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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:57 PM Dec 2013

Are there any Republicans that you like?

I'm reading Double Down and I just started the chapter where Jon Huntsman was going to check out of the primary and run as an Independent (I haven't finished the chapter, so no spoilers please!). He was courted heavily by Americans Elect. According to the guys whose book I shouldn't be reading, he was disgusted by what his party had become and his family was pushing him heavily to drop out and run 3rd party.

I remember the rumors at the time about him running for Americans Elect and I thought the rumor laughable.

If he had run as 3rd party I believe he would have siphoned votes from Obama (and close to none from Republican votes for Romney save for the inter-religion war that was raging at the time) as he would have picked off Independent votes as well as Democrats who are more apt to vote outside of party (though his stance on abortion would have lessened the amount, it still would have hurt I believe).

Are there any Republicans you like? Local elections tend to erase party lines as a) they usually don't run as party affiliates, and b) people usually throw party out the window in those elections as Candidate A coached my son in Little League and so forth.

But are there any "national" Republicans that you like? Whether you may vote for them or not.

Reading the chapter made me think of two Republicans who left their party, became Independents and eventually Democrats (for political expediency).

Lincoln Chafee - I like him.

Charlie Christ - Fuck him.

ps: typing those two out made me think of Arlen Specter - fuck him too.

pps: Reading the book is getting my juices flowing for 2016. No idea who the Dems will be but the book confirms my view of who the top R candidates will be (topic for another day).

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Are there any Republicans that you like? (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 OP
Lincoln Glassunion Dec 2013 #1
Another vote for Lincoln Chafee Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #2
The ones who lose in November Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #3
Huntsman seemed like a reasonable person. Laurian Dec 2013 #4
Only dead ones.* CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #5
I'm with you. Only dead ones. pangaia Dec 2013 #8
Exactly! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #9
Yup......... Historic NY Dec 2013 #18
Personally, I was thinking BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #11
Dearest Peg... You don't have any living Family members or Friends whose affiliation you'd cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #35
I wrote that because it was the first thing to pop into my head... CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #36
Understood. n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #37
Lincoln Chafee DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #6
Lincoln Chafee isn't a Republican Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #7
I should have mentioned that in the OP Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #49
I liked Olympia Snowe. LumosMaxima Dec 2013 #10
I had a neighbor named Susan who was a Republican town councilperson. She was nice. TeamPooka Dec 2013 #12
Dwight D. Eisenhower (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #13
Ike said that appointing Earl Warren, to the Supreme Court, was the worst mistake he ever made. demosincebirth Dec 2013 #32
Funny you should mention Huntsman, yea, I really liked him quinnox Dec 2013 #14
I am also reading Double Down tabbycat31 Dec 2013 #15
Do you like the book? Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #48
So far I do tabbycat31 Dec 2013 #71
Deceased ones hobbit709 Dec 2013 #16
Yes, but not because they are dead HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #20
Sure hootinholler Dec 2013 #17
My brother Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #19
Robert G. Ingersoll RC Dec 2013 #21
no Skittles Dec 2013 #22
Gerald Ford northoftheborder Dec 2013 #23
I'll have to keep an eye out for the documentaries Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #47
Nope ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #24
My wife. Aristus Dec 2013 #25
My husband too. Still a registered Republican but hasn't voted that way for years mountain grammy Dec 2013 #61
I can't think of one national Republican at this time Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #26
There were those comedians... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2013 #27
I was gonna say... Whiskeytide Dec 2013 #70
He's funny discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2013 #74
Ron Unz, Republican former candidate for Governor of CA Dems to Win Dec 2013 #28
He's right Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #46
Dan Evans n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #29
Bob Ney former Ohio Congressman involved in the doc03 Dec 2013 #30
I only like the ones that watch porn. BainsBane Dec 2013 #31
A realtor friend I see every couple of months Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2013 #33
I like Charlie Christ BlueJazz Dec 2013 #34
I never knew Jesus had a brother named Charlie. Ikonoklast Dec 2013 #54
Well, let's see... There's Everett Dirksen, Art_from_Ark Dec 2013 #38
Olympia Snowe Lucinda Dec 2013 #39
I got a few: AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #40
Robert Gates, sort of Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #52
William Milliken MrScorpio Dec 2013 #41
I hate them all! Republicans are crooks and only care B Calm Dec 2013 #42
Jim Jeffords. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #43
Good choice Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #45
Not any Republicans elected to office. nt CorrectOfCenter Dec 2013 #44
Lincoln, Frederick Douglass Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #50
I liked Ben Westlund when he was alive. LWolf Dec 2013 #51
No politicians that are alive now, only a few of my relatives and Raine Dec 2013 #53
A few, but they're long retired or dead; Connie Morella, Mac Mathias, Gilbert Gude Burma Jones Dec 2013 #55
No rock Dec 2013 #56
No. Puglover Dec 2013 #57
I kinda liked Bette Ford back in the day. charmay Dec 2013 #58
No, the House Rethuglicans have become a joke. Major Hogwash Dec 2013 #59
The ones who never vote as a block to bring the country down... Iggo Dec 2013 #60
My husband's family, but they're family.. mountain grammy Dec 2013 #62
not alive today rurallib Dec 2013 #63
Chafee is a Democrat. PeteSelman Dec 2013 #64
I should have mentioned that in the OP Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #65
I love my Grandma and she is a Republican Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #66
Colin Powell northoftheborder Dec 2013 #67
A few personal friends/relatives treestar Dec 2013 #68
My husband. Seeking Serenity Dec 2013 #69
Not any more. (nt) Paladin Dec 2013 #72
None in office. Orsino Dec 2013 #73
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
35. Dearest Peg... You don't have any living Family members or Friends whose affiliation you'd
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:44 AM
Dec 2013

overlook because you know the "deep-down" person?

"Only dead ones" doesn't sound like a comment made by the Peg I know in answer to that question.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,641 posts)
36. I wrote that because it was the first thing to pop into my head...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:47 AM
Dec 2013

I am capable of snark, though I don't usually show it here.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
7. Lincoln Chafee isn't a Republican
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:07 PM
Dec 2013

He shed his party affiliation when he ran for RI gov as an independent in 2010, then became a Dem earlier this year.

The two national GOP figures who come to mind for this question are both has-beens: Richard Lugar and Christine Todd Whitman. Those are the only two I can think of.

LumosMaxima

(585 posts)
10. I liked Olympia Snowe.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:11 PM
Dec 2013

But Republicans as a group are so wrong on so many issues that I can't imagine liking one again. At this point, just affiliating with the GOP is a fatal flaw that would make me question a politician's rationality and character.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
12. I had a neighbor named Susan who was a Republican town councilperson. She was nice.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:16 PM
Dec 2013

She was an "Eisenhower" Republican, old school, but that's about all.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
14. Funny you should mention Huntsman, yea, I really liked him
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:18 PM
Dec 2013

He was the only republican who I liked who ran in 2012. He stood apart from all those other typical GOP scumbags.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
15. I am also reading Double Down
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:23 PM
Dec 2013

And I actually did like Huntsman as the GOP candidate. Not sure if I would have voted for him but I could have lived with him.

I'm more moderate than most of DU (and I've shifted over the last few years) from working in so many Blue Dog districts and red areas and any Republican not associated with the crazies (which is not many these days).

I would probably vote for a party switcher if they were the Democratic nominee in the general. In the primary, I vote for the most electable candidate (the one with the best chance of beating the GOP in November).

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
71. So far I do
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:40 AM
Dec 2013

I also really enjoyed Game Change. I liked that it was a political book that read like a novel.

If you know of other political gossip books let me know.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
20. Yes, but not because they are dead
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:21 PM
Dec 2013

Abraham Lincoln was ok, for a repuke.

Teddy Roosevelt was a riot!

As a kid I really like Evret Dirkson's gravely voice.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
21. Robert G. Ingersoll
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:31 PM
Dec 2013

Robert Green "Bob" Ingersoll (August 11, 1833 – July 21, 1899) was a lawyer, a Civil War veteran, political leader, and orator of United States during the Golden Age of Freethought, noted for his broad range of culture and his defense of agnosticism. He was nicknamed "The Great Agnostic".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll

Anger is a wind which blows out the lamp of the mind.
Robert Green Ingersoll

Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself.
Robert Green Ingersoll

A fact never went into partnership with a miracle. Truth scorns the assistance of wonders. A fact will fit every other fact in the universe, and that is how you can tell whether it is or is not a fact. A lie will not fit anything except another lie.
Robert Green Ingersoll

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/r/robert_green_ingersoll.html

http://www.robertgreeningersoll.org/8-2/

And yes he was a Republican.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
22. no
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:35 PM
Dec 2013

they can be as affable as they want but deep down if they're still supporting these corrupt bastards they are sickening

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
23. Gerald Ford
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:36 PM
Dec 2013

Just watched the CSpan Documentary about Betty Ford, who was very outspoken - was for the ERA and abortion rights. Gerald Ford was a decent, kind man; he stepped into the presidency in a very difficult time. He never had the ambition to become the Vice-President, much less the Presidency. He wanted to become the Speaker of the House if the Republicans ever came into the majority. (He wouldn't have made it.)

I've watched only 3 of the First Lady documentaries, but intend to watch the earlier ones online at the CSpan site. They are very interesting.

I can't think of a single Republican presently in office that I would say I "liked" much less support. Huntsman was the only sane one on that ticket. The rest were all nuts and embarrassing to our country. Huntsman's daughter is on the Cycle, and is watchable; not shrill like so many pundit Republican women. She's a moderate, and seemingly smart, and attractive. Fits well with the other three on that show.

Olympia Snowe is likable and reasonable.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
47. I'll have to keep an eye out for the documentaries
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:42 AM
Dec 2013

I actually don't know much about Ford's presidency other than Whip Inflation Now.
And falling down.

ismnotwasm

(41,992 posts)
24. Nope
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:37 PM
Dec 2013

There a a few people that vote Republican I like-- I look at them as deluded--but no politicians I an think of.

Aristus

(66,393 posts)
25. My wife.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:43 PM
Dec 2013


I've been a good influence on her. Last year, she voted for President Obama! I think she's still trying to atone for voting for McCain in 2008. She despises Sarah Palin, and I had to remind her that voting for McCain dragged Palin along, too. So we dodged a bullet there.

She'll never admit it, coming from a right-wing evangelical family like she does, but she is steadily becoming more liberal. She used to be seriously homophobic. Now she has a good friend who is a lesbian, and she is fiercely protective of her.

And don't ask why I married a Republican. I didn't. I married a beautiful, staggeringly intelligent, good-hearted woman whose politics just needed fixing...

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
61. My husband too. Still a registered Republican but hasn't voted that way for years
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 10:08 AM
Dec 2013

He's solid blue but keeps his party affiliation for the mail. He says he likes to know what they're up to and loves filling out the questionnaires. He writes in his own answers. Someone must be reading that crap because we haven't received one for a while.. or maybe they're running out of money.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
26. I can't think of one national Republican at this time
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:43 PM
Dec 2013

whom I respect. There are just a couple here in the state. I have admired some R's in the past, but they're all dead.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
27. There were those comedians...
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:51 PM
Dec 2013

...the father and son act. The son looked a bit like Johnny Carson. Think their name was Bush.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
74. He's funny
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:16 PM
Dec 2013

Google tells me both of those Bush characters got elected president which explains how they got so much airtime. They were okay as comedians but it seems not so good in politics.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
28. Ron Unz, Republican former candidate for Governor of CA
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:53 PM
Dec 2013

On Tuesday, Unz submitted paperwork in California to get a relatively aggressive minimum wage hike on the ballot that would raise the state's minimum wage to $12 an hour by 2016.

He reasons that there's at least one big conservative reason Republicans should back his proposal: It ends corporate welfare for large companies like Walmart and McDonalds by ending the low wages that force many of their employees onto the food stamp rolls.
.....

Another important factor: "One of the strange things in our society right now is that we have all these low-wage workers who are getting $7.50, $8 or $9 an hour, and because they earn such small wages, the government subsidizes them with billions or tens of billions of dollars of social welfare spending that comes from the taxpayer.

It's a classic example of businesses' privatizing the benefits of their workers while socializing the costs. Forcing the taxpayers to supplement the salary of their own employees. "

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/conservative-millionaires-quest-raise-californias-minimum-wage-12/story?id=21034525

doc03

(35,349 posts)
30. Bob Ney former Ohio Congressman involved in the
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:40 PM
Dec 2013

Abramoff Scandal, he is almost a liberal since serving his time in prison. I also like Lincoln, TR and Eisenhower but today they would considered wild eyed liberals by the Republican party.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
33. A realtor friend I see every couple of months
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:31 AM
Dec 2013

but we don't discuss politics. She worked in the Nixon White House and interfaced with Rosemary Woods on many occasions. And yet a very funny and generous person. So, guess she acts like a Democrat, but votes Repub.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
38. Well, let's see... There's Everett Dirksen,
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:43 AM
Dec 2013

Winthrop Rockefeller, Margaret Chase Smith...

But they were all liberal Republicans from the '60s. I think that today, they might all be a bit toward the left side of the Democratic Party.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
40. I got a few:
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:49 AM
Dec 2013

Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Ted Stevens, Sonny Bono, Nelson Rockefeller, Ed Brooke, Eisenhower, Harold Stassen, Robert LaFollette, Teddy Roosevelt, John C. Fremont.....and don't forget Lincoln of course!

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
52. Robert Gates, sort of
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:25 AM
Dec 2013

He's a Republican, and George W. Bush picked him to run the Defense Department to replace Rumsfeld. Obama kept him in his cabinet when he was elected in 2008. Gates is a real patriot in that he clearly puts service to his nation over partisan politics. He also restored a measure of sanity to our foreign policy after the neo-cons had run away with it with schemes of conquest. Gates was a brake on Cheney wanting to go to war with Iran for example.

There have been plenty of decent, even good Republicans who have held elected office. Honorable people even when I often disagreed with them. The hard part is coming up with any who are still alive and holding important positions in government. I always used to name Pete McCloskey as my favorite living Republicans. He was a Republican Congressman from California who ran against Richard Nixon for the 1972 Republican Presidential nomination on an anti-war platform. I still respect the hell out of that guy, but he switched to being a Democrat in 2007.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
41. William Milliken
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:41 AM
Dec 2013

He's both a Republican and a decent human being and one of the best governors Michigan has ever had.

He's up around Traverse City in retirement with his wife.

On occasion we hear from him and it's usually something telling the MI-GOP that they're fucking up.

We'll never see the likes of this great man again.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
42. I hate them all! Republicans are crooks and only care
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:15 AM
Dec 2013

about the bastards who fill their pockets with gold.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
51. I liked Ben Westlund when he was alive.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:08 AM
Dec 2013

Of course, in the last years of his life, he switched. He didn't die a Republican. I liked him even before the switch, though.

I've got Republican friends that I like; three of them.

Nationally? No.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
53. No politicians that are alive now, only a few of my relatives and
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:37 AM
Dec 2013

I'm not even so sure about them, I have a "love/hate" relationship with them mostly.

Burma Jones

(11,760 posts)
55. A few, but they're long retired or dead; Connie Morella, Mac Mathias, Gilbert Gude
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:43 AM
Dec 2013

Old Fashioned Maryland Republicans.....

Oh well, there are no "national" Republicans these days for whom I'd vote.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
59. No, the House Rethuglicans have become a joke.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:55 AM
Dec 2013

And all the Senate Rethuglicans have joined the KKK.

There's not one of them that I like.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
60. The ones who never vote as a block to bring the country down...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:58 AM
Dec 2013

...because we have a black president.

Which ones are those?

rurallib

(62,426 posts)
63. not alive today
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 10:21 AM
Dec 2013

I had Jim Leach as a representative. When the Gingrich took over, rather than offer an alternative, Leach went and hid. He sat there and watched it all happen. Many look at Leach and claim he is a reasonable republican. I look at him and see a coward who could have made a difference and chose to hide. Plus he is the Leach of Graham-Leach-Bliley fame.

Eisenhower would probably be the last true moderate republican.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
73. None in office.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:14 PM
Dec 2013

Any devotion to that party's platform sufficient to get elected would tend to disqualify people.

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