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Just admit you're selfish... (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2013 OP
That's it! The teabagger set's object of Cha Dec 2013 #1
Bill Maher hits another one outa the park. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #2
Yup! freshwest Dec 2013 #3
:) BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #50
That's a pretty bold gauntlet to throw. flvegan Dec 2013 #4
That's what rethugs/teabaggers/conservatives do. babylonsister Dec 2013 #6
I think it's worse than that. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2013 #36
He said they don't mirror the teachings of Jesus... TiberiusB Dec 2013 #7
Mirror image.... daleanime Dec 2013 #15
That's the literal, not the psychological, definition TiberiusB Dec 2013 #40
Ya sucks when the shoe fits, results usually are negative. Rex Dec 2013 #9
Not when it's a 1%er who contributes nothing of substantive value to society Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #13
Actually, I'd argue that 1% in fact suck value from our society SomeGuyInEagan Dec 2013 #20
So you're okay with cutting food stamps etc.? Because that sort of thing is what's at issue here. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #47
You're ridiculous and just trying to pick a fight over something I never said. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #55
All right, my mistake. I reacted too quickly. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #56
I admit it Boom Sound 416 Dec 2013 #5
So you disagree that indifference to, or outright hatred of, the less fortunate is un-Christian? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #48
I'm saying Boom Sound 416 Dec 2013 #51
I don't find Maher to be in the wrong all that often. But even if he were, there's a saying nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #52
so he's wrong twice a day? Boom Sound 416 Dec 2013 #53
Nothing like some Maher to bring out the moxybug Dec 2013 #8
Bill is my god for sure! defacto7 Dec 2013 #10
Agreed LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #11
No, you see... CorrectOfCenter Dec 2013 #12
Exactly.. sendero Dec 2013 #14
I so stole this and pasted it for dissemination. Skidmore Dec 2013 #16
thank goodness Bill Maher is NOT selfish hfojvt Dec 2013 #17
do you know who or what he might contribute money to heaven05 Dec 2013 #19
Bill's an atheist but he's read that Bible which says correctly that talking about your good works Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #22
TV shows and touring are hard work? hfojvt Dec 2013 #25
Matthew 6:1-4 Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #33
Exactly! paleotn Dec 2013 #35
Don't you just love it Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #38
oh excuse me for not having it all memorized hfojvt Dec 2013 #43
This is not about memorizing the Bible. Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #46
He gave $1 million to get Obama elected. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #34
is that really charitable giving? hfojvt Dec 2013 #44
Didn't say it was. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #45
The charities he supports and the causes he volunteers for are easily found online. Ikonoklast Dec 2013 #54
But he's not claiming the poor should get no help treestar Dec 2013 #23
but how much does he make? hfojvt Dec 2013 #26
It could be stated neutrally treestar Dec 2013 #27
That's not Maher's point.... paleotn Dec 2013 #37
that's still pretty judgemental hfojvt Dec 2013 #42
Sorry, the sanctimony is at least half the fun. malthaussen Dec 2013 #18
This ^^^^ treestar Dec 2013 #24
I think this touched... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #21
The Right claims the poor need to have zero dollars given or they won't work,.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #28
That is exactly right. dchill Dec 2013 #30
+1 JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #31
Exactly! LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #41
Take away church's charitable status and tax freedom OnlinePoker Dec 2013 #29
Perfect explanation--but they (Tea/Repukes) won't get it! hue Dec 2013 #32
Ayn Rand had a series of essays collectively titled "The Virtue of Selfishness" YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #39
Love It! He Can Talk For Me Anytime... ChiciB1 Dec 2013 #49

Cha

(297,490 posts)
1. That's it! The teabagger set's object of
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:18 AM
Dec 2013

worship is "despicable me"memememememememe!

thanks babylonsistah

babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
6. That's what rethugs/teabaggers/conservatives do.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:15 AM
Dec 2013

They claim they support the right thing, and do the opposite.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
36. I think it's worse than that.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:32 PM
Dec 2013

I think they use Jesus to cover for their despicable behavior. He died for their sins, right?

So they can do whatever they want, however they want, to whomever they want; and they'll still get to go to Heaven.

They make me sick.

TiberiusB

(490 posts)
7. He said they don't mirror the teachings of Jesus...
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:52 AM
Dec 2013

'Cause it seems like you think he said the Right is selfish just like Jesus.

TiberiusB

(490 posts)
40. That's the literal, not the psychological, definition
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 11:21 PM
Dec 2013

In psychology, "mirroring" is "copying", which is what Maher obviously meant.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. Ya sucks when the shoe fits, results usually are negative.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:56 AM
Dec 2013

Nobody likes to be told the truth about themselves, good point.

SomeGuyInEagan

(1,515 posts)
20. Actually, I'd argue that 1% in fact suck value from our society
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:21 PM
Dec 2013

Much, much, much moreso for the upper 0.5 to 0.1%, where the real wealth has gone the past 30 years.

Not only to they contribute nothing of value, they substantially suck resources from everyone else.

And they are able to use religion (and hate and fear and "patriotism&quot to sway their minions to support them in this.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
56. All right, my mistake. I reacted too quickly.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 07:36 PM
Dec 2013

I just get really sick of the apologists for unbridled greed and selfishness. But I apologize for mistaking you for one of them.

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
51. I'm saying
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:52 PM
Dec 2013

What bill maher describes is how he acts.

I'm not in a position to cast judgment on those in the long shadow of anonymity.

BUT,

I'll go one futher and say he believes in trickle down humanitarianism. He gave 1,000,000 dollars to the president's re-elect campaign. And did so quite ostentatiously. Why? Well, he believed Obama was the best man to advocate for the poor. (No argument with that). So he believed he would give this large sum to the top of the advocacy pyramid and that would put in place the mechanism (Obama) to do for those who are in need.

Fine. That's a good way to pat yourself on the back; be the cool guy at the party and still not bother yourself with the real work. You know, like getting down on your knees and washing some feet.

Quite predictably when Obama and governor brown raised the tax rates on the wealthy he wasted no time threatning the party that 'they will lose me.'

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
52. I don't find Maher to be in the wrong all that often. But even if he were, there's a saying
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 11:04 PM
Dec 2013

about a stopped clock...

 

Boom Sound 416

(4,185 posts)
53. so he's wrong twice a day?
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 11:09 PM
Dec 2013



i don't know. Maybe he's just doing what comedians do; throw it and watch what sticks.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
11. Agreed
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:08 AM
Dec 2013

Moreover: the openly selfish generally do far less harm. The person who refuses to help others out of open selfishness is purely negative: they are of no use themselves, but they do not prevent others from helping, nor do they automatically denigrate and dehumanize those in need of help. The person who uses harsh ideology to justify their refusal to help others is thereby helping to create a culture where others don't help either; where one is expected to feel more guilty for generosity and kindness than for selfishness and unkindness; and where poor people and others in need of help are actively stomped on.

 

CorrectOfCenter

(101 posts)
12. No, you see...
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:10 AM
Dec 2013

If they had a 0% tax rate, they'd surely donate all kinds of moola to all sorts of good causes.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Bill's an atheist but he's read that Bible which says correctly that talking about your good works
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:44 PM
Dec 2013

is a bad thing to do. Bill has a TV show and he tours heavily, that is he works hard and gets paid tons for it, not something I take issue with at all. I do take exception with those who use their 'good works' as image polishing devices.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
25. TV shows and touring are hard work?
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:53 PM
Dec 2013

That's not what BTO said.

I am not sure where the Bible says to not talk (boasting, yes, but talking?) about good works, but I do know that is says "judge not, lest ye be judged".

As in, Maher judges others to be selfish. Well, what about his own selfishness? Seems like if he gave away $20 million that he could help a LOT of poor people and STILL have $3 million left over. Not to mention whatever income is coming to him.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
33. Matthew 6:1-4
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 07:47 PM
Dec 2013

1 "Take care! Don't do your good deeds publicly, to be admired, because then you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven. 2 When you give a gift to someone in need, don't shout about it as the hypocrites do -- blowing trumpets in the synagogues and streets to call attention to their acts of charity! I assure you, they have received all the reward they will ever get. 3 But when you give to someone, don't tell your left hand what your right hand is doing. 4 Give your gifts in secret, and your Father, who knows all secrets, will reward you.

paleotn

(17,938 posts)
35. Exactly!
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:28 PM
Dec 2013

...though I'm agnostic, my wife is a Quaker. The Quaker's really take those verses to heart. Verses the Southern Baptists of my youth.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
38. Don't you just love it
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:56 PM
Dec 2013

when people who are Christians do not know their Bibles, or do not live by the words of Jesus? But it takes an atheist to point out what Jesus said.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
43. oh excuse me for not having it all memorized
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:42 AM
Dec 2013

It's not like that is the ONLY or the KEY teaching of Jesus.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
46. This is not about memorizing the Bible.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:30 PM
Dec 2013

This is about you saying that the Bible did not say anything about not talking about your good deeds. I just showed that it did have something to say on that issue. Just graciously say that you did not know that verse, or you forgot about that. It will come across better than being so defensive now.

I didn't realize that some of the teachings of Jesus were more important than others. And actually, these verses are key components of his teachings.....he often spoke of humility.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
54. The charities he supports and the causes he volunteers for are easily found online.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 11:22 PM
Dec 2013

If you'd care to even look.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. But he's not claiming the poor should get no help
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:45 PM
Dec 2013

for the reasons the right wingers do. He was talking to them. And he pays his taxes.

The people he's addressing don't want to pay taxes if they think any of it will go to the needy.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
26. but how much does he make?
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:08 PM
Dec 2013

this is a guy who makes over $400,000 a year telling people who make less than $60,000 a year that they are selfish because they don't want to help people that they perceive to be freeloaders.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
27. It could be stated neutrally
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 01:21 PM
Dec 2013

How do we find someone who makes little enough to tell them that? But we have a progressive tax rate, so he pays more, thus he can lecture them they can pay their share.

And he's not complaining about his taxes.

paleotn

(17,938 posts)
37. That's not Maher's point....
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:48 PM
Dec 2013

...their religion implores them to heal the sick, feed the hungry, house the homeless, noble causes all. As recorded in the gospels, Jesus spent most of his time on those very issues and zero time on same sex marriage and laissez faire capitalism. By their actions, right wing, fundigelicals don't see it that way. They don't want their tax dollars doing the very things Jesus told them to do. Unfortunately, all private charity combined in this country does not come even close to filling the need. So to keep people out of abject, Dickensian poverty, the government HAS to step in. What else can we conclude other than these people don't have a problem with people starving in the streets?

As Gandhi supposedly said...."Oh, I don't reject Christ. I love Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ." That hasn't changed much.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
42. that's still pretty judgemental
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:34 AM
Dec 2013

and before after he judges them for "not helping the poor" then how is it not fair to judge HIM on how much he helps the poor?

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
18. Sorry, the sanctimony is at least half the fun.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 11:41 AM
Dec 2013

It's not about money, it's about the power to sneer at other people.

-- Mal

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. This ^^^^
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 12:46 PM
Dec 2013

That's why they don't like it when they find out poor people have cell phones, for instance. Deprives them of a status symbol. That's really annoying!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
28. The Right claims the poor need to have zero dollars given or they won't work,....
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 02:32 PM
Dec 2013

...while the rich need maximum dollars or they won't work.

OnlinePoker

(5,725 posts)
29. Take away church's charitable status and tax freedom
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 02:38 PM
Dec 2013

They would be the first ones claiming they are "dependent" on those tax breaks to survive.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
39. Ayn Rand had a series of essays collectively titled "The Virtue of Selfishness"
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 11:16 PM
Dec 2013

So some of them have admitted it.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
49. Love It! He Can Talk For Me Anytime...
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:21 PM
Dec 2013

I have some relatives that I really NEED to send this to. Problem is that they simply won't "get it!"


As time has gone by I've realized that no matter what or how you point out the obvious, they come back with some stupid comment. Several years ago I thought this country might "wake up" and see how very destructive many right wingnuts have ruined the true meaning of Christianity! But, sad to say I realize how very wrong I was.

Maybe I shouldn't say this but they have done nothing but turned me more against religion! Raised as a very strict Catholic, I left it so long ago. Searched other religions, but never quite found "it." I don't apologize for my atheist leanings, it's just that I've had my fill of so much crap that has been spewed by so called RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!

As a Boomer, we used to use the phrase... Jesus Was A Liberal!!

Well, it sure ain't looking that way anymore! Sorry to offend those of you who still believe & worship, too many religious people use their crosses for the wrong reasons! Kind of like, I'm so religious so YOU simply can't understand because you're not!

Just not worth my breath to argue with them... they DON'T act like what I think a God or Jesus would really be!

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