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G_j

(40,372 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 12:23 PM Dec 2013

Minn. Nat. Guard Member Charged with Stealing IDs for Militia

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/national-guard-charged-militia

Minn. Nat. Guard Member Charged with Stealing IDs for Militia

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A member of the Minnesota National Guard and self-described commander of a militia group was charged Wednesday with stealing names, Social Security numbers and security clearance levels of roughly 400 members of his former Army unit in Fort Bragg, N.C., so he could make fake IDs for his militia members.

According to a federal complaint and affidavit obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, Keith Michael Novak, 25, of Maplewood, threatened to use violence if authorities came to arrest him.

"I've my AK in my bed. If I hear that door kick, it's going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm just going to start putting them through the (expletive) wall," he told an undercover FBI employee in July, according to the affidavit unsealed Wednesday.

Novak was charged with committing fraud in connection with identification documents. He was in federal custody Wednesday and unavailable for comment. His father has an unlisted number, and attempts to reach him were unsuccessful. The federal defender's office has the case, but an attorney had not been selected to represent him by Wednesday evening.

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Minn. Nat. Guard Member Charged with Stealing IDs for Militia (Original Post) G_j Dec 2013 OP
Que the Gunnuts saying AKs are for hunting FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #1
Uh, you do know AKs are very difficult to privately own, right? HooptieWagon Dec 2013 #2
Not hard enough, I had a Tien1985 Dec 2013 #3
She's looking at a looonnnng jail term when she's caught. HooptieWagon Dec 2013 #4
Probably--if she's caught. Tien1985 Dec 2013 #5
When. Drug involvement means eventually she'll be caught. HooptieWagon Dec 2013 #7
First problem: nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #6
True. I assumed the reference was an AK47... HooptieWagon Dec 2013 #8
Likely it's a civilian version nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #10
The AR is at least a quality weapon. HooptieWagon Dec 2013 #12
And can throw it in muck and will keep on ticking nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #13
Yes, that was my point about reliability. HooptieWagon Dec 2013 #14
The Soviet Union used to give them away PeoViejo Dec 2013 #9
Let me repeat this nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #11
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. Uh, you do know AKs are very difficult to privately own, right?
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 12:42 PM
Dec 2013

Fully automatic weapons are very expensive, and require extensive background checks to possess. No one uses them to hunt, and they are rarely, almost never, involved in a crime in the US.

Tien1985

(920 posts)
3. Not hard enough, I had a
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:11 PM
Dec 2013

Crazy neighbor who owned one. She was a piece of work, has her whole property under surveillance. Her, her husband and adult son are heavy into drugs and although mostly harmless, she definitely had a violent side.

They kept the AK in the hall closet, loaded.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. She's looking at a looonnnng jail term when she's caught.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:29 PM
Dec 2013

Drugs and an unregistered automatic weapon.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
7. When. Drug involvement means eventually she'll be caught.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:41 PM
Dec 2013

Drugs bring out the crazy and stupid in people.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
6. First problem:
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:38 PM
Dec 2013

Assuming it is a full auto weapon. You do know we are the number one foreign market for the manufacturer right? It's like the AR...

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
8. True. I assumed the reference was an AK47...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:43 PM
Dec 2013

...automatic rifle. It might be a semi-auto civilian model...though lord knows why anyone would want one.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. Likely it's a civilian version
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:46 PM
Dec 2013

And I say the same about the AR15, why would anyone want one? There are far better hunting weapons out there.

Now if your pray has two legs, either are pretty damn good.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
12. The AR is at least a quality weapon.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:56 PM
Dec 2013

Well made, and fairly accurate at medium range, though not powerfull enough for hunting larger game. Like you say, not a good hunting rifle, but at least you CAN hunt with it. OTOH, AKs tend to be pretty crappy, though quality differs widely. Pretty inaccurate except at very close range. Their popularity in third-world war zones is their ultra low cost to manufacture, and utter simplicity that makes them easily to keep operational in poor enviroments. Not at all a useful hunting rifle or even a collectible. And even a poorly made one is probably pretty expensive when imported to the US.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. And can throw it in muck and will keep on ticking
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:02 PM
Dec 2013

Given actual ranges of most fire fights, I guess it's a debate between tumbling versus accuracy.

It is a popular military weapon for a reason and the Germans (the grand dads of it) figured this out by 1944.

As I said, if your target has two legs, both are good for that purpose.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
14. Yes, that was my point about reliability.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:17 PM
Dec 2013

Mud, dust, rain, no cleaning...and they still work. Accuracy (or lack thereof) not an issue b/c most gun battles occur at very close range, and all thats required is a reliable, cheap weapon that throws a lot of lead in the air. This is completely the opposite of hunting, which is why an AK would be the last weapon a hunter would use.
And as far as deadly, a pump-action shotgun is far more deadly at close range than an AK or AR. In WW1 the Germans were screaming bloody murder over Allies use of shotguns in trench warfare.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
9. The Soviet Union used to give them away
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 01:45 PM
Dec 2013

..now the Russians sell them to us at top Dollar for the US to have the pleasure of giving them away. Who's the Village Idiot now?

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