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Bragi

(7,650 posts)
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:48 PM Dec 2013

DOJ Agency Warns Of Police Militarization

DOJ Agency Warns Of Police Militarization

Radley Balko | December 9, 2013 9:27 AM ET

In the monthly e-newsletter for the Justice Department's Community Oriented Police Services (COPS) program, Senior Policy Analyst Karl Bickel sounds the alarm about the militarization of America's domestic police forces. Here's his conclusion:

Police chiefs and sheriffs may want to ask themselves—if after hiring officers in the spirit of adventure, who have been exposed to action oriented police dramas since their youth, and sending them to an academy patterned after a military boot camp, then dressing them in black battle dress uniforms and turning them loose in a subculture steeped in an “us versus them” outlook toward those they serve and protect, while prosecuting the war on crime, war on drugs, and now a war on terrorism—is there any realistic hope of institutionalizing community policing as an operational philosophy?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/09/doj-agency-warns-of-polic_n_4412377.html?utm_hp_ref=the-agitator



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DOJ Agency Warns Of Police Militarization (Original Post) Bragi Dec 2013 OP
And Department of Homeland Security is the umbrella tina tron Dec 2013 #1
In the WOD, this LEO bundling is called a MJTF: Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #9
"Funny, these kinds of things have been discussed for years by the likes of Alex Jones." dixiegrrrrl Dec 2013 #20
The problem with Alex Jones Bragi Dec 2013 #32
That's why you must always use your own discernment. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #33
Feels more and more libodem Dec 2013 #2
Yes, it does. I remember that era, things done for the people, but really not, but RKP5637 Dec 2013 #8
I don't like the libodem Dec 2013 #11
I agree with that so much! What we need is more trust, not institutionalized mistrust! Given RKP5637 Dec 2013 #38
Sorry, this is a duplicate Bragi Dec 2013 #3
It bears repeating. -EM Treant Dec 2013 #4
Different source and more opinion on yours. freshwest Dec 2013 #6
True that. Bragi Dec 2013 #10
Holder pushed back on a lot of things affecting minorities. Google a subject and add DOJ. n/t freshwest Dec 2013 #18
we can't have too many of these pscot Dec 2013 #17
COPS here is civilians working with police to solve and resolve issues before crimes happen. freshwest Dec 2013 #5
Wow! G_j Dec 2013 #7
This brings the issue to the local level. On election day look out who you are voting for for city jwirr Dec 2013 #12
Geee ...like we need warning. Did they just wake up? L0oniX Dec 2013 #13
A day late and a dollar short, as usual. Rex Dec 2013 #14
Well, now's a fine time to say something.... ReRe Dec 2013 #15
Congress appropriates the funding for all it. The 'buck' stops there... freshwest Dec 2013 #19
I mean who lauds over Homeland Security... ReRe Dec 2013 #24
You mean 'lords' right? The boss? The ones who created it. DHS is an agency, like the DOJ, EPA, etc. freshwest Dec 2013 #25
Thanks for setting me straight.... ReRe Dec 2013 #26
You are in error about what we can do. A full third of the Americans voters think empire is great. freshwest Dec 2013 #27
I know all of this, freshwest... ReRe Dec 2013 #28
A little OT, but here's one this morning on news, 6 yr. old boy suspended for kissing a girl RKP5637 Dec 2013 #39
wow ... who is giving all this military gear to the cops? isnt it doj littlewolf Dec 2013 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #21
K&R Corporate surveillance state. Corporate police state. woo me with science Dec 2013 #22
^ Wilms Dec 2013 #23
DOJ Gave Police The Power Corey Dec 2013 #29
While I agree, I can't see how change happens Bragi Dec 2013 #31
Recommend jsr Dec 2013 #30
The police must be ready to deal with the threat of peaceful demonstrations. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #34
Eliminate Byrne Grants and the COPS program. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #35
K&R cprise Dec 2013 #36
Kick! Heidi Dec 2013 #37
Hope Mr. Bickel gets promoted to a senior position at DOJ. Octafish Dec 2013 #40
Call me paranoid damnedifIknow Dec 2013 #41
 

tina tron

(160 posts)
1. And Department of Homeland Security is the umbrella
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 12:51 PM
Dec 2013

under which local, state and federal police have been bundled together. The small town cop walking the beat is gone and been replaced by a Federal police state.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
9. In the WOD, this LEO bundling is called a MJTF:
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:14 PM
Dec 2013

Multi-jurisdictional Task Force. It is something of a proof of concept for nationalizing and militarizing local police. For a brief time, GWB & Co. (with Cong approval) repealed the posse comittatus provisions in federal law which prevent the use of federal LEO from being used in local situations. This was restored post-Katrina.

Funny, these kinds of things have been discussed for years by the likes of Alex Jones.

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
32. The problem with Alex Jones
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 10:43 AM
Dec 2013

He is correct on his fears about the growing police state, but he is truly idiotic on most other things.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
8. Yes, it does. I remember that era, things done for the people, but really not, but
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:07 PM
Dec 2013

rather militarization.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
11. I don't like the
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:19 PM
Dec 2013

Screw your neighbor aspect. I have always thought tattletales, narcs, informants, and entrapment, were sleazy tactics. Pitting people against each other, breaking down trust. It is terrorizing and wrong.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
38. I agree with that so much! What we need is more trust, not institutionalized mistrust! Given
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:26 AM
Dec 2013

the technology today, I feel it will only grow worse ... maybe.

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
10. True that.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:18 PM
Dec 2013

I'm not sure what is more surprising to me: that this sentiment would be expressed in a DOJ community policing newesletter, or that DOJ still has a community policing newsletter.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. COPS here is civilians working with police to solve and resolve issues before crimes happen.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 01:59 PM
Dec 2013

They've got the hardware but the police are easy going.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
12. This brings the issue to the local level. On election day look out who you are voting for for city
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:21 PM
Dec 2013

council as they are the ones who ultimately control the community police. You should ask yourselves are we going to be ruled by fear or logic? FDR said it is fear that is the enemy. IMO he was right. We have been ruled by fear since raygun was elected. Time to let logic rule for a while.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
15. Well, now's a fine time to say something....
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 02:56 PM
Dec 2013

... who lauds over Homeland Security? DOJ or the MIC? As a matter of fact, who lauds over the MIC?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. I mean who lauds over Homeland Security...
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 02:31 AM
Dec 2013

hierarchically (is that even a word?) Does Homeland Security fall under the DOJ or under the MIC?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. You mean 'lords' right? The boss? The ones who created it. DHS is an agency, like the DOJ, EPA, etc.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 03:05 AM
Dec 2013

The MIC does not exist in any official sense. It is merely a term to describe a relationship very hard to get away from. It is the combination of elected officials who are lobbied for contracts to bring money to their districts or states.

Which create jobs in R & D, education, manufacturing, and every other field supporting those activities. People love all those jobs, they think they are so intelligent making all these things. But wise, no. The more accurate, original term was MICC. Congressional was dropped to not insult the voters, after all they elected Congress.

It stood for Military Industrial Congressional Complex. People want jobs, and will rationalize their employment by almost anything to see it as a good thing for the country.

The corporations employed have supplied of most of the technical innovations in our consumer culture. Almost all technical innovations are in some ways tied to warfare or defense, or space exploration, and applied to civilian life afterward. Some things are necessities, some not.

More complicated explanations use philosophies, ideologies, politics, economic ideas, even religion to make them seem like a good thing. Media has been commericalized for selling a product. With more privatization, it manufactures crisises where there are none, to sell a solution, which was not devised after the problem got publicity.

No, it was a product that laid on the shelf or in R&D and didn't have funding. Panic the public or now increasingly, make the appearance of 'news' that the public wants something done, and politicians will act on the alleged crisis.

Go about the land and really ask people what they want, and it won't look anything like what media is paid to say they do. That's how things get out of hand.

So the MIC does not have a boss or a lord in government or even corporations it is larger than all of them. We are the boss, but are persuaded by high salaries from all these things. And until the American people think more of freedom, peace, healthcare, justice, the poor and the environment, we'll elect those who do this for us.



ReRe

(10,597 posts)
26. Thanks for setting me straight....
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 03:54 AM
Dec 2013

... I didn't know Homeland Security was it's own agency. It sort of makes me ill to face the fact that we live in this MICC, an empire, and that there is little We the People can do about it. Very depressing.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
27. You are in error about what we can do. A full third of the Americans voters think empire is great.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 04:26 AM
Dec 2013

That was a common theme for generations, and it has not gone away if you check out the right wing websites. Many cities and other things follow the model of the Roman Empire. It's a part of our culture. But the Roman empire fell, and they saw it s the end of the war. It was like every other end or apocalypse, a change and not the end. It is good that they are gone, and we are leaving that model. The entire world is leaving it.

Those who support empire will always see it as a competing system that works and it did and they change the names, but the beliefs and society they want is the same. Fascism is a term that also comes from Italy and is a movement that is from the bottom up. It involves a conservative religion and social structure, including a slave class. We have a number of Americans who do not object to what has amounted to slavery here and abroad even after it was officially ended.

It's the greatest tool of the free market philosophy, but the human cost to those who are seen as nothing but worthless, except for their labor, is high. It is unAmerican, because it is against the Constitution, but only as amended, and was intended to be done away with philosophically.

The more people take the view they can'r change things, refuse to become knowledgeable about how these things work, and what tools are available via the governent of WeThePeople, stay away or expect a miracle or sudden enlightenment that will wash it all away, the more strong this fascism becomes.

Making people depressed makes them apathetic and they don't get involved. That is what they don't want us to do, they don't want us involved in a government that would set controls on them.

If we behave as if it's hopeless, or call the people who vote for the TP or GOP stupid, we get a kick out of it, but they keep moving ahead. They know the powerful of government and intend to use what there is to serve their aims.

They have been, despite the lies, bigotry and all the rest, believers in change to things we do not want. Libertarians want all government regulation gone, but still want their privatization dollars that come from all of us. Because they see themselves as superior and independent. They are just positioning themselves on the food chain. There will always be a food chain.

It is not hopeless, empires have been dismantled by their own people but not by defeatism. That is exactly how they want us to feel, and the comfortable thing for those who say they care about peace and social justice is to stand aside and let it keep going on in despair.

Politics is the competition for scarce resources. There is no way to think that will not be an unpleasant activity. It is hard and dangerous, and one meets many challenges from fellow citizens. Do not get depressed.

If you do, they win. The TP and other regressives are not at all depressed, they are lively and emboldened by our standing aside for them. The only way to do this is the hard way: get into every single election, get out and make connections, make deals if need be, keep going forward until a majority is made that will allow us to work on our best ideals.

Gotta go..

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
28. I know all of this, freshwest...
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 04:45 AM
Dec 2013

I think I'm just a bit depressed by the day (Madiba funeral), the cold and the icy rain falling from the skies where I am. I'll snap out of this funk tomorrow. I will never ever give up, will never stop fighting against the injustices of this world and this country in-particular. And after I'm gone, my children will carry on the struggle.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
39. A little OT, but here's one this morning on news, 6 yr. old boy suspended for kissing a girl
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 08:35 AM
Dec 2013

on the hand and "sexual harassment" on his permanent record. The school has a "zero tolerance" policy, this was in Colorado. WTF! Just WTF!!!

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
16. wow ... who is giving all this military gear to the cops? isnt it doj
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 03:09 PM
Dec 2013

or at least some kind of approval ?

Corey

(17 posts)
29. DOJ Gave Police The Power
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 10:09 AM
Dec 2013

DOJ have local and state police the power to basically turn the USA into a exercise in military tactics, hence the jump in civilian murders by police. They don't feel responsible or threatened, they are gods with guns since the Patriot Act made all Americans guilty until proven innocent. Time for DOJ aka USgov to take some responsibility!!!

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
31. While I agree, I can't see how change happens
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 10:40 AM
Dec 2013

Cops aren't going to give up their flashy SWAT gear happily, and it's hard to imagine the same politicians who stripped the citizens of their rights, and who suck up to cops constantly, changing anything, ever. No matter who gets elected, the US gov is no longer an instrument for the protection of civil rights.

For now, I'd say litigation and the courts are the only possible protection people have for their rights, at least until the bill of rights is eventually "suspended" to protect, ahh, our rights.

Which is why I'm more inclined these days to give such money as I have for political action to groups that will use it to protect the civil rights of citizens in courts, as opposed to giving money to political parties, which are now, regrettably, unable and unwilling to affect meaningful change.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
35. Eliminate Byrne Grants and the COPS program.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 02:40 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Tue Dec 10, 2013, 04:31 PM - Edit history (1)

Police "unions" too must be eliminated. They exist to lobby for more work (make things illegal).

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. Hope Mr. Bickel gets promoted to a senior position at DOJ.
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 10:34 AM
Dec 2013

Likely, for telling the truth, he's headed for the mailroom to steam open envelopes for the next 20 years.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
41. Call me paranoid
Wed Dec 11, 2013, 03:09 PM
Dec 2013

but I have just ordered a spy video camera. I'm not kidding. I want any encounter with the police to be fully documented just in case. I've seen enough.

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