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Okay. I am seriously creeped out now! (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 OP
I am a Victoriana geek and especially their mourning customs. Death wasn't as remote KittyWampus Dec 2013 #1
A lot of people today are really removed from some of the aspects of dealing with death. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #4
I worked in a cemetery while in High school and college. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #12
Suddenly Wednesday Addams' look makes more creepy sense JHB Dec 2013 #2
I think she had one of the best lines ever. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #6
"Would you like to buy some girl scout cookies? "That depends, are they made from real girl scouts? FSogol Dec 2013 #22
There were mechanisms that were invented specifically for the memento mori standing poses. myrna minx Dec 2013 #3
I would have guessed the one on the right was dead nevergiveup Dec 2013 #5
We had one of those photos in the family treestar Dec 2013 #7
Very unsettling given our current culture re: death. Amazed at the eyes. They don't appear dead. Fla Dem Dec 2013 #8
Look at the hands compared to the living girl. LuvNewcastle Dec 2013 #10
Yes I noticed that, but still the face is what I was drawn to. nt Fla Dem Dec 2013 #11
Many times they touched up the photos and painted on the eyes. I have seen a few pics GreenPartyVoter Dec 2013 #27
When my great-grandfather died, they propped up his coffin on end so it LuvNewcastle Dec 2013 #9
At first I thought the dead girl was Miley Cyrus BlueJazz Dec 2013 #13
Now she's creepy. Skidmore Dec 2013 #21
There was mourning jewelry. HappyMe Dec 2013 #14
I have broach with a plait of hair in it. Not sure which relative it came from. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2013 #28
Creepy is right. I had never heard of it either. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #15
They still do this crap in Puerto Rico malaise Dec 2013 #16
people mourn differently. it's not my custom so i would not be comforted by it La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2013 #17
I'm not saying it's a negative practice. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #19
Here's a link malaise Dec 2013 #18
Wow, that seemed a little weird.... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #24
It's really weird malaise Dec 2013 #25
I came across Victorian post-mortem photograps a few years ago Skidmore Dec 2013 #20
Kind of fascinating and creepy at the same time - TBF Dec 2013 #23
It's a very old photo. I'm sure they're both dead by now. xfundy Dec 2013 #26
They often painted the eyes on the eyelids. Th1onein Dec 2013 #29
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
1. I am a Victoriana geek and especially their mourning customs. Death wasn't as remote
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:06 AM
Dec 2013

people most often died at home and way more often with a shorter life span.

But I don't think I've seen a pix of any standing up while dead.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
4. A lot of people today are really removed from some of the aspects of dealing with death.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:13 AM
Dec 2013

I have sat up by the casket of a relative who was brought home before the funeral. That was a custom.

I also find cemeteries fascinating.* My Mama would bring us along to spruce up the area. We would wander around and check out the tombstones. There were a few that dated from the 1880's. Many had small pictures of the deceased embedded in them.

We learned a lot about our relatives who who were buried there.

*I do not find them fascinating at night.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
12. I worked in a cemetery while in High school and college.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:29 AM
Dec 2013

It was a big cemetery in Philadelphia. We averaged about 15-20 funerals a week.

I probably attended more than 1000 funerals (set them up, stand off to the side, break it all down after).

And I probably set up around 1000 tombstones too.

One fascinating element was the variation between ethnic and religious groups. Each group had its own set of customs.

And I have lots of great stories from back then, including night time stories.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
6. I think she had one of the best lines ever.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:15 AM
Dec 2013

Someone was in a deep grave and her brother asked if he was dead.
Wednesday said, "Does it matter?"

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
3. There were mechanisms that were invented specifically for the memento mori standing poses.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:13 AM
Dec 2013

It was a fascinating practice.

nevergiveup

(4,762 posts)
5. I would have guessed the one on the right was dead
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:14 AM
Dec 2013

because of her hands.......other than that I would not have had a clue and yes, I find it a touch creepy.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. We had one of those photos in the family
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:17 AM
Dec 2013

They would superimpose the head on a standing body. Photography was fare more expensive and that was their last chance, I suppose. Also portrait painting would have been expensive. So it was their only way of saving a memento of the person's face. Weird how, for that time, it was a big advance in technology, with poorer people than could have portraits painted have a way of preserving an image of a loved one.

Fla Dem

(23,691 posts)
8. Very unsettling given our current culture re: death. Amazed at the eyes. They don't appear dead.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:21 AM
Dec 2013

Amazing work to get the face and especially the eyes not to have that "death mask" look.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
10. Look at the hands compared to the living girl.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:24 AM
Dec 2013

The dead girl's hands must have been purplish from all the blood pooling down there.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,378 posts)
27. Many times they touched up the photos and painted on the eyes. I have seen a few pics
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:52 PM
Dec 2013

where it took time to get the photographer there, and no amount of retouching could restore a lifelike appearance.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
9. When my great-grandfather died, they propped up his coffin on end so it
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:22 AM
Dec 2013

looked like he was standing. My grandma had a picture of him. It wasn't that long ago either, during the 1960's.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
15. Creepy is right. I had never heard of it either.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:53 AM
Dec 2013

However, I'm guessing in an era where photos were rare, relatives might want something to remember what their loved one looked like when they died -especially children who change so fast that they probably have no recent photos. So I can understand WHY but it's still so weird. She doesn't look dead which makes it creepier.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
16. They still do this crap in Puerto Rico
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:55 AM
Dec 2013

but now the morticians have the dead on motor bikes or standing in their homes.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
19. I'm not saying it's a negative practice.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:06 PM
Dec 2013

It does comfort people.

I am just saying that this particular move gives me the willies. I am sure some of my beliefs would give others agita.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
24. Wow, that seemed a little weird....
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:35 PM
Dec 2013

...at first, but really not much stranger than a corpse laying in a casket. I think they did a good job. Personally, I prefer cremation; but if you're going to paint up a corpse and put it on display, this idea seems as good as any.

TYY

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
20. I came across Victorian post-mortem photograps a few years ago
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:07 PM
Dec 2013

as a part of some research I was doing at the time. I found it fascinating. Death masks are also fascinating to me and that practice has been about throughout history. There is something almost mystical about gazing a the face of someone from so long ago whose words or deeds still resonate today.

TBF

(32,067 posts)
23. Kind of fascinating and creepy at the same time -
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:28 PM
Dec 2013

but I can understand how in the old days there weren't as many chances for photography during the short life spans. And of course prohibitively expensive for most.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
26. It's a very old photo. I'm sure they're both dead by now.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 07:31 PM
Dec 2013

I kid, I kid.

Agreed, it's creepy. But people weren't so insulated from nature and natural events back then. She does look amazing. Wonder how they got her to "look at the camera." Glass eyes?

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
29. They often painted the eyes on the eyelids.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:32 PM
Dec 2013

Sometimes, they even drew them on the photograph, itself.

People took these portraits because the photography was very expensive and often the only remembrance they could have of their loved one had to be taken either right before they died or after they died.

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