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DavidDvorkin

(19,486 posts)
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 02:36 PM Mar 2012

Greenland ice sheet may melt completely with 1.6 degrees global warming

The Greenland ice sheet is likely to be more vulnerable to global warming than previously thought. The temperature threshold for melting the ice sheet completely is in the range of 0.8 to 3.2 degrees Celsius global warming, with a best estimate of 1.6 degrees above pre-industrial levels, shows a new study by scientists from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK) and the Universidad Complutense de Madrid. Today, already 0.8 degrees global warming has been observed. Substantial melting of land ice could contribute to long-term sea-level rise of several meters and therefore it potentially affects the lives of many millions of people.


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/pifc-gis030912.php


Oh, boy.
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Greenland ice sheet may melt completely with 1.6 degrees global warming (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Mar 2012 OP
What's that? Global ecological meltdown ahead? BlueIris Mar 2012 #1
Rush and his ilk's long time propaganda has only worked to worsen the situation by delaying Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #4
Very true. DavidDvorkin Mar 2012 #6
I guess we can kiss NOLA, Miami, and NYC goodbye. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #2
Half of the Bay Area and LA too XemaSab Mar 2012 #3
I think we on the West Coast will be pretty sunk. BlueIris Mar 2012 #8
more than expected. that's how our demise will be stated.humans exitinction came sooner than expectd leftyohiolib Mar 2012 #5
Dopes? More like DavidDvorkin Mar 2012 #7
seems more like guess work- they shouldnt be so caught off guard so often leftyohiolib Mar 2012 #14
Kick. BlueIris Mar 2012 #9
Yea, like is Ohio State in the right bracket.... WCGreen Mar 2012 #10
I don't think so Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #11
Yeah. ananda Mar 2012 #12
The article says it would take 50,000 years to melt with global warming at 2 degrees C muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #13

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
1. What's that? Global ecological meltdown ahead?
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 03:19 PM
Mar 2012

I thought the only news today had to do with Rush and the campaign.

Uncle Joe

(58,423 posts)
4. Rush and his ilk's long time propaganda has only worked to worsen the situation by delaying
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 03:46 PM
Mar 2012

aggressive national and in turn global action to alleviate the problem.

So if we have an opportunity to take his megaphone of, mass suicidal bullshit away or at least reduce its' effectiveness, I'm all for it.

I don't seperate the two issues of Limbaugh's toxic message and the worsening global warming climate change crisis, they're intricately connected.

The former is essential to enabling the latter.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
5. more than expected. that's how our demise will be stated.humans exitinction came sooner than expectd
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 04:09 PM
Mar 2012

im sick of these "experts" who are supposed to know coming out and saying things like this "x" is happening sooner than or quicker than or more than expected. bunch of dopes

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
10. Yea, like is Ohio State in the right bracket....
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 12:12 AM
Mar 2012

Seriously, people don't want to contemplate any pending disaster unless it fits into the biblical end times...

Glad I didn't have kids. The world that is coming is going to be harsher and more physically demanding than the way things are today.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
11. I don't think so
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 12:40 AM
Mar 2012

Several times it's been significantly warmer during an interglacial than it is now, and the Greenland ice sheet is supposed to be millions of years old.


Also the current interglacial was warmer thousands of years ago than it is today, and Greenland's ice sheet survived.
http://www.journal-tes.dk/vol%203%20no%201/Niels%20Schroeder_lav.pdf?id=00029

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum

The Holocene Climate Optimum warm event consisted of increases of up to 4 °C near the North Pole (in one study, winter warming of 3 to 9 °C and summer of 2 to 6 °C in northern central Siberia).[1] The northwest of Europe experienced warming, while there was cooling in the south.[2] The average temperature change appears to have declined rapidly with latitude so that essentially no change in mean temperature is reported at low and mid latitudes. Tropical reefs tend to show temperature increases of less than 1 °C; the tropical ocean surface at the Great Barrier Reef ~5350 years ago was 1 °C warmer and enriched in 18O by 0.5 per mil relative to modern seawater.[3] In terms of the global average, temperatures were probably colder than present day (depending on estimates of latitude dependence and seasonality in response patterns). While temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere were warmer than average during the summers, the tropics and areas of the Southern Hemisphere were colder than average.[4]

Of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for warmer-than-present conditions at 120 sites. At 16 sites where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than present. Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, while the Laurentide ice sheet still chilled the continent. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had substantially less sea ice during this period compared to present.[6]

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
13. The article says it would take 50,000 years to melt with global warming at 2 degrees C
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:28 AM
Mar 2012

and they say it could happen even if the warming was reversed after 'many thousand years'. This really is a long term projection. The 'lives of millions of people' are those several centuries distant.

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