years with one hand tied behind his back.

It doesn't make any sense at all to believe otherwise... It just doesn't feel right.

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Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
1. Agree 100%
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:01 AM
Mar 2012

I think of this as "the election that wasn't." I believe the media is fudging the numbers to keep people interested and to have something to talk about. But, like you, I think the numbers they present against the President are absurd.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
2. You made me think back to when bush and cheney stole the 2000 election
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:06 AM
Mar 2012

and how awful I felt. This nightmare only got worst after 9/11 and bush/cheney destruction of the middle class, et al.

If there was a mirror to me, someone who felt awful because Obama was elected (trying to put myself into their shoes), I could see how it would be hard to reach these people with reason. Their world isn't about reason in any sense of the word. I'm talking about the right wing base, which I guess is made up the teabaggers/religious bigots and few GOP who just don't know who to support for pres. this go around. You're right they are a small group of vocal people. These are lost people. We may some day appeal to them. But, we don't have time to educate them.

The middle, indies always seem to make the difference in elections and if the democrats show up to vote like they did in 2008. I think that the GOP has so alienated every group of people that isn't a white male it's surprising that we can still feel a little doubt that President Obama could be reelected. I for one feel good about this year. They are lost people, the base is afraid and the middle is seeing the light. Will they come out to vote is the question. I don't think they have the numbers to make a difference.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
3. This post might help explain it.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:14 AM
Mar 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002418319

Didn't know if you had seen it. The MSM is apparently changing the parameters in the middle of the game. There is no way to know what kind of change there would be with comparable groups. A lot of the change is probably due to the change in the make up of the groups they ask.

Polls are inherently wrong, thus the margin error. These polls are not valid as a measure against previous ones. They would be against another poll with the same groups.





CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
4. I want to believe you, but I just worry that people are so upset about the gas prices
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:19 AM
Mar 2012

that they want to blame somebody and Obama gets the blame.

We can't underestimate the effect of high gas prices on the economy as a whole. It adds to the cost of our food, for instance. So even if you conserve gas and limit unnecessary driving you can't avoid the hike in food prices at the supermarket. Maybe in the summer you can grow a lot of your produce or buy locally grown, but now, in CT, that is not possible. We are being held hostage -- and I agree that the higher gas prices involve a lot of speculation -- and lots of the "public" wants to blame somebody...

 

lacrew

(283 posts)
5. IMHO, President Obama is not running against a Republican
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:21 AM
Mar 2012

The election will be a referendum on his record.

For better, or for worse.

Therefore, I pin his chances on his own approval ratings, not theoretical matchups.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
7. I'm just fishing as to how a slightly-right-of-center president could be deemed a "librul".
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:24 AM
Mar 2012

I could explain it in terms a third-grader would understand and they wouldn't be able to process it. Dumb people getting dumber "information" will be the death of this country.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
8. All of those are the same people and they make up about 20 some percent
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:26 AM
Mar 2012

of the population and mostly due to the lies they hear on their teevees and radio spouted by the whole fox crew and rush limbaugh.
I agree with you, I'll go so far to say that Obama's real approval rating is more like 65% long before I'll believe it to be in the 40's as bob sheifer (spelling) just said on cbs this morning.
I won't give the old turd the respect it would take to look up the correct spelling as I think you all know who I'm talking about.
Peace
Have a good day.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
9. I agree with you
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:30 AM
Mar 2012

I have no doubt he will be re-elected. Those 'disapproval' numbers being put up today (CBS Poll I think) in regards to his foreign policy . . .

It's because of us. . . those of us on the Left.

Gas price 'control' - that I don't know. But the foreign policy is heavily weighted by liberals and progressives.

But - at the end of the day? There's no way in hell anyone on the left will vote for any of those guys driving around in that clown car. No way. No how.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
10. I thought the same thing before President Carter lost to a B-actor named Reagan
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 09:34 AM
Mar 2012

In a perfect world you are correct.

Unfortunately for us we don't live in a perfect world.

Don

alc

(1,151 posts)
11. most people don't care/know anything at this point
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 10:09 AM
Mar 2012

DU is not the norm. Go to your park or grocery store or anywhere else and ask 10 people to name the current Republican candidates - I'd bet even people who voted in the republican primary last week would have a hard time listing them all (and a majority didn't even vote in the primary). Most people won't pay much attention until August or later.

People are asked "Obama vs Romney?" or "Obama vs any Republican?". But they answer

"Am I better off than 4 years ago?"
or
"Is the economy good?"
or
"Are gas prices too high?"

or some people have a specific issue they care about so answer

"Am I happy with the war situation(s)?"
or
"Is Obamacare working for me?"
or
"What has my union gained in 3 year? (i.e. card check)"

I don't expect a lot to change by the election. The choice in the battleground states will likely be "Keep Obama" or "Change" and it won't matter what "change" means.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
13. It's because the campaign is not about the presidency, it's about the ideology
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 10:34 AM
Mar 2012

These clowns are successfully moving the country to the right every time a week is dedicated to discussing whether or not Obama is a snob or the constitutional nuances of banning contraception.

On the one hand, the GOP is broken in that it's not providing viable candidates and viable solutions. On the other hand, they have been very successful in messaging, lying, deceiving, and polarizing. Must read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/santorum-strategy_b_1338708.html

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
14. Having almost an entire generation of Reaganites interspersed among us doesn't help much
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:41 AM
Mar 2012

And we can't tell who they are either. Because they look and act kind of normal. But they aren't.

Don

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