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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGOP Strategist: “It’s devastating." --- Majority Of American Women NOW Side With Democrats
When the Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey asked last summer which party should control Congress, a slim 46-42 percent plurality of women said it should be the Democrats.
But in a survey released Monday, compiling polling since the beginning of the year, that figure had widened considerably to a 15-point advantage for the Democrats, according to polling by the team of Democratic pollster Peter Hart and Republican Bill McInturff. Fifty-one percent favored Democratic control; only 36 percent wanted to see the Republicans in charge.
Both sides have tried to shape the narrative in this battle for and about women. But many Republicans are beginning to wish they had never waded into what has become a heated conversation over contraception, who should have it and what it says about people who use it. [...]
A prominent GOP strategist, who requested anonymity to discuss the partys situation frankly, said: Its devastating. I dont think its going to go away. I think its going to be a significant challenge the Republican nominee is going to inherit.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-suffer-among-female-voters/2012/03/08/gIQANzfM1R_story.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/09/1072824/-No-love-for-the-GOP-among-America-s-women?via=blog_1
sinkingfeeling
(51,461 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Except you have to have a heart to care about others.
ncteechur
(3,071 posts)Boo hoo, why did we have to let our neanderthal out?? Boo hoo.
peace frog
(5,609 posts)and we can't let up on them now. Shove it in their faces and down their throats. Suffer, GOPers.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)women's rights!?
That makes them even stupider than I thought. And I thought they were really stupid.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)So they have a rather long, undistinguished, not-so-proud history of underestimating their opponents.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)They think nothing can take them down. The media has helped in this regard by throwing them softball questions during interviews & not calling them out on their lies. They think they are invincible.
The reality that they think they control, & the reality that is, are two different things. The two realities are now so out of whack it's becoming apparent to more & more people - even those who don't want to admit it - like other repubs!
GopperStopper2680
(397 posts)CrispyQ you're exactly right. The GOPs are out of touch with reality. They live in their ivory towers and cobble together a version of the world that suits them and as long as they can stay shielded by their palatial mansions, Italian sports cars, luxury yachts and Prada they can continue to believe what they will. But it's not just the money-that'd be bad enough. They also presume to force their twisted, mutated strain of morality with its double standards, loopholes and exclusion clauses on the rest of us. When people like this encounter a good, hard dose of REALITY (not the fantasy construct world they secrete around themselves like a caddis fly's case) they cry 'et tu brutei!' and retreat behind a wall of lies, name calling, buck passing and character assasination. There was a member of my family who died recently (and she will be missed by few who truly knew her) who lived in the same form of false reference. The Goppers have the most incredible aptitude for self delusion I have ever known or cared not to.
StarsInHerHair
(2,125 posts)his personality. Now I can speak to him & everything's pretty much normal.
You also described a drug addict.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...that it's only 51%? 36% think it's okay for a bunch of old men to tell them how to live.
Glad to see the numbers going up, but...come on, ladies!!! WTH are you thinking?
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Once you take away the high numbers for minorities, a curious picture develops that means a fair majority of white women must be onboard with a lot of this, which makes no sense.
There is one hell of an ugly underlying cultural issue that no one wants to deal with that will keep all of us under great threat of being under the 8 ball for the next 2-3 decades if we don't get a better handle on whatever the malfunction is with huge swaths of the fading majority.
jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)Women were calling up yesterday and telling the assholic spokesman for Ave Maria University to keep pushing for "religious freedom."
pscot
(21,024 posts)They love their chains.
lark
(23,123 posts)who is extremely religious conservative from Texas who has lived in the south her entire life. How do you know that high number of minority women are in favor of contraception? It seems to me that older strongly catholic hispanics might not be in favor of contraception because of their strong belief in their religion?
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)will sell all women out if it would make them look more attractive to their men. Look at the women in the state legislatures who have already come out and said hideous things about the use of birth control (one even went so far as to advance the notion that married couples should abstain from sex if they don't want to have babies, instead of taking birth control and enjoying sex for sex's sake with their lawful spouse).
"they walk softly and carry lipstick" (a brilliant statement by DUer crunch60) ... they would never dream of thinking for themselves. They wait for their men and other men, frankly, to tell them what they should think.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)So be it! Stay home where you belong and raise it. When all these men find out they NEED there wives to work more than they NEED their sex...they will change their tune. Unfortunately, it will take a long time of starvation or bankruptcy before they come to their senses. Men! You know, the ones who make the laws. The ones who will soon be out of office and a job.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)for the very reasons you've pointed out.
Instead of housing, feeding, educating, providing medical care for 15 kids plus the wife and going without sex because he isn't shooting blanks, like the days before BC, the couple can space out and manage the number of children they produce.
Let's not forget: childbirth complications used to be the main cause of death in women. It's a better day now that women no longer have to jeopardize their lives in order to make religious leaders comfortable in their own skin.
Note to these knuckledraggers: women are NOT going to go back to that. Fuck what you heard.
Irishonly
(3,344 posts)It also could be that they like republicans except for women's right. I have a cousin that falls into that category. She would lie if ask on a survey to protect them.
dwig3d
(22 posts)Those 36%...WFT are you thinking?
sellitman
(11,607 posts)They are sort of like the 20%ers that still think President Bush was the cats pajamas. It's hard to imagine someone being that stupid.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I swear, women are getting as bad as the coloreds and the messicans when it comes to knowing which political party has their best interests at heart.
*Oh!* Heh, heh, heh. I just realized "gals" spelled backwards is "slag." I gotta call Rush! He seems to have more time for folks who call in this week.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)Why, they belong in the kitchen so that they don't get scared by the reality of the outside world! We're just trying to protect them by calling them sluts and telling them that the Bible knows what's best for them, and they turn on us like this? Don't they know that WE know what's best for them!?
- The Republican
meegbear
(25,438 posts)is that when this started, the GOP figured they would try to use this as a wedge issue like in 2004 with gay marriage.
Unfortunately (for them), it's blowing up their face.
The fuckers.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Live with it, you reactionary pinheads.
What is existentially amazing is that they thought this was a good idea in the first place. Whoever made that call is dumber than a box of hair.
saras
(6,670 posts)Selatius
(20,441 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)because only a very small percentage of the population is directly effected by it, so that a significant minority can be whipped into a frenzy over it, and most of the rest of the voting public won't really care about it one way or the other. On the other hand, contraception effects virtually everybody at some point or another. Anybody who's ever had heterosexual sex and tried to avoid a resultant pregnancy is going to be turned off the message.
The Republicans have just gotten so far into the crazy that they've lost all trace of rational thought, even where it concerns their own interests. And I'm completely happy to see that happen.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,662 posts)They had to go back to the well and dredge up some social issues because they had nothing left. It had worked before, but they really underestimated the American woman. It's not the first time they have underestimated someone or something.
GopperStopper2680
(397 posts)Yes, and it's a glorious sight to behold isn't it?
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)They'll come to their senses and see that the GOP and the Catholic Bishops know what's good for them!
ingac70
(7,947 posts)until Dems are getting the female vote in the same proportion as the African American vote.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)We need some more Rush!
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)[font size="1"]1 Tim 2:8-11 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. [Men are to lead; women are to be modest, learning quietly, and in submission; in this way, they prove their claim to godliness.][/font]
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No one could have predicted...
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)For their reliance on astrology, crystal balls and tarot cards, they really suck as seers. I guess that is what you get when you put your faith in books and figures of mythology and completely ignore science and logic.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Too late now....they've got so many loose cannon anti-women, anti-gay, anti-science, anti-hispanic, anti-education legislators on board making news daily, they can't stop their runaway train. In their zealotry to legislate their morality and hatred, they forgot about that voting thing.
tblue37
(65,409 posts)They've taken care of a lot of it with hackable electronic machines with no paper trail, and with voter ID laws and other voter suppression laws and tactics.
lark
(23,123 posts)Course, it's kind of scary that they think they don't need any women but the evangelicals. Makes me afraid that they know they can steal the vote so don't give a shit about who actually votes.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Oh, I am so loving this.
The GOP is doomed by their own actions.
GopperStopper2680
(397 posts)Yes, give them an inch and they take'- The thing is they're taking all that length in ROPE-to hang themselves. And the sooner the better.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)with a B.A.R. on this issue for months now. And they're surprised? Holy crap, what in the blue hell did they expect? Ponies farting rainbows and pooping candy? They really are that dumb.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Oh wow that is funny!
JHB
(37,161 posts)And when you court them, make a nice comfy bed for them, give'em the o'l bedroom eyes, "ride them to victory", and finally get caught in flagrante delicto, don't be surprised when people recoil in horror and start keeping a healthy distance from you.
Botany
(70,522 posts)Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)Who did this, and what medications were they on?
Botany
(70,522 posts).... looking for a way to stop Obama's health care plan from going into effect.
Although, now w/ the blow back from their actions they are pretty much screwed
and not in a good way either. Rush, Fox News, Issa, and so on work in their own
little worlds so when they get out of their comfort zone sometimes they astounded
by what they see and found out. Right now Fox is trying to make up its own reality
that President Obama picked Ms. Fluke to testify in front of Issa's hearing to make
the republicans look bad.
The republican party is becoming the home to old white cranky men and that is about
it.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)to that -- Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich practically invented the concept of individual mandates.
No, their only objection to the Health Care Reform was the add-ons designed to make the insurance industry accountable for stuff like preexisting conditions and contraception -- most of which got removed or rendered toothless before the bill was passed (there being no limit to how much insurance cos can charge for users with preexisting conditions, for instance, who are now forced to carry health insurance, meaning it will be literally cheaper for many of them to pay the fine).
Botany
(70,522 posts)the media in many ways, and rig voting machines because they are becoming
a smaller and smaller minority party all the time. Look who they have pissed
off:
Latinos
Gays
Women
students
working people
educated people
teachers
unions
environmentalists
African Americans
short list ......
Despite the many flaws w/ this first version of health care reform the republicans know that
once it goes into effect millions of people will get some benefits and the dems will get a
nice long term "bump up of support."
This is no longer the Party of Ike or Teddy Roosevelt or Margaret Chase Smith or even
Ronald Reagan these people are really un-American radicals who are betting that if
people are hurting enough that they will vote Obama out of office. Rep. John Boner
was choking on the job news today.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)given their marching orders by 1%ers.
The good citizens of this country need to rise up together and destroy this anti american party once and for all!
Botany
(70,522 posts)A long time ago my dad worked @ the RNC and I got to know or know about
some really decent people who were republicans ..... Dan Evans, Margaret Chase
Smith, Chuck Percy, Jacob Javits, Eve Dirkson, Ike, Lincoln, Wayne Morris, and so
many more ..... as a little kid the brother of our next door neighbor was Ray Shafer*
the Governor of PA ..... he was a socialist radical who worked for good schools and
colleges, transportation, and the environment long before it was the "right thing to
do" .... We were in a middle class neighborhood and he would join us for picnic
dinners and would play games w/ the neighborhood kids ..... the man was salt of the
earth good .... today he would find no home in the republican party.
sorry to
* the governor of PA used to play whiffle ball w/ us kids and tell his people that
he was "in an important meeting" and that he should not be disturbed. It truly was
a different time. the press would not say a word about it and the grown ups in the
neighborhood if asked wouldn't know anything.
otohara
(24,135 posts)and where's our oil or invading Iraq?
calimary
(81,323 posts)I think it was just yesterday when Chris Matthews had a couple of GOP analysts on, including that todd somebody (NOT chuck todd, this one is a smart-ass party operative who's clean-shaven and has far less hair, and he's usually snarky as all hell), and Chris put it to him - "well, you guys said Iraq's oil was gonna pay for the whole war." todd's answer? Oh he was NEVER for the war. Nooo, not him, certainly not! He was against it from the beginning.
That's their answer these days.
wandy
(3,539 posts)our side next!
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Proles
(466 posts)Time and time again, republicans have shown a complete and utter disdain towards women (sluts), Blacks (food stamp moochers), Hispanics (illegals taking our jobs), young people (don't let them vote during their "liberal phase" , old people (lets slash their Medicaid and Social Security), Muslims (they're terrorists), poor people (lazy welfare recipients), the list goes on.
You'd think alienating so many people would have led to a disintegration of the GOP years ago. I suppose people are finally waking up to the fact that a vote for the GOP is a vote against their interests. It just took way longer than it should have.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)quakerboy
(13,920 posts)51% seems minimal. In the face of whats been happening, it seems rather low. When you consider that 2008 exit polling had President Obama at 56% of the female vote, it seems even less impressive.
Mathematically, 51% of females(females making up 53% of total voters) is 27 out of every hundred voters going for Democrats. If men stay at 49%(Obamas exit polling among male voters), thats another 23. For a total of 50 out of every hundred voters.
Given who controls the counting and the way that the electoral college works to favor small states, I believe we need more than 50 out of every hundred voters. So the gap better widen.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Apples and persimmons and all that.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)It is different. And, even using that flawed comparison, the Rep number of 36% is a lot more encouraging than the 08 presidential exit polling of 43%.
Then, you also have to consider that 14% that didn't choose Rep or Dem which comes into play somewhere in all this as well.
Still. With the attacks that the Reps are laying down left and right on basic womens issues, the idea that approx 4 in 10 still support them is confounding. And that the party that at least hypothetically stands against them is only pulling 5 in 10 is also confounding.
When you take into account the way that minority women almost certainty skew toward Democrats, that means we are probably still only breaking even when it comes to Caucasian women. When When I consider that the opposition is the Republican Party, who would be content to literally consign women to legally be mindless brood mares. And to me, that is astounding. And not encouraging, when it comes to consideration of humanity, or the subset of humanity that calls itself American.
Mopar151
(9,989 posts)And the Fox News watchers. And the women (like my SIL) who have bought the whole "America is a Christian Nation" meme. The ones who yell at store clerks for saying "Happy Holidays". "Mean Girls" Moms.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)Women against their own sisters. and while they're espousing about america being a christian nation and listening to their men tell them about how bad BC and pro-choice is and we're gonna take care of you women, so don't worry your pretty little heads; their slamming the muslims for the same concepts.
the repugs NEED the social issues-they NEED a group to focus their constituents' hatred and fear on-that's the only way they win. Because every one with half a brain REMEMBERS before the election when little boots basically went to congress and informed them that he done screwed up and ya'll better cover my arse, because the whole world is going down because my friends raided the treasury, sold worthless pieces of paper. Of course my friends are going to make out like bandits, literally bandits. So, the repugs have the SAME, exact same, economic solutions as little boots shoved on the country. MORE deregulation for those greedy, sociopathic global corporations (buyer beware), MORE tax breaks for the wealthy and undeserving (because it's those poor people who don't pull their weight) and MORE screw unions and labor (because that's what is holding back those wall street before main street corporations from doing business here-not enough slave labor). They cannot run on an economic agenda because it's the same damn thing since reagan (of course, I see now even reagan was sane enough to know when to raise taxes).
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I guess the idea of reeping what you sow is another apt analogy.
sonias
(18,063 posts)And for all 50 states.
Thank you women!
Monk06
(7,675 posts)Response to kpete (Original post)
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mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)the woman who brought down the republican party and she didn't even have to sleep with any of them.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)attacking women's rights, especially the women's body. Now in Az and Kansas allowing doctors to lie to women, oy vey, what next, take away women's right to vote? I see that coming in the near future.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)It's not as if Republicans were going around attacking women's rights
WillyT
(72,631 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)They're at Darwin Award level stupid.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)they'd love to take voting rights away from certain groups. There have been some half bake right wing wackos already saying shite about students voting and awhile ago there was a repug that questioned women voting; also the right of those on assistance to vote.
The only thing they have in common with some of our ancestors, is the white landowner can vote mentality.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)they will try their damnest to fulfill that wish.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)not men would offset women. I doubt it. I suspect a more narrow majority of men might support the GOP. But it would be intersecting to get the exact figures.
LetTimmySmoke
(1,202 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)The problem with that is that 98% of all women have used contraceptives at some point in their lives. They apparently didn't understand that it is not just unmarried sluts, but married women, mothers, and grandmothers. When you alienate that large a demographic you can kiss your ass goodbye.
Response to kpete (Original post)
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underpants
(182,837 posts)Those numbers will only get worse as time goes by - they can't help themselves they are vile as they follow talk radio down the wormhole.
Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)NO Way can aristocrats quit him.
R.Blue
(35 posts)The GOP dug their own graves with their contraception bullshit.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Woman does..and always has...sided with Democrats.
sikorsky
(96 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Thanks, ya stupid fuck.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)into a wedge issue, and their unofficial spokesman intimates that all women using contraceptives are "sluts" and "prostitutes". Given that some 98% of women use contraception at some point in their lives, you start running against that, and the only women you'll have in your consitituency will be Michelle Duggar.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)I think I'm going to have to create a new category: "The Source Who Dares Not Speak His Name."
In the meantime, strike up the DU "Cry Me A River" String Quartet!
rocktivity
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)to testify and all teabag dumb asses everywhere!
The Republican War on Women is paying off magnificently for the President and his party, you stupid fucking IDIOTS!
Keep following your leader Rush right into the abyss jackasses!
Pakid
(478 posts)I can't believe that there are that many women out there who would vote against their own plus there fellow women best interest. But then why should I be surprised after all something like 50% of men vote against their own best interest. I guess women are smarter than us. Come on guys we can do better!
AllyCat
(16,193 posts)Any good GOPer knows that! And about that swampland I have...
Morans.
still_one
(92,243 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)The GOP is the party of "Christian" theocrats. Their plan is to "put women in their place".
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)grandpamike1
(193 posts)Be that 36 percent of Women would vote Republican ? Are they that ignorant of the demeaning way they speak of them. I cannot see how any woman would vote for the misogynistic troglodytes.
saras
(6,670 posts)I don't think the question "why do so many women support this?" really has an answer, as much as the question "how many women are willing to sacrifice their own rights in the interest of protecting a societal hypocrisy they see as essential?"
There are enough to make us nervous, but not enough to support it, and too many to think they all understand it and think about it in detail.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)wouldn't be surprised if they took a poll next week if this number went up to 70% of women for Democrats. Everyone I talked to at school is absolutely POd at Rush in particular most haven't actually changed though to be fair they are either to young to have voted or have at the least tended to vote Democrat. But, this is what has changed, they now plan on voting and a few had thought they were going to sit this one out.
kitkat65
(1,633 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)crutch. I am surprised that 36% are still going to vote for those GOP assholes. It's like hens voting for Colonel Sanders.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)if the "significant challenges" aren't also applicable to REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)sellitman
(11,607 posts)Seriously.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)They are getting everything they deserve short of being hanged.
Bosso 63
(992 posts)Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)Really? You all thought you could keep oppressing anyone but rich, old white guys, and there wouldn't be any consequences? Oh, wait... mortgage crisis... Never mind.
allan01
(1,950 posts)With the war on women in full swing ,,, gee i wonder why. I love it when the repugs shoot themselves in the foot
GopperStopper2680
(397 posts)Boo hoo. How cruel, how cruel! I'm loving this, aren't you? They're like that big, fat bully in school that picked the fight with the little skinny kid who it turned out had been getting jujitsu lessons and got his ass royally handed to him then started crying and threatening to tell his daddy. Well the Goppers don't have a daddy to bail them out because they're all bastards. Rapidly being abandoned by the voters that were once their lifeline. As I keep saying, they keep taking more and more rope...Tying loops...
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)"As ye sow, so shall ye reap"
dynasaw
(998 posts)between their ears.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)when they thought they had a winning issue with Obama's "war on religion"? That didn't really pan out the way they imagined.
GopperStopper2680
(397 posts)You had better believe it isn't going to go away! You cannot tell people (or more accurately I should say PRESUME to tell people) what they do and do not have the right to do with their bodies and not expect there to be hue and cry! That is the most arrogant, narrowsighted, out of touch and self delusional thing that's come out of the GOP in quite a while-and that is truly saying something. The Goppers have really stepped in it this time. But they won't learn from it. They aren't capable of it. They keep taking rope and soon enough they'll hang themselves.
peace frog
(5,609 posts)nor can we allow them to hide from this. Shove it in their faces, make them defend it at every opportunity. Never let up, keep it coming and they will continue to lose voters by the hundreds of thousands.
GopperStopper2680
(397 posts)Yes you are exactly right. It is an unfortunate reality about human life that sometimes war is necessary-and this is a war. Some things do not go away without conflict-a good example was the Hitler problem in WWII. The only thing that could have solved it was war. Well, this isn't going away without a war either-and when you have the advantage in combat you have to press it home to the end. We have to keep fighting for the decency, dignity and freedom of humanity or we will loose those things to a greedy few who believe they can purchase righteousness. The Founding Fathers left us a legacy. They left us a system based on the virtues that make for a great country. We now have to see to it that those virtues remain valued for ever.
decrepittex
(53 posts)What happened to the 13 percent missing and what is wrong with the 36 percent who are still Republicans
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)shcrane71
(1,721 posts)national security. ugh... 1. Her advice assumes that Americans are idiots. 2. The voting public has a right to know about Santorum's no-birth-control/die-if-you-need-an-abortion-to-save-your-life beliefs.
sdfwefwe
(5 posts)LetTimmySmoke
(1,202 posts)Mission Accomplished.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Female voters are Democratic before Republican.
Male voters are Republican before Democratic.
ELECTION 2008
John McCain (R): 43% females; 48% males
Barack Obama (D): 56% females; 49% males
What I'm hoping for is that Obama gets at least 60 percent of females for 2012. Let the males shift Democratic as well, and let Obama win them over by at least 3 percentage points.
Imagine ...
ELECTION 2012
Mitt Romney (R): 39% females; 48% males
*Barack Obama (D): 60% females; 51% males
This would be an absolute landslide!