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Pryderi

(6,772 posts)
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:13 AM Mar 2012

GOP's Winning Frames -Lakoff

George Lakoff: "Conservative language, even when argued against, activates and strengthens conservative brain circuitry. This is extremely important for so-called "independents," who actually have both conservative and liberal moral systems in their brains and can shift back and forth. The more they hear conservative language over the next eight months, the more their conservative brain circuitry will be strengthened."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/santorum-strategy_b_1338708.html
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GOP's Winning Frames -Lakoff (Original Post) Pryderi Mar 2012 OP
democrats will NEVER get Lakoff and implement his strategies...dems need to stand for and msongs Mar 2012 #1
When Democrats speak of "government" solving problems. Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #2
Maybe Lakoff forgot about just one big detail. Amonester Mar 2012 #3
I hate to point this out nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #4
Lakoff never gets around to stating how we should frame arguments. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #7
Actually he has nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #11
ok , so what are his recommended framings for right now? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #14
Stick to democratic values nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #15
those appear to be your framings, not lakoffs. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #16
I've read his books nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #17
good for you. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #18
Here's a link to the archived material from Rockridge Institute auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #19
"ex is a has=been, spurt is a drip under pressure" hfojvt Mar 2012 #8
An expert ? surfdog Mar 2012 #13
the point is they are still getting their message out there: Locrian Mar 2012 #9
one thing DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #5
another problem is the Democrats who keep promoting Republican talking points hfojvt Mar 2012 #10
Which was one of lakkoff's points nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #12
Which is why I sort of was hoping the libertarian would win the republican primary Matariki Mar 2012 #6

msongs

(67,420 posts)
1. democrats will NEVER get Lakoff and implement his strategies...dems need to stand for and
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:19 AM
Mar 2012

strongly advocate core democratic beliefs and NOT responds to repubs. everyone knows what repubs value, so what do dems value? Advocate for it and run on the emotional message that supports those values. don't let right wingers control the agenda yet again

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. When Democrats speak of "government" solving problems.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:23 AM
Mar 2012

they should say that "we as a society need to come together and decide our future".

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
3. Maybe Lakoff forgot about just one big detail.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 02:01 AM
Mar 2012

I don't believe independent women will let themselves overwhelmed by the current conservative War On Women's Rights immoral system.

Someone should let him know everything about that big detail...

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. I hate to point this out
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 02:34 AM
Mar 2012

But dems keep ignoring Lakkoff. He is an expert like Luntz. It is ironic, conservatives follow Luntz, he's effective. Dems see, to run away from Lakoff in spite of all emerging science.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. Lakoff never gets around to stating how we should frame arguments.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 07:26 AM
Mar 2012

I guess that is because he sells that advice.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. Actually he has
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:46 PM
Mar 2012

And he has been systematically ignored by dem elites. For the record Luntz does not work for free either.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
15. Stick to democratic values
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:07 PM
Mar 2012

Stick to workers rights. Emphasize dems are for healthcare, not run from it.

Those are just from top of head.

Don't speak of school reform, a conservative frame, but of necesary changes to modernize education.

I could go on.

Don't worry, per usual our politicos will adopt the lower taxes meme, and family values if the social war seems to pick any steam

Good examples of what Lakoff recomenfed and accidentally or on purpose the occupy movement did right was we are the 99%

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
16. those appear to be your framings, not lakoffs.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 03:44 PM
Mar 2012

Got a link?

I am actually not trying to be obnoxious (that comes to me effortlessly) I am frustrated with Lakoff as every time I read anything by him, he stops just short of making any specific recommendations.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
18. good for you.
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 06:01 PM
Mar 2012

Like I said, lakoff never actually says what he thinks our framing ought to be, other than in vague generalities.

auburngrad82

(5,029 posts)
19. Here's a link to the archived material from Rockridge Institute
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 07:20 PM
Mar 2012

Rockridge Institute was Lakoff's website founded to teach Democrats and Progressives to use framing to get their points across.

http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/resource-center/rockridge-institute/

Also, you can read Moral Politics by Lakoff if you wanted to read about framing. For a shorter read try Don't Think of an Elephant. I also have a DVD of Lakoff discussing framing. I think it's called How Democrats and Progressives Can Win, but I'm not sure and I don't feel like getting up to verify the title. All of them are probably available on Amazon.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. "ex is a has=been, spurt is a drip under pressure"
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 07:51 AM
Mar 2012

Just something a Tom Kirkham said about the word "expert".

I was not that impressed with "Don't think of an elephant" It seemed to me that he got several things rather blatantly wrong.

Having said that, I cannot remember what those things were, just that impression that I came away with from the book, that it was not that good.

 

surfdog

(624 posts)
13. An expert ?
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:57 PM
Mar 2012

The guy sounds like a idiot

His view is the longer the war on women goes , the stronger women will be for the GOP

Polls show he has no idea what he is talking about .... None

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
9. the point is they are still getting their message out there:
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 07:56 AM
Mar 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/santorum-strategy_b_1338708.html

This is anything but an irrational position for radically conservative Republicans. Quite the contrary. It fits conservative moral logic -- the logic used by conservative populists, male for sure and for many women as well. In some respects it embodies the most powerful aspects of conservative moral logic, strengthening conservative moral logic in the minds not only of conservatives, but also of independents who have both conservative and progressive world views and swing between them.

Here's how that logic goes.

* The strict father determines what happens in the family, including reproduction. Thus reproduction is the province of male authority.

* The strict father does not condone moral weakness and self-indulgence without moral consequences. Sex without reproductive consequences is thus seen as immoral.

* If the nation supports birth control for unmarried women, then the nation supports immoral behavior.

The conservative stress on individual responsibility means that you and no one else should have to pay for your birth control -- not your employer, your HMO, or the taxpayers.

* Having to pay for your birth control also has a metaphorical religious value -- paying for your sins.



That is what makes conservative moral logic into such a powerful instrument. And conservative and independent women can be pragmatic about the birth control details, while accepting the moral logic as a whole.



bold emphasis added

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
5. one thing
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 02:38 AM
Mar 2012

The problem is that liberals have one megaphone, while the right was three that go 24/7..How can hear less conservative language?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
10. another problem is the Democrats who keep promoting Republican talking points
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 08:05 AM
Mar 2012

like

Tax cuts are good
we need to cut the deficit - desperately
entitlement spending needs to be cut

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. Which was one of lakkoff's points
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:47 PM
Mar 2012

You get it, I get it, neo libs don't. I think that's on purpose.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
6. Which is why I sort of was hoping the libertarian would win the republican primary
Tue Mar 13, 2012, 06:54 AM
Mar 2012

because it's going to be all culture war all the time for the next eight months. *sigh*

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